r/Conservative Conservative Oct 06 '22 Ally 1 Tree Hug 2 Silver 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1 Bravo! 1 I'll Drink to That 1 'MURICA 1 MURICA 1 Gold 1 Helpful 2 Wholesome 4

Biden pardoning all prior federal offenses of simple marijuana possession

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-pardoning-all-prior-federal-offenses-simple-marijuana-possession
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u/GargantuanCake Oct 06 '22 Take My Energy

Yeah I'm OK with this. Can we just legalize it already? Prohibition doesn't work.

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u/SKK329 Oct 06 '22

This also comes with attempting talks of reclassification. So it could be coming soon!

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u/theroyalbob Oct 07 '22

Reclassification is a huge farce though. There’s nothing about weed that’s more harmful than alcohol which is not a controlled substance. Treating weed like a drug that needs prescriptions or medical uses to be ok is just ridiculous

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u/heavymcd Oct 07 '22

While true, it would be a substantial step toward declassification. And it would have real-world impacts; there are a ton of people in “legal” states right now who still can’t touch it because their employer still tests, and it’s still Schefule I. Those people could get prescriptions if it was rescheduled.

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u/Behndo-Verbabe Oct 15 '22

It still negates 40+ years of research (outside the US) that proves everything republicans say about pot is a lie.

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u/truthindata Oct 07 '22

Prohibition indeed does not work. Not for drugs, alcohol, nor abortion...

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u/Agitated-Many Libertarian Conservative Oct 07 '22

And prostitution.

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u/Bruhtatochips23415 Oct 07 '22

I'll never understand people who want prohibition for these things

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u/imyournigerianprince Oct 07 '22

“I want you to follow rules of religion. Oh you aren’t my religion? I want my religion to control you anyway.”

I’ll never understand why the people who most loudly proclaim they are “freedom loving” are the most adamant that they should control what others can and cannot do.

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u/FurMyFetish Oct 07 '22

I'm not even conservative on most issues although I was raised in a conservative family so I do still have some of the values, reddit just reccommended this post to me. But I just wanted to say that I'm really impressed by the responses on this thread and especially yours. I fully agree. We want less government control? Well...

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u/pizzabyAlfredo Oct 07 '22

I’ll never understand why the people who most loudly proclaim they are “freedom loving” are the most adamant that they should control what others can and cannot do.

Control grants power and power inflates ego beyond the scale.

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u/Bleglord Oct 07 '22

Moral reconciliation differences.

Hardcore pro life stances doesn’t view abortion as immoral, they view abortion as murder and murder is immoral.

To convince a pro life person of abortion legality, you have to convince them it isn’t murder.

To convince a pro choice person of abortion illegality, you have to convince them it is murder.

This is why it will probably never be something people agree on regardless of how much you can present evidence or moral arguments of either side.

When you have different definitions of what sport you’re playing, of course you can’t agree on the rules of the game.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

The funny thing is both sides also have opposing views on Capital punishment. Pro life side is mostly for Capital Punishment whereas the Pro Choice is against it. Given some outsiders like myself I'm for Capital Punishment (Extreme Crimes only) and Pro Choice

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u/IndividualRub3165 Oct 21 '22

Why can't we agree that the best choice is the mothers. Thats what medical science says.

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u/Agitated-Many Libertarian Conservative Oct 07 '22

It’s better to legalize, regulate and tax these industries.

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u/NightmareMan502 Oct 19 '22

100% agree...look how many people died during the prohibition of alcohol and the past 80+ years with cannabis... Poor laws only create criminals

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u/Stonkseys Oct 07 '22

Let the markets decide!

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u/Captain-Insane-Oh Oct 07 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome Helpful (Pro) Timeless Beauty

Gotta say it’s pretty awesome to see how bi-partisan this post is. Gives me hope that we all might see eye to eye on more issues too one day!

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u/lastknownbuffalo Oct 07 '22 Silver Helpful (Pro)

Fucking weed... Bringing people together yet again

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u/Professional_Fish250 Oct 14 '22

I know people on both sides of the isle that smoke a ton of weed, I needs to be legalized and treated like alcohol

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u/orphenshadow Oct 07 '22

I hate the tribalism. The Media and Politicans are really good at finding the one or two issues that people don't agree on and building a cult around them.

I think if most people were to sit around a camp fire and just hash out their ideas we would find that we agree on most issues most of the time and then on most issues we don't agree on we can at least find common ground.

Not when we have some guy on the tv telling us we play for different teams though. :(

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u/VulkanL1v3s Oct 07 '22

A large, large volume of people who vote Repub are way more left-leaning than they realize, thanks to (as you said) media interference.

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u/KD9KNI Oct 12 '22

We have a media ecosystem where anything to the left of Mussolini is decried as "radical leftism" or "socialism". Those words really scare certain segments of the US poulation and serve to shut down much constructive dialog before it even starts. One can't help but to think it's purposefully done in order to push some agenda.

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u/FSUNole99 Oct 07 '22

You nailed it. I don't like or trust politicians in general, but I skew more left-leaning. I can say that without exception, even the most avid right wing people I know are good people and we have far more in common than the media (and subreddits) would have you believe.

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u/mostimprovedfrench98 Oct 07 '22

Yea. Honestly? I come here to look at the other side. I’m really not a conservative in anyway.

But reading these comments wanted me to give you rednecks a big hug.

I think it’s the first time in like 3 years I feel peace in the force.

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u/Captain-Insane-Oh Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

I’m similar, don’t really identify with republicans or democrats, but happen to share stances with each party on different issues.

I like to go between here and r/politics to see each sides points on different topics. If you can get past the “root for my team no matter what they do” sorta posturing and comments there’s a lot of great insights and opportunity to end up with a new perspective on issues.

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u/MastaFoo69 Oct 07 '22

Yeah, first real news (especially news related to Biden) that is not in echo-chamber mode here since Donnie lost the election, fair and square in 2020. Proud of you all.

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u/Captain-Insane-Oh Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 09 '22

Not sure if you meant “here” in a specific way, but all subs, especially the political ones are echo chambers. It’s kinda the point of having a sub in general right?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 Wholesome

I mean, he’s not wrong

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u/uionyx 1A Oct 06 '22

He’s not wrong. This is the right thing to do.

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u/earthscribe Oct 07 '22

It should have never been made illegal to begin with.

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u/3d_blunder Oct 07 '22

But it was, and it was overdue to be legalized. BIDEN took the move, not a Republican.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 Wholesome Are You Serious?

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u/Condor87 Oct 06 '22

Yeah, these are such baby steps...

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u/deusmilitus Oct 06 '22

And the pharma industry railing against it as hard as it does.

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u/chub_grub Oct 06 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Not just big pharma. The prison guards union actually lobbies to keep marijuana very illegal. It keeps the private prisons profitable for low-level drug offenses. I’m pretty conservative in most ways, but it makes no sense to fill prisons with people who smoke a plant and have us all pay for it.

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u/RG__Fooz Oct 07 '22

Not just big pharma and prison guard unions, but as a Wisconsinite I can assure you the tavern league (and all alcohol providers) lobby against it hard

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u/OilheadRider Oct 07 '22

Very true and, for good reason. That good reason is that, at least for myself and likely many other folks, if I can take a couple puffs I'm not interested in a drink. When I can't smoke however, I drink way too much.

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u/jexmex Conservative Oct 06 '22

Something like less than 10% of US prisons are private, but more criminals means the guards union is making their own bank off of it.

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u/chub_grub Oct 06 '22

Thanks for the percentage. Admittedly, i didn’t do full research on how many prisons are private vs. public. I didn’t realize the private prison percentage was that small. I’m actually in a union for skilled trades, and i think there are a good reasons for all unions, but the prison guards, and police unions have abused the power of collective bargaining the same way the UAW did in Detroit back in the day. As a union guy i hate few groups as much as groups abusing the union system.

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u/KryoTronic Oct 06 '22

Pharma is making a killing in PA atm since only medicinal is legal. But yeah... God I hate corpos lol

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u/PAINKILLER_1020 Oct 06 '22

Why didn't Trump do it you think?

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u/calmdownmyguy Oct 06 '22

It's still controversial among evangelicals and without total support of evangelicals trump's candidacy is not viable.

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u/Thepatrone36 Oct 07 '22

Actually one of the most short sighted oversights of his short political career. Had he pushed for it he'd still be sitting in the White House. There's enough people out there in favor of it that it would have swung the vote his way. 'four more years of this clown but I don't have to worry about smoking a big fattie on my back porch.. worth it'

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u/Nikkolios 2A Conservative Oct 06 '22

Agreed. This is one place where I feel like a vast majority of people just don't care anymore. As long as it is simply possession, and no violent behavior, who gives a shit?

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u/erieus_wolf Oct 06 '22

Evangelicals. THAT is who gives a shit. They are very much against it.

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u/NowSoldHere Oct 07 '22

And the pharmaceutical companies.

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u/kdeaton06 Oct 07 '22

And alcohol companies. And tobacco companies. And a huge chunk of the conservative voter base.

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u/sirharryflashman Fiscal Conservative Oct 06 '22

Good, it is a waste of taxes to imprison people for simple possession.

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u/justcallmezach Oct 07 '22

South Dakota would like to have a word. We DID put it on a ballot and then our governor pulled a Hail Mary that we still can't believe stuck to overturn the will of the people.

If I had a nickel for every time Noem blatantly overturned something approved at the ballot by a majority of the people of South Dakota, I'd have 10 cents, which isn't a lot, but still pretty sad it has happened twice.

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u/Dignifiedgiraffe Oct 07 '22

Is this not a pretty good indication that your leadership doesn’t believe in democracy?

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u/Hans350 Oct 07 '22

Haha what TV show was that line at the end from?

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u/kay-sera_sera Oct 07 '22

Phineas and Ferb. They did a whole episode with that gag. "Hm, I guess you could buy like a candy bar with that?"

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u/AdvisorAmazing9197 Oct 07 '22

True, and prohibition has never been effective. Weed was easier to get than alcohol as a teenager.

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u/gdjkmvcgkk Oct 07 '22 Stonks Rising

They haven’t

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u/bigleafychode Oct 07 '22 Silver

Then why do we have conservatives acting like this is some bipartisan reach across the aisle thing when they did squat?

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u/Astrosaurus42 Oct 07 '22 Wholesome

Same with the Build Back Better legislation. Republicans run home and tell them all the great things that are coming to their State that they didn't vote for lol

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u/Seamus_A_McMurphy Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

"Republicans run home and tell them all the great things that are coming to their State that they didn't vote for lol"

And the oblivious RWNJ's lapped it up.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 Tree Hug

Having it re-scheduled as a lower schedule would be ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE! I’ll give credit to Biden, this is the right thing to do and it’s overdue.

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u/Roly_Cannoli Oct 07 '22

Schedule 6 would be the correct classification for it. That would put it in the same classification as alcohol, meaning it would be available without a prescription but would still be subject to some degree of oversight.

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u/apadin1 Oct 07 '22

There’s only five schedules. Alcohol is unscheduled and I agree that cannabis should be the same

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u/JigglyStuft Oct 07 '22

Some states have schedule six for prescription meds; it covers all prescriptions that aren’t on schedules 1-5.

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u/Throwaway__shmoe Libertarian Oct 07 '22

Schedule 6?

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u/pumpkin_spice_enema Oct 07 '22

I think our friend means "unscheduled". Creating 6 for this would be odd.

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u/ConditionalDew Oct 06 '22

Finally. Another step of the government interfering less with our lives. Good job Joe

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u/PlagueWheels Oct 06 '22

Yeah, I have to agree. It's time to end this stupidity. The amount of money and resources that have been spent on this is ridiculous. I don't use drugs or alcohol but I say legalize, regulate, and locally tax.

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u/DrivenDevotee Oct 07 '22

keep an eye on the private prisons donations this election season, and compare that list with the states that refuse their own decriminalization.

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u/IntravenusDeMilo Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Small government Joe Biden? I used to be a Republican long ago (I no longer claim a party) - but it’s generally become the case that Democrats have been the better choice in reducing government involvement in our lives when it comes to privacy. In law school, Originalism made a lot of sense to me, but what got me off of it is how the founding fathers fucked up and didn’t enumerate a fundamental right to privacy. It would have returned so many rights to the individual.

Still, this is good stuff and hopefully, maybe, a place where we can start drifting back from the extremes.

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u/chaamp33 Oct 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I don’t understand claiming to be for less government overreach while championing abortion restrictions

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u/Equivalent_Nature_67 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 Helpful

They want less government to tax them and stop telling them they can't dump sludge into lakes, but more government to oppress the groups they dislike. At its core, it's literally just this.

Reagan and Nixon made sure of this

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u/evil-poptart Oct 07 '22

Oh my god am I really in r/conservative? Holy shit. Spot on but holy shit.

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u/Equivalent_Nature_67 Oct 07 '22

Big posts like this where there is openly no valid conservative take on it will get threads like this. People not from here posting based takes and the bots on here not engaging in it at all 🤣

It's only free reign til they start a flair only propaganda chamber about some bs culture war thing like CRT or trans rights 😂

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u/IntravenusDeMilo Oct 07 '22

The interesting part is, I’m getting taxed either way, and even when there have been Republican tax cuts they’ve found a way to take the same money out of a different pocket. In practice, there is no such thing as fiscal conservatism. It’s just a talking point to be trotted out when the other guys are doing something you don’t like. The Republican Party is all about spite these days.

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u/Equivalent_Nature_67 Oct 07 '22

Yes you are absolutely correct. If this were a smaller thread we would would both get promptly ejected from it.

Ultimately, if the pocket being picked is ours and not a billionaire oligarch, the party has achieved basically its single goal of funneling wealth into the hands of the few.

Fiscal conservatism is a convenient lie we tell ourselves.

What it means is that they will in fact do the opposite and dramatically increase the bloat spend, but beat their chests loudly about squeezing a few drops of blood from stones we enjoy called education, the climate, social security etc

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u/IntravenusDeMilo Oct 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Medical decisions are a privacy issue. I totally agree, it makes no sense to be against government overreach but all for abortion restrictions. Fwiw I’m very much pro choice.

At some point, the Republican Party became the party of religious conservatism, and if you look really hard, they also haven’t been the party of small government for a really long time.

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u/chaamp33 Oct 07 '22

There are literally members of the party who are very open that they want a Christian theocracy and the church should guide the state. I am conservative in most views but I cannot in good faith support that

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u/tilfordkage Conservative Oct 06 '22

This is something I can get behind actually.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 Take My Energy

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 Starry

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u/MegaSeedsInYourBum Oct 07 '22 Helpful (Pro)

The media definitely works to keep it that way.

It tries to make people tribal so they will vote against their own best interests. Your allegiance is to your country and your countrymen, not blindly to a political party.

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u/xRiske Oct 07 '22

Sounds like Mitch McConnell

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Good work. I don't want my tax dollars keeping innocent people locked up.

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u/Comprehensive_Ad433 Oct 06 '22

Yeah but let's make it federally legal too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

No disagreements here.

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u/Talking_Head Oct 06 '22

That’s the point of rescheduling. Of course every state will be free to regulate it so it won’t be legal everywhere.

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u/triggoon Oct 07 '22

Good. I’ve always felt the US really is odd how it lets some drugs not be stringently controlled while others have huge restrictions even if they are minor. Hopefully we can get a more sensible system in place.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22 Bravo Grande!

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u/ridukosennin Oct 07 '22

Dank Brandon

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u/EWall100 Oct 07 '22

Also Dab Brandon

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u/jpfeif29 Moderate Conservative Oct 06 '22

Im down.

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u/wilson1474 Oct 07 '22

Legalize it already...

Our world up in Canada didn't explode!

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u/jthizz77 Oct 06 '22 Helpful (Pro)

Legalize it completely! Brandon got this one right

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u/Matt8992 Oct 06 '22

Dank Brandon about to puff puff pass this legislation.

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u/Recurringg Oct 07 '22

So that's how dark Brandon got the red eyes!

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u/TiredTim23 Oct 06 '22 Glow Up

Let’s go Brandon! But I mean it in a positive way this time.

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u/book-reading-hippie Oct 07 '22

Lets grow brandon!

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u/DarthVegeta51 Oct 07 '22

Only time I've ever actually agreed with the let's go Brandon movement

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u/TiredTim23 Oct 07 '22 Helpful

Today, we’re all Brandon fans.

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u/Gesno Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I never understood why Trump never had a policy for the legalization of Marijuana. Why should we be paying for some to stay in prison over some weed. Potentially ruining their lives. It's a great source of tax revenue. Less federal government oversight. Also I think a lot of people who don't vote or are more in the center who vote for Trump just because of it. *atleast let the states decide I see no down side. (I am a stoner to be transparent)

*edit word change due to autocorrect.

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u/NoBongShouldLag Oct 06 '22

The trump admin not only did nothing but they removed funding and protections for states that had it legalized.

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u/CSGOSucksMajorDick Oct 07 '22

And they rescinded the Cole Memo. And Jeff Sessions said marijuana is only "slightly less harmful than heroin." Pathetic.

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u/FretNoise14 2A Oct 06 '22

This is such a slam dunk issue, I can’t wrap my head around why neither political party has taken advantage of it.

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u/Gesno Oct 06 '22

Big phrama

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u/Cultural_Yam7212 Oct 06 '22

And for profit prisons

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u/Playmaker23 Oct 06 '22

and boomers too. That is the most reliable voter base and they have been so heavily indoctrinated by Reefer Madness and Nixon & Reagan's war on drugs

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u/Long_Antelope_1400 Oct 06 '22

Yup, and the churches. That's what stopped it here in NZ.

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u/bloohoobelle Oct 06 '22

Also just regular prisons. They bring jobs to rural places while upping the numbers for representation and tax money. More people in prison means those imprisoned people count toward the population of tinytown, WI, but (and this is key) they can't vote. There are many reasons locking more people up sounds good to GOP leaders and their donors. I don't think Dems are great on this issue either, but rural areas are not usually going for them.

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u/theroyalbob Oct 07 '22

It’s actually really insidious because the way apportionment works is that prisoners are considered residence of the place where they are imprisoned but they are not allowed to vote so these rural areas get larger population, but the same voting population so the political power of these prison areas is magnified. This is on top of, and in addition to and considerably less just than what our liberal friends talk about with rural states and the Senate. I don’t know how you solve it but it’s clearly undemocratic.

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u/PlagueWheels Oct 06 '22

and mindless tradition.

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u/NoStepOnMe Oct 06 '22

ALL prisons are for profit. One way or another.

Whether public or private, there are $Billions at stake for salaries, overtime, unions, contractors, food suppliers, uniform vendors, software, hardware, maintenance, janitorial services, money money money everywhere.

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u/barrelvoyage410 Oct 07 '22

Yeah basically everything is just contract work, so even if the building is state owned, all the operations are basically for profit.

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u/Bigdaddyjlove1 Oct 06 '22

And the alchohol/tobacco lobbies

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u/Unbannable6905 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Few reasons;

Political parties are filled with old fucks who still literally think it's the devil's lettuce.

Lots of them are already invested in the industry and don't want it "too legal" to interfere with their profits

Unfortunately a lot of legalization bills have other shit bundled with them

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u/BlueEyedRage Oct 06 '22

Unfortunately a lot of legalization bills have other shit bundled with them

That's literally every bill, and it drives me crazy. It's something all Republicans and Democrats complain about, but nothing is ever done about it.

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u/Imoutdawgs Oct 06 '22

There’s some people making A LOT of money keeping it illegal.

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u/Akveritas0842 Oct 06 '22

Old people and religious people hate it. And congress is full of old people.

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u/PlagueWheels Oct 06 '22

Strangely the dispensary in my state, I don't use it often but I had to visit one for novelty, is literally full of elderly people.

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u/Barragin Oct 06 '22

Because old people hurt, and it does help with pain and inflammation.

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u/Akveritas0842 Oct 06 '22

Mine is pretty mixed, I hate the stuff but the wife is on the devils lettuce. I see a pretty even spread of age when we stop by.

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u/PlagueWheels Oct 06 '22

To be fair I live in a rural farming community. I think they love it because they get some relief and they don't have to make long expensive trips to the dr.

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u/HotSauce1221 Oct 06 '22

Big pharma, police unions, alcohol sellers, and private prisons.

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u/StringerJazz Oct 07 '22

Trump having a policy on something lmfao

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper Oct 07 '22

I never understood why Trump never had a policy for the legalization of Marijuana.

It's because Trump is not your friend and doesn't want what you want.

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u/dowboiz Oct 06 '22

I see you still believe Trump cares about any of this lmao

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u/DieterVawnCunth Oct 06 '22

I would guess because it's not an issue that Trump personally cares about and it's not something the Republican party fully supports.

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u/UnprofessionalGhosts Oct 06 '22

Because Trump wasn’t a good leader and, at the state level, a lot of you keep voting against your best interest and are years behind other states on this and numerous other matters you claim are important to you🤷‍♀️

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u/Whyamiherewtflmaoidc Oct 06 '22

Finally a step in the right direction

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u/Rumpdohg Oct 06 '22

The comments are super encouraging in here for once!

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u/closethebarn Oct 07 '22

I couldn’t believe it was in r/ conservative. This is fantastic!

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u/iuytrefdgh436yujhe2 Oct 07 '22

They didn't go 'flaired users only' for this one

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u/earwaxfaucet Oct 07 '22

I wish they had, I'm genuinely interested in hearing their opinions/point of view specifically on this topic. We are one nation and I think it's important to understand different sides of topics even if we don't always agree.

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u/KrimsonStorm DeSantis Conservative Oct 07 '22

I'm rather conservative. I know amongst left wingers I'm super duper evil far right but among right wing circles I'm pretty middle of the road right.

I'm happy with it. I have no intention to smoke, but I believe that if we allow alcohol then something that is just as dangerous should also be legal. And alcohol isn't very dangerous. Like obviously don't let children smoke it, the same as don't let little kids drink.

There's also the founding principles of the republic being liberty (ordered freedom) and personal responsibility. Don't abuse pot and then there's nothing wrong with it.

Plus, I mean FFS we allow cigarettes. Again because of the above principle, so I don't see a problem with allowing it.

There's a lot of conservatives in here for it. Massively so. It's a tiny minority against legalizing it these days.

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u/earwaxfaucet Oct 07 '22

Thanks for the response!

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u/georgesDenizot Constitutional Conservative Oct 07 '22

Trump made a historical mistake not doing this a month before the 2020 election.

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u/KrimsonStorm DeSantis Conservative Oct 07 '22

Trump under delivered a lot TBH

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u/rinkusonic Oct 07 '22

I think he should have pardoned Snowden too. Whatever the consequences.

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u/BananaRamaBam Oct 06 '22

Credit where it is due. I think all of the more libertarian conservatives are on board with this. I'm still just waiting for real legalization already

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u/After-Cold-4689 Oct 07 '22

Anyone who has an issue with this fucking sucks…

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u/0ctologist Oct 07 '22

You mean like every single politician this sub supports?

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

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u/Dutchtdk Small Government Oct 06 '22

I can't be sure ofcourse, but I believe the comment section isn't going the way OP intended

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u/DarthVegeta51 Oct 07 '22

Only thing we libs and you conservatives can agree on

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u/Commodore-2064 Oct 07 '22 Starstruck

That and the time Obama called Kanye a jackass.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=078BGtKNL1o

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u/DarthVegeta51 Oct 07 '22

Fair point good sir

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u/twig_and_berries_ Oct 07 '22

I forgot about that. Good times

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u/therealcnn Oct 07 '22

I love that afterward, he remembers he’s the President, and that he’s supposed to be more professional about it.

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u/BDSF94 Blue State Conservative Oct 06 '22

I’m all for that, legalize it federally. It’s a great tax revenue.

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u/Tiaan Oct 06 '22 Helpful

The disconnect is between conservative voters and republican politicians. Most conservatives are in favor of cannabis reform, most republican politicians are not.

Nancy Mace (R-SC) is one of the few pro-cannabis reform republicans in congress and she made a great statement on this. She said that she polled the reddest parts of her district and found the vast majority were in favor of cannabis reform. She urges her fellow colleagues to do the same and hear it directly from their constituents.

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u/Cheap_Amphibian309 Oct 06 '22

Listen to constituents? Psh, fucking loser lol

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u/mgj6818 Oct 07 '22

There have been zero consequences for not listening, why start now?

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u/erieus_wolf Oct 06 '22

Evangelicals are the biggest voting base for conservatives, and the majority of them are definitely NOT in favor of cannabis reform.

There is a reason only blue states have legalized the recreational use. The pearl clutching, church grandma who always votes red would never support it.

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u/dzlux Oct 07 '22

only blue states have legalized the recreational use

Because a 60% ‘red’ state would never vote recreational and have it fought by their governor. That would be crazy. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1058884032/south-dakotas-supreme-court-rules-against-legalization-of-recreational-marijuana

But South Dakota is not alone, as Mississippi with their 60% lean towards Trump found their medical legalization also overturned. https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdeangelo/2021/06/02/needless-suffering-and-death-in-mississippi/

Independent polls have clearly shown that most republicans, democrats, and independents support legalization. There is no good reason why federal legalization has not yet happened.

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u/okay-wait-wut Oct 07 '22

Don’t forget about Utah. Medical use was neutered by the state legislature the day it went into effect. Republican lawmakers nationwide actively working against the wishes of their constituents on this issue.

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u/gustopherus Oct 07 '22

That's because they are actively working FOR their biggest doners, the will of the people is always disregarded for profit.

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u/smiddy53 Oct 06 '22

you would be surprised at how many god botherer's suddenly change their tune when the criminal repercussions are non-existent; it takes all the churches control away and lets them decide for themselves, and also lets DOCTORS recommend the medicinal variations. Once the little 'god grannies' realise they'll be able to pop down the road to a fuel station or general store and pick up some CBD potato crisps (marijuana doesn't HAVE to be SMOKED anymore) to fix their immediate problem, the church 'problem' will vanish.

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u/fettucchini Oct 07 '22

I feel like the issue is more there are staunch stubborn groups of conservatives. You have three main general branches, fiscal, social, and political. Fiscal and political generally want smaller government, less spending, and less regulation. They may go about in different ways, but its generally along the same path.

Then you have social conservatives. They don’t care about fiscal or government policy, they only care about protecting their personal values. These definitive driving issues are what cracks the conservative voting base. A liberal can get away with a middle of the road stance. But if a conservative breaks “party line” on an issue they can be blacklisted, both by the party and by a huge portion of their voter base

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u/WSDGuy Oct 06 '22

United? There's a limitless number of issues to have a position on, and two (maybe as many as four) ways to align yourself in American politics. We're not going to agree on everything - and it'd be a shame if we did.

Edit: To expand on that, if a person finds that they (as an individual) agree with literally every part of a party's platform, they should take a long, hard look at their beliefs.

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u/BanMeHarderDaddyxx Oct 07 '22 Silver

American politics essentially gets boiled down to voting on which of two sides you believe to be the lesser evil. It isn’t an accident, it’s a system that’s been manipulated and defiled over many decades to keep power centralized in the hands of a small in-group who believe themselves to be our masters. Outsiders who somehow find themselves inside that in-group are made (or sometimes are more than happy to) tow the line, whether through bribes or threats- specifically threats against their power/influence- or some combination of both.

Sometimes you get outsiders hell-bent on bucking the system like AOC or Sanders who manage to maintain influence anyway but their influence is minor because they don’t have the backing of the party power structure.

We don’t have a true social democrat platform in America, because that runs contrary to the established power structure that the people with the money want to keep in place. We also thank the gods, don’t (yet) have a true fascist platform because that would be the redline that divides the nation irrevocably.

So we get to choose between the corporatists that want to appeal to the side of America that loves Jesus and distrusts minorities or the corporatists that want to appeal to the side of America that values equality and bodily sovereignty above all else.

It’s all a show and in the end it doesn’t really matter because the pendulum will perpetually swing back and forth, while the people who own us laugh from their yachts.

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u/lonely_hero Oct 07 '22

Whoa. Seeing this much Biden praise on this subreddit is making me whoozy. I'm gonna go smoke a joe-int biden.

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u/TheSeventhWon Oct 07 '22

About time! More free Americans?? Hell yeah

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u/ambearlino Conservative Oct 06 '22

I dont like Biden, but this is a good thing hes doing.

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u/PEneoark Oct 06 '22

Good. It's a fucking plant.

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u/eked-1213 Oct 06 '22

Ok now go a step farther…remove weed from the schedule list, release everyone sitting in a cage right now on weed charges

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u/Dat_Boi_Aint_Right Oct 06 '22

The rescheduling is also something he directed the gov to start.

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u/BTK-LOL Oct 06 '22

I can’t understand why there would ever be federal prison for simple possession of weed. Just unfathomable.

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u/Almost_Comprehensive Oct 07 '22

Because who uses marijuana and who doesn't? An aid to Nixon admitted 30 years ago the war on drugs was ramped up as a tool to suppress anti war and civil rights protestors.

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u/mapinis Oct 07 '22

And minorities, but a lot of people here aren’t ready to have that conversation yet.

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u/TheBagelBearer Oct 07 '22

A significant majority aren't ready to hear that conversation through a wall, let alone engage with it

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u/MastaFoo69 Oct 07 '22

could not be more right there

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u/tingly_bits Oct 06 '22

Because of the "war on drugs" scare mongering bullshit in the 80s.

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u/Sicks-Six-Seks Converted Liberal Oct 07 '22

The “War on Drugs” is much, much older than that.

The Alcohol Prohibition era in the US, was a war on drugs.

It makes lots of money, for both sides. Criminal and Police.

It always inevitably fails.

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u/StarWarsChristian Oct 07 '22

I don't understand this either. If it is illegal and simple possession, just give them a ticket or something. What really makes me mad about stuff like this is simple possession gets them federal time but the guy who tried to kidnap my daughter only got 2 years. I just don't get it.

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u/Ajkrouse Oct 07 '22

Imagine if President Trump had done this. Huge political win for President Biden. Legacy secured.

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u/FarCenterExtremist Oct 07 '22

Just out of curiosity, how many people is this?

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u/KMCobra64 Oct 07 '22

I believe I read somewhere it's about 6,500 people.

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u/tms358 Oct 06 '22

I can actually get behind this

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

How many clocks before him failed?

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u/NinjaNard_ Conservative Oct 06 '22

Not a bad thing, good move for his ratings even if that is what the admin is looking for.

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u/SunAstora Oct 07 '22

I’m all for moves that score political points if it’s something that improves quality of life and grants more freedoms with no downsides.

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u/smrtrthnuravgbr Oct 06 '22

Something I can finally appreciate.

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u/openwindowrain Oct 07 '22

Liberal here. Gotta say it’s heartening to see this thread and find common ground. The other big thing that I’ve seen here is a detest of career politicians (both sides of the aisle) that don’t give a flying f*** about actual Americans. A lot of the polarization is manufactured. True, we’re going to disagree on some fundamental aspects of our country. But I think there’s no denying that we’re equally fed up with the people (and money supporting those people) running our country. I’m a Californian, so for the record on this sub, f*** Pelosi and Newsom. Peace y’all. I love this country despite its faults and will bleed red and white and blue to make this country live up to its ideals.

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u/TooDenseForXray Oct 07 '22

I am not from the US, it is good to see that this matter seem to be agreed on both side.

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u/hex5912 Oct 07 '22

So, as a liberal who just stumbled across this thread on the main page, I want to ask to my conservative counterparts: if there was such universal agreement on this issue as this thread seems to suggest, why on earth did it take so long?

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