r/PublicFreakout Sep 18 '22 Hugz 1 Facepalm 1

Carriage horses are worked to deadly levels of exhaustion everyday and then packed into concrete facilities overnight so tightly they can’t even move or lie down. Non-Freakout

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u/ArachnomancerCarice Sep 18 '22

Horse carriage rides in cities like this needs to be banned outright. There is no way that a horse can be safe and healthy while working in a heavily urbanized area. Even with the best hoof care you can get, the pavement is still not good for them to walk on. All the air pollution, the stress from traffic and large crowds and the heat is unavoidable. And unless you are taking them out to some bigger stables and small pastures somewhere, they are likely to be crammed into tiny stables somewhere that is still IN the city.

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u/alannwatts Sep 19 '22

after decades of Caleche rides in Montreal the mayor finally banned them a couple of years back, boiling hot in the summer freezing in the winter, and nights in tiny damp stalls, every few years one would collapse and die on the streets...

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u/samsedar Sep 19 '22

Jesus thats fucking awful, good news it's banned.

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u/Red_Carrot Sep 19 '22

Well trained horses do not care about cars or people. They dislike being randomly touched but the worker should prevent that. I agree with pollution being an issue but that should be for humans as well. The heat for me is the biggest factors, cities get hot (adding humidity as a factor) and that should be one of the major factors if a horse can work.

I also agree about time out of the city. There should be laws to require standards of care in every city.

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u/Mabans Sep 19 '22

Well trained horses normally aren't found in places like NEW YORK CITY!

As a former resident, it's bullshit and unneccessary.

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u/dexmonic Sep 19 '22

Somehow I doubt even a small portion of these horses deserve the training they need to get, so I don't think it's fair to just hand wave the cars and people like they aren't a problem for most horses. Not to mention the conditions they live in otherwise, making a point about whether well trained horses can handle it or not seems trivial.

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u/StuStutterKing Sep 19 '22

Well trained horses are trained to not react, but it's insane to assume that the high levels of foot traffic, extremely dangerous and scary giant boxes moving at insanely high speeds next to them, and the extreme heat cities can reach does not impact them.

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u/13what Sep 18 '22

People looked so ugly when they have no compassion over animal. It say a lot about a person really

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u/Raizzor Sep 18 '22

I think having zero compassion for horses is a necessity to work as a downtown carriage driver.

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u/RScalcione93 Sep 18 '22

“Why do you think you’re a good fit for this job?”

“Well, I hate horses.”

“You’re hired!”

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u/Minimum-Truth-6554 Sep 18 '22

Well you gotta take care of your horse if he’s your source of income. You cant just have zero compassion and treat him like you do with a car

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u/RegretfulUsername Sep 19 '22

Even a car has to be cared for properly.

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u/Yagsirevahs Sep 19 '22

Like the Amish, they are treated as disposable tools.

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u/Lo8000 Sep 18 '22

Amidst all that noise, fast moving traffic and dirt is not the right place for a horse.

But I can't hide my suspicion that this horse is just playing.

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u/-Youdont_knowme- Sep 18 '22

This on so many levels.

The help my dog has provided me during the most trying times in my life, we just don't deserve that love and loyalty IMO

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u/TheNewGirl_ Sep 18 '22

Society doesnt have compassion for most humans, have you seen how poor people are treated ? why would you expct it to have compassion for animals ???

Our socity doesnt give 2 shits about animal abuse or cruelty - it only cares that you dont do such things publicly in view of others

Dont think that trues , go visit a factory farm

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u/WockItOut Sep 18 '22

Its kinda weird and a little funny that when we see vegan activists passionate about animal rights that we mock them and find it amusing to mock them. But then we see something like this and suddenly everyone cares when they don't actually have to do anything.

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u/RealDumbRepublican Sep 18 '22

There is a big difference in feeling compassion for an overworked horse and some dipshit who throws paint on you because you're eating salmon or chicken at a restaurant.

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u/RicePsychological512 Sep 18 '22

Do you get paint thrown on you? I have never seen that in real life; just in a couple of news anecdotes, and it was about fur.

And the compassion is for the salmon or chickens, not the vegans.

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u/MelkToast Sep 18 '22

It's also hypocritical for non-vegans to morally value this overworked horse over the countless animals that provided them meat and the millions of factory-farmed animals.

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u/ballsackchaser Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Its not hypocritical to care about animals, and still choose to eat meat for health, convenience, or hundreds of other reasons why one might choose to do so.

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u/Sinful_Whiskers Sep 18 '22

The health argument doesn't stand because eating a proper vegan diet is perfectly healthy.

Also, are you arguing that it's okay to kill an animal just because it's "convenient?" That's some pretty sick logic. If that's the case, there is nothing wrong with abusing this horse for profit. After all, it sure is convenient, right?

I argue it's impossible for you to truly "care about animals" while still supporting their continued suffering and slaughter just so you can satisfy your taste buds for a few minutes.

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u/soggylilbat Sep 19 '22

Well here’s an example for the health argument. Some people, like myself have digestive disorders. My body can’t digest a lot a produce. Which sucks, I love veggies and fruit so much.

But I still deeply care about my impact, and try to have as many plant based meals as I can in a week. I do what I can

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u/Sinful_Whiskers Sep 19 '22

If you truly do have said digestive disorder than you are in the minority. The vast, vast majority of people would be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet.

No reasonable vegan expects every single person to go vegan and ignore legitimate medical complications. But far too often, people make up excuses, without evidence, of why they're the exception.

The point is that we need to be moving towards a society where the vast majority of people are vegan. Animal ethics and welfare is the top reason, but even if you don't give two shits about billions of animals suffering every year, we simply have to change because we cannot combat climate change and still continue to eat anywhere near as much meat as we do. It's just not sustainable.

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u/RealDumbRepublican Sep 19 '22

I feel like vegans like you essentially see yourselves as morally superior and use extreme edge cases to point out why eating animals is so horrible. The reality you don't seem to understand is that all animals eat other animals. If they didn't there would be a huge fucking problem on this planet and you likely wouldn't be sitting around typing comments on the Internet.

For whatever reason you want to believe that the only animal on Earth that shouldn't eat other animals is the animal at the top of the pyramid. Not only is that an idiotic view it clearly makes no sense. The only way people such as yourself reconcile this is by saying that humans are "special" animals with complex thinking and the capacity to use "morals" in sorting our their behaviors and that these morals should cover dietary needs.

Meanwhile the rest of us are not ashamed of being humans or being able to eat other animals and are more than happy to live our lives doing so. You might as well go out and preach to a lion why they need to change from chasing down fearful gazelle and being kind and caring to them and instead eat some foliage and berries. The result of your efforts will be the same, although at least with humans, our moral values will at least let us laugh at you instead of eat you.

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u/MelkToast Sep 18 '22

Horses are factory farmed for meat as well, usually picking and choosing what animal is acceptable to eat or abuse for gain comes from culture and not from a moral level. If for any reason you have health concerns over being vegan obviously it's not hypocritical to value your health over animals but the vast majority of vegans aren't at a health risk. You can care about animals and still eat meat but you value your enjoyment of meat and the convenience over your care for animals. I would love to hear the other hundreds of other reasons besides convenience and pleasure to not become vegan. Im not vegan but im not going to pretend that horse has a greater value and claim to life than other animals we willingly torture.

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u/Randa08 Sep 19 '22

Because you can't see the horrific conditions your chickens are raised in before slaughtered? Or the filthy fish farm you salmon comes from. If you can't see it, it didn't happen right?

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 18 '22 Gold

I know I’m gonna be that guy, but it needs to be said, billions of animals are treated way worse than this every single day because people choose to support the meat and dairy industry

Just because someone isn’t doing it directly, you’re still paying someone else to do it for you

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 18 '22

Hate to break to you humans are exploited so you can have the life you live. The roads you drive on, the buildings you live in , the vegetables / fruit you eat, the internet, everything was built by a human being. Most are over worked and underpaid just because your not doing it directly, you still paying someone else to do it for you.

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u/m0c0 Sep 19 '22

"People need to be passionate and conscientious of the impact their lives have on other beings!"

-sent from my iPhone 13 Pro with new and improved slave camp made components

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

I don’t understand the point you’re making? Since humans are exploited we might as well treat animals like shit? Come on man…

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

Ya cause that what im saying/s because i must want everybody and everything to be exploited because i point out no one can live with exploiting something.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

That is what you’re saying though, otherwise what’s the point?

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

No pointing out how the system works doesn't mean i like it. If you think you can change it by all means give it a go.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

… yeah, I’m doing my best to change it by not supporting it and encouraging others to do the same. Then you came in and said something completely unrelated about how everyone is exploited

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

If you want animals not to be exploited we need to start at the source people. If they will exploit a fellow human they will see animals as lower and deserve no compassion.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

Lmao no. Why are you making this more difficult than it needs to be? I don’t want animals to be exploited so I’m not going to pay people to exploit them. There, see how easy that was? NOW we can focus on the other issues

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u/guymcool Sep 19 '22

That isn’t right either and if anyone’s pretending it is they’re a sociopath.

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

Welcome to the world we live in.

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u/guymcool Sep 19 '22

Ahh yes we should just accept all bad things and there nothing we can do about it. Spoken like a true corpse.

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

I love how someone explaining how the world is means i condone it.

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u/guymcool Sep 19 '22

Hate to break it you to but your explaining it to no one. Everyone knows and everyone knows it’s bad. Simple concept.

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

You keep talking but say nothing.

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u/guymcool Sep 19 '22

You keep talking but saying nothing.

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u/Spadeykins Sep 18 '22

Right and it's wrong.

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u/everyonewants2Bmee Sep 19 '22

The subject here is animals, stop deflecting

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u/arcspectre17 Sep 19 '22

Ya cause humans are not animals.

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u/AntiBeyonder Sep 26 '22

Tu Quoque fallacy, and people aren't being killed and eaten for unnecessary reasons.

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u/KatastrophicNoodle Sep 19 '22

And going vegan doesn't help one bit!

The best way is to research the products you're buying and make sure they come from an ethical source.

They listen to money, not protests.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

Lmao man I hope you’re joking otherwise this is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen

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u/KatastrophicNoodle Sep 19 '22

It's literally true. Pouring milk on the floor only makes y'all look crazy, but if you spend your money on a rival company and convince others to do so, they'll suddenly start caring once they lose revenue.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 19 '22

they’ll suddenly start caring once they lose revenue.

Wow dude it’s almost like not eating meat means you’re not giving them money and they lose revenue. Crazy concept, I know

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

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u/KatastrophicNoodle Sep 19 '22

My proof is that all scummy companies only care about money. If taking care of the animals they use makes them more money then suddenly they'll start caring.

There's a reason there's way less "caged hen" produce on the shelves. Only people buying caged hen stuff are people who don't care and poor people. A minority but enough to be profitable. Perhaps when the minimum wage rises to a normal human amount for once, caged hens will be obsolete.

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u/land345 Sep 19 '22

Have you ever actually seen a picture of a "free range" chicken farm? The chickens are actually packed just as tightly, but will now have the added bonus of pecking and trampling one another leading to widespread injury and disease.

Or have you ever wondered how all egg farms accumulate such a large number of hens when an egg has an equal chance of hatching a male that can't be raised for meat? The answer is they separate the male chicks after hatching and feed them into an industrial shredder.

Even Fairlife, a dairy company that was marketed as having the most ethical treatment of their animals, was recently outed as beating and abusing their cows. Which was basically a miracle that it came to light considering it is literally illegal for a person to record the conditions within a factory farm.

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u/OldFatherTime Sep 19 '22 edited Sep 19 '22

And going vegan doesn't help one bit!

The best way is to research the products you're buying and make sure they come from an ethical source.

They listen to money, not protests.

Factually incorrect, this is just downplaying the efforts of others to feel better about not making an effort oneself. Very odd that you emphasize the importance of voting with one's wallet when veganism inherently entails abstaining from the purchase of animal products, as if to insinuate that vegans continue eating animal products while opting only for (ostensibly) performative measures like protest. The math has already been done, and adopting a predominantly plant-based diet is the single-most effective way for an individual to attenuate animal suffering over the course of one's lifetime, far more than any self-deluding "ethical" sourcing.

Proponents of the latter never actually walk the walk regardless, as you'll never see an "ethical pasture-raised grass-fed/finished meat eater/hunter" bothering to abstain completely from assuredly and near-universally cruelty-complicit options provided by restaurants, social events, most dairy products, fast food, and so forth. Nor do they bother to investigate the veracity of claims of "humane" farming, which is especially pertinent when upwards of 90% of animals come from intensive farms and such claims are poorly regulated, if at all (see: "free-range" chickens). Nor do they particularly care about the fact that "humane" farming is vastly less efficient than the aforementioned factory farms, with environmentally unsustainable degrees of land and water usage. Nor do they grant consideration to the sea animals they eat, for whom no humanewashing is bothered with. Nor can they be bothered to abstain from non-dietary animal products such as leather or vanity products derived from similarly cruel practices.

In the face of a blatant lie:

And going vegan doesn't help one bit!

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u/ArcadianMess Sep 19 '22

Yeha but if not for the food industry billions wouldn't exist first of all. Second we don't eat horses that pull carriages....

So false equivalence.

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u/TikTrd Sep 18 '22

It's a very misleading title. The horse had a deadly brain infection, it didn't die of exhaustion

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u/RealDumbRepublican Sep 18 '22

The horse suffering from a neurological condition makes this dipshit carriage driver's actions even worse. It's like your dad has a neurological problem and falls and you start yelling at him to get the fuck up. What a piece of shit that guy is and the gall of his equally asshole union to tell us to not harass them over it is even more rich:

The Transport Workers Union (TWU) responded to criticism of the driver's actions, and wrote via Twitter, "The diagnosis of the equine veterinarian who examined Ryder is that he has EPM - a neurological disease caused by possum droppings. Please do not jump to conclusions before knowing the facts or talking to the carriage drivers' union."

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u/TikTrd Sep 18 '22

Because there's no way of knowing the horse had the disease until he exhibited the symptoms you see in the video.

I'm not justifying the drivers actions by any means. I'm just saying the title of the post is incredibly misleading from the claim of exhaustion to the description of how the horses are housed

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u/Mymomischildless Sep 18 '22

He could have unhooked the carriage sooner. It’s pretty obvious the horse was done. The fact he kept (lightly) whipping the horse is pretty telling of his understanding of this animal.

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u/TikTrd Sep 18 '22

Like I said, I'm not justifying the owners behavior in any way, shape, or form

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u/maxwell3005 Sep 18 '22

No it’s not.

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u/pacingpilot Sep 18 '22

EPM doesn't just come on acutely like that. There are symptoms well before the horse gets to the point of collapse. Whether the owner chooses to have the horse treated or just ignore it till it gets to this point is another story.

The treatment for it costs around $800/month and can take several months with no guarantee of recovery and many horses that come down with it end up needing to be retired. I feel bad for this horse, his owner doesn't appear to be very compassionate and it takes quite a bit of compassion to take on the costs of treatment, nurse a horse with this condition and then do right by them if they aren't able to return to work afterwards.

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u/ReadItUser42069365 Sep 18 '22

People think they are compassionate because they don't do this. Yet they go home to animals on their plate

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u/IcyConsideration7100 Sep 18 '22 'MURICA

Depends on the animal. People take their dogs to hunt foxes and badgers but treat them like they are fur babies. Save your armchair psych analysis for a youtube clip of Criminal Minds

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u/BuckSweep Sep 18 '22

TIL foxes and badgers aren’t animals

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u/ArTooDeeTooTattoo Sep 18 '22

Yeah, fox hunters aren’t that attractive either dude.

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u/M0b1x Sep 18 '22

I say we strap the man to the carriage and see how long he can pull the damn thing!

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u/Terrible_Buy_5612 Sep 18 '22

Quit giving that guy money for riding horses and he goes home forever.

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u/hookh00k Sep 18 '22

Have you seen the tourists -- theyll do anything to not walk two blocks

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u/omgsoftcats Sep 18 '22

It does not make sense. If the horse is their livelihood, they would treat it better than average not worse. A new horse is around $3000+

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u/threeleggedgirl Sep 18 '22

There's only a short window of time in a horse's life when you can ride them and whatnot IIRC.

Plus, not abusing the horse would mean less time spent outside making money. Same idea as underpaying employees and not giving them breaks. Sure, turnover is high, but it's believed that it's cheaper to let a worker burn out quickly and replace them than to ensure their wellbeing. Also, just like a well-treated and experienced employee, a well cared for horse might become less persuaded by your authority. And if you're a sociopath who abuses horses, you can't possible risk losing total control.

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u/RandyAcorns Sep 18 '22

Weird people made this same argument about slaves

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u/John_T_Conover Sep 18 '22

You'd think that, but a lot of people have animals that they depend on for their livelihood and horribly abuse and neglect them. Some depend on their children for it and treat them the same way or worse.

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u/thebannanaman Sep 18 '22

You say that like it is uncommon. They are called pedicabs and they are all over. Human powered carriages are probably more common than horse drawn carriages nowadays.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

Put him out of business

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u/IonOtter Sep 18 '22

From a medical standpoint, this horse is in deep trouble. The fact that they went down with their feet under them means they aren't getting back up again without a lot of help.

They need immediate IV fluids. Not oral, as that would make things worse. If they can get their legs out from under them, such as releasing them from the harness and allowing them to lay on their side, that would help.

If they can get them hydrated quickly, then the horse should be able to stand up on their own. If not, they need to be lifted with a sling.

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u/Ornery_Reaction_548 Sep 18 '22

How would oral fluids make things worse?

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u/Quinnley1 Sep 18 '22

When a horse is experiencing dehydration, exhaustion, and is possibly becoming hyperthermic a few things can go wrong trying to get them to drink water to rehydrate. If they are gasping for air or struggling to control their muscles, they could aspirate the water (get water into their lungs), which leads to major respiratory problems like infections with only a little water (a problem for later if they survive the dehydration) but a major, immediate issues for blood oxygen level problems if they inhale too much water when their body is already in crisis. The biggest reason you need to give the horse IV fluids and not let them drink water is electrolyte imbalance. Drinking water when they are already in the midst of this level of dehydration absolutely will severely unbalance their electrolytes, it starts a huge domino chain reaction of bodily functions shutting down in the horse's body (most notably, the delicate ecosystem of their digestive process is disrupted, which can lead to new emergencies like colic).

They need to cool the horse down by stripping everything off of it then putting isopropyl alcohol and ice water on it (water cannot be left on the horse's skin because it becomes an insulator so it must be poured then scraped off continuously) while they try to get appropriately electrolyte-balanced solution hooked up to the horse with an IV.

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u/StevenZervos Sep 18 '22

Wow! Thanks for the explanation. Horses are very sensitive animals. What happens if they get dehydrated in the wild? Just die shortly afterwards?

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u/Quinnley1 Sep 19 '22

All wild animals can succumb to death by dehydration, especially out where I live on the west coast. Wild horses and burros have more instincts/know-how to get water in the wild, the instinct to find shade and stop running when it's too hot, and the freedom to find water when they want it compared to domestic animals being worked but are more vulnerable to things like climate change affecting their water sources, humans fencing off ancient migration paths herds used to follow water, and land development affecting their access to water.

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u/InternetStarbanger2 Sep 18 '22

I don't know how it would make things worse either. Maybe if the horse threw up? IV fluids would be better because it's faster but idk why oral fluids would make it worse

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u/SleepoPeepo Sep 18 '22

Horses physically can’t throw up. Instead they get colic, where they get severe gastrointestinal distress and their intestines can twist up from it and kill them quickly. It’s the number 1 cause of death for horses outside natural causes

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u/InternetStarbanger2 Sep 19 '22

Thanks, then it definitely makes sense why oral fluids could be bad. I didn't know that about horses

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u/Brrrrrrtttt_t Sep 18 '22

It’s the same reason why a heat stroke victim isn’t supposed to chug water after blacking out. It takes hours (and bodily energy) to drink enough water to re hydrate yourself. And in an emergency you just don’t have that kind of time. (I could be very wrong, take this comment with like 2 grains of salt)

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 18 '22

Horses can’t throw up.

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u/pacingpilot Sep 18 '22

The horse has EPM per the vet's findings stated in the article. Dehydration is the least of its problems. It's a very serious neurological disease and that horse shouldn't have been working like that in the first place.

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u/IonOtter Sep 18 '22

That explains why they fell the way they did. If the owner/manager knew they were sick, that only makes their behavior even worse.

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u/pacingpilot Sep 18 '22

I've unfortunately dealt with EPM enough to confidently say that whoever hitched that horse up knew it shouldn't have been working even if they didn't know exactly what was wrong with it. EPM is horrifying to see, and symptoms are very noticeable even in the early stages from my experience.

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u/Gaping_Grandpa Sep 18 '22

It did lay down on its side. He did release it from the harness.

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u/Hot-Specialist-6824 Sep 18 '22

When I was much much younger my girlfriend's mother gave her a birthday present which consisted of paying for dinner and a show plus extra spending money for her birthday in NYC. I was very familiar with New York City but she had never been there, She really wanted to take a carriage ride but I politely kind of refused and eventually talked her out of it because even back then you knew the horses were mistreated in addition to the fact it was such a touristy thing to do. We've stayed friends over 40 years and she still gives me shit about not getting that ride and every time she does I send her one of these type articles about a horse collapsing or dying.

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u/MementoMori04 Sep 18 '22

As you should

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u/LadyDiscoPants Sep 18 '22

e've stayed friends over 40 years and she still gives me shit about not getting that ride and every time

'I've stayed friends with someone for 40 years who knows full well the extreme abuse some animals suffer and they still whine in an attempt to gilt trip me that I didn't help them also contribute to the extreme abuse of animals.'

With friends like that who needs enemies?

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u/kciuq1 Sep 18 '22

Sometimes a friend is just a person you call out on their bullshit and educate them on reality.

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u/LadyDiscoPants Sep 18 '22

For 40 years? That 'friend' isn't getting educated. They are spending 40 years guilt tripping someone because she didn't get her way to abuse some animals 40 years ago.

Sometimes people need better friends cus what this person is describing isn't friendship, its antagonization and shaming.

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u/C-Los23 Sep 18 '22

It's not that deep. Do you have friends? This is pretty normally behavior, you give your friends shit sometimes. A friendship that is 40 years long doesn't break due to one disagreement. People don't agree on everything.

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u/darthkrash Sep 18 '22

No, they do not have friends. Don't sweat this 😄

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u/TheNewGirl_ Sep 18 '22

Do you have friends?

No not really thats why they dont understand lol

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u/ValuableNorth4 Sep 18 '22

Down in Charleston they showed us the stable before hand and explained how they care for the horses and rotate them etc. It seemed totally acceptable.

Do they not do the same in NYC ?

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u/Beneficial-Shower-42 Sep 18 '22

No, in NYC they just have indoor concrete stalls where they live. The NYPD does the same thing. This guy is a total asshole. I've never seen a horse in NYC treated like this.

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u/Mountain_Offer1348 Sep 18 '22

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u/kilbus Sep 18 '22

PR, you can tell just by watching this handler that there's no culture of compassion for these horses. Just a way to make a buck.

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u/freelandford Sep 18 '22

I mean...you're not dumb enough to think that's the only stable in the city and that they are all as nice as that and have all that space in one of the most densely packed areas on earth....right?

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u/mifaceb921 Sep 18 '22

Given how expensive NYC is, I doubt you will find the same kind of stables like those in the South. For a city that is solidly liberal, it is sad to see so many people who lack basic compassion for animals. What is the point of having a horse carriage in NYC?

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u/svdoornob Sep 18 '22

There isn’t one

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u/Mountain_Offer1348 Sep 18 '22

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u/threeleggedgirl Sep 18 '22

None of those pictures look fine either, is this the best you could cherry pick? No grass whatsoever, no room for running and socializing, behind dirty ass NYC buildings, dreadful air quality, probably loud as hell (this stresses out horses so much), probably surrounded by broken glass and mold every day of their life, probably a fuck ton of flies biting them constantly.

I can't believe you'd even attempt to call this good treatment of horses lol, you've clearly never left the city before. This is what a horse pasture should look like. https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/horse-pasture

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u/Skandle_us Sep 18 '22

Cherry-picked article and some random guy saying theyre fine. Yeah man, I totally believe you over the other people posting more and more pics of bad living conditions lmao.

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u/__CunningStunts__ Sep 18 '22

NYC is a lawless wasteland devoid of compassion

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u/Nemphiz Sep 18 '22

You mean the people rallying to pass laws to ban horse carriages that only dumbass tourists ride? Yep, totally lack compassion.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

It’s mind blowing these carriage rides are still legal. I thought we moved passed this with I don’t know…cars??

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u/MortimerDongle Sep 18 '22

There isn't anything inherently abusive about a horse pulling a carriage, assuming they get adequate rest and live in good conditions when they're not working. But clearly that isn't happening here.

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u/winter_is_long Sep 18 '22

In New Orleans we drive mules. Just better suited to this type of work.

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u/traboulidon Sep 18 '22

We had them for tourists in my city and thank god they’ve banned them a few years ago. Fuck this practice.

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u/boredandolden Sep 18 '22

I would be him black and blue, I can't abide animal cruelty.

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u/RudeExplanation9304 Sep 18 '22

Send this guy to jail. Make an example out of him.

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u/patboy52960 Sep 18 '22

This is sickening. Fuck that guy

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u/kevbpain Sep 18 '22

Miserable cunt. May you have jagged finger nails every time you wipe

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u/valais_sheep Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Something is telling me he wasn’t trying to hurt the animal… not from a city, but don’t these drivers usually dress differently? He’s seems to be very casually dressed, is this normal for carriage drivers?

You can also hear a woman say “Stop hitting him!” To which he responds “I’m trying to get him up!” And all of his movements seem to be focused on getting the carriage off the horse and reposition him… 🤔

Something is telling me we aren’t getting the full picture and this guy might be getting unfairly judged. I don’t even think this guy was in charge of the horse based on his actions, he seems like a bystander trying to help the situation?

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u/pacingpilot Sep 18 '22

He was working a horse with EPM. Even if the horse hadn't been diagnosed prior to the collapse which from the article it sounds like the horse got diagnosed rather quickly after this happened (EPM test involves a spinal tap and there's pretty much no way they got results back this quick as turnaround is usually about a week so the horse was likely diagnosed via physical exam which means the horse had very clear symptoms, severe enough the vet was confident enough to diagnose) the neurological symptoms are unmistakably present and you've have to be a heartless piece of shit to work a horse in that condition. So, fuck that guy.

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u/Pellinoreisking Sep 18 '22

Poor horse.

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u/Gripnblaze Sep 18 '22

Surprised no one didn't push this man out the way! Let the horse rest give him some water or food

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u/Level1Roshan Sep 18 '22

Makes me sick seeing heartless scum like that guy. Literally slapping the horse as if it's the side of an old CRT TV thinking "If I hit it, it'll work." Only thinking of the horse as a piece of equipment rather than an animal.

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u/TheThankUMan22 Sep 18 '22

He is trying to get him off the hot pavement

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u/pies_r_square Sep 18 '22

Humans suck

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u/Mediocre_Parfait105 Sep 18 '22

That’s horrible

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u/Colekillian Sep 18 '22

Yeah, fuck that guy and fuck that system

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u/Junior_Teacher6446 Sep 18 '22

Horse are noble creature we must respect them

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u/Emain__Macha Sep 18 '22

if you pay for a ride on these you are just as much the problem

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u/ihatelifetoo Sep 18 '22

NYC will allow this abuse because of tourism

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u/Todegal Sep 18 '22

horses are generally treated terribly, yeah I read black beauty.... that shit traumatised me as a kid

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u/KinxtheCat42 Sep 18 '22

Horses should not be in NYC.... There I said it!

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u/Nemphiz Sep 18 '22

71% of NYC agrees with this. Only tourists use them and the people want them banned.

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u/kester76a Sep 18 '22

If this is a such a problem why isn't it enforced ?

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u/AKnightAlone Sep 18 '22

Could be hard to enforce a horse, of course.

But really though, this is sad. That horse has been through some shit.

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u/PacosMateo Sep 18 '22

Capitalism

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u/kester76a Sep 18 '22

It's being a shitty human, working an animal to death is just wrong.

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u/PacosMateo Sep 18 '22

You asked why the problem wasn’t enforced, not why the action is happening

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u/kester76a Sep 18 '22

Oh, I assume not all capitalist countries support this though?

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u/PacosMateo Sep 18 '22

Good question I think I spotted somewhere else in the comments their country cycles through different horses but I’m not sure myself

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u/bulboustadpole Sep 18 '22

HUR DURRR cApItalISm iS bAd mmKAAy

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u/roxywalker Sep 18 '22

Tourist carriage rides need to be banned.

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u/WV515043 Sep 18 '22

That guy needs treated like that

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u/IndicationHumble7886 Sep 18 '22

Sick fucks need to be charged

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u/Smack_Of_Ham7 Sep 18 '22

Damn not even the horses want to work anymore

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u/HowCouldYouSMH Sep 18 '22

Omg I can watch this!!!!
There is no need to have bourses in the big cities anymore!!

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u/Utramas2 Sep 18 '22

I hate that man so much

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '22

People suck

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u/Accomplished-Mode112 Sep 18 '22

I would have absolutely caught a case if I witnessed this. Animal Abuse. Clear as day.

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u/alannwatts Sep 19 '22

hope that fucker receives the same treatment next time he's too sick to move and finally on his deathbed

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u/MojoRollin Sep 18 '22

The title is misleading, however, this is during a major heat wave and the horse needs water bad

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u/ksuchewie Sep 18 '22

That horse needs IV fluids. Water would make it sicker at this point.

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u/Skankcunt420 Sep 18 '22

I’d like to see a source on horses and how they sleep or lay at night in these facilities

I know the horses get 5 weeks of vacation in pastures out the yr

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u/Residentofpaperst Sep 18 '22

TIL horses get more vacation time than I do.

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u/ksuchewie Sep 18 '22

I'm not sure the guy in the blue shirt was the owner/operator. He was not confident working with the tackle, at all. He missed several clips and didn't even do things in the right order. I think he was just trying to get the horse loose/free and tried slapping with the reins a couple of times so it would run away.

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u/critical-thoughts Sep 18 '22

that guy needs to be beaten and hung upside down from his toes in town square

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u/echosayswhat Sep 18 '22

100% I'm getting involved if I see someone treating an animal like that.

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u/PurrX Sep 18 '22

Worst dressed cowboy, ever.

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u/jscncfl Sep 18 '22

This is a ban I can support!!! Get rid of this type of animal abuse!!!

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u/SapientRaccoon Sep 18 '22

Now you get a glimpse of the Equine Hell that cars put an end to. Mostly.

If there's any apologies to be made, it's humans apologizing to horses, one of Man's true partners in civilization.

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u/NervousAndPantless Sep 18 '22

Who fucking goes in those carriages? It’s like wearing an “I’m an asshole” sash.

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u/Blasianbiker Sep 18 '22

Capitalism

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u/Numptyville1 Sep 18 '22

I can’t believe nobody knocked that man out.

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u/Even_Author_3046 Sep 18 '22

I wouldn’t be able to film I think I’d start telling him to fuck off, get water, and let the horse rest. They should be charged for this.

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u/FacelessFellow Sep 18 '22

Public reminder. If you love something, let it be free.

If you have to cage/chain them up, they probably don’t want to be there.

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u/goofyfuk Sep 18 '22

Fuck humans

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u/Unusual-Ad-8721 Sep 18 '22

Owner should no. Horsy sleeps when this happens.

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u/Hey-imLiz Sep 18 '22

People wonder why I say that I’ll never ride those horse drawn carriages.

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u/Jerb322 Sep 18 '22

Gross.....fucking humans

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u/NotAlanJackson Sep 18 '22

When he regains his energy I hope that he kicks his driver.

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u/Sniperrot Sep 18 '22

He needs to be put to sleep im afraid. But the horse can be helped by sone "good" horse people.

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u/Funkyard87 Sep 18 '22

Why is he filming instead of helping the horse?

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u/KinxtheCat42 Sep 18 '22

Yeah I am sure the person filming is a trained veterinarian with all nessasary equipment to care for a horse. Right there behind him. Just off camera. He did more to help that horse and other horses by filming this. The more people that see this and other incidents like it, the less you will see horses in NYC.

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u/Funkyard87 Sep 18 '22

You don't have to be trained to be able to stop the abuser, call a veterinarian - as you said - and confort the horse for a time. Also, a 5 second video is enough.

You people. Even if your mother was about to die, you wouldn't lift a finger instead of filming for content. The excuse of ''I know nothing''. Bystanders in your own life.

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u/UDDK24 Sep 18 '22

How many people here also participate in animal abuse everyday too? criticizing this dude! 😂

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u/CrashDunning Sep 18 '22

See the problem is we're not eating that horse. If we were, people would have no problem with this.

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u/brickorange Sep 18 '22 edited Sep 18 '22

Don't be a hypocrite. When we pay for animals to be stabbed in the throat, so that we can eat their corpses, we are no better than the horse owner in this video.

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u/Milsivich Sep 18 '22

Death doesn’t have to be cruel. Everything dies, a tortured existence is what I have a problem with. Yes, that includes factory farm conditions, but that’s not the only way to raise animals. I grew up on a small farm, and I’ve seen good ways and bad ways to eat meat

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u/svdoornob Sep 18 '22

Is “humanely” raising an animal for the purpose of killing and eating it really that much better?

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u/Milsivich Sep 18 '22

Yes, I really do believe that. I think the animals my folks raise on their farm have really good lives

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u/svdoornob Sep 18 '22

Right up until you kill and eat them

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u/Milsivich Sep 18 '22

Yep, that’s right! Not everyone can afford to do it this way, I understand, because it requires capital to raise cattle, but I really think it’s the right way to do it. If you don’t have family or friends who do it, I suggest buying a chest freezer and making friends with a farmer who will sell you cow on the hoof. I get a quarter hoof once a year, stick that deep freeze, and don’t eat almost any meat that was raised in a factory farm.

I definitely think cows and pigs are highly intelligent creatures, and their lives should be good, and their bodies honored by not wasting any.

I don’t feel as strongly about chickens, which honestly are dumber than rocks, but we still free range them. Although maybe that’s worse, since then they have to fear foxes and weasels and what’s not.

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u/svdoornob Sep 18 '22

I’m a vegetarian, so I don’t think any animal should have to die to give me something I don’t need. Obviously what you do is better than buying factory farmed meat, but I’d prefer none

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u/Laustintimeandspace Sep 18 '22

Get off your high horse, he’s exhausted.

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u/Darth_Vader_696969 Sep 18 '22

Someone’s a vegetarian…

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