r/PublicFreakout Oct 06 '22 Facepalm 1 Silver 2 Helpful 4 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Guy is arrested at a city council meeting open to the public because they didnt like what he had to say about police involved in domestic violence in his city . violation of first amendment? 👮Arrest Freakout

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u/Victorystardust Oct 06 '22

I wanna hear what he has to say.

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u/Ieatsushiraw Oct 07 '22

Bet they charge him with some BS like public disturbance or some such nonsense

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u/noctisumbra0 Oct 07 '22 Silver Wholesome

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u/DabbinAllday828 Oct 07 '22

"What's the First Amendment for if not criticizing the government?" he said. "I think government can handle three minutes of criticism." Well said.

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u/strongbud82 Oct 07 '22

"Defund Newton Police Department," he began. "They are a violent civil and human rights-violating organization."

Which they then proceed to violate his rights......🤦🤡🤦

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u/jbwilso1 Oct 07 '22

It makes absolutely no sense that police seem to think they don't deserve the image that they project to the world.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

None of this shit makes sense. There are way too many stubborn assholes with way more power then they are capable of handling and we are all too much of pussys to do anything about it.

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u/Hounds_of_Spring Oct 07 '22

The really pathetic part of this video is when the guy is marched away and somebody on the city council says "anybody else" that nobody else stands up and takes their 3 minutes to lay into the city council for refusing to support the guy's right to make his public statement

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u/aferretwithahugecock Oct 07 '22 Starry

For the laaaand of the freeeee! And the hooooome of theee brrraaaaaaaave

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u/Mrs_Mourningstar Oct 07 '22

Land of the police state and home of a slipping democracy!

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u/Fop_Vndone Oct 07 '22

I'd be afraid to speak, who knows what words they might arrest you for saying

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u/jbwilso1 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

This reminds me of this time in my high school theater class. This one chick got sent to in school suspension for saying the word "sex." Of course, it was pretty ridiculous. Before the class was over, about 3/4 of the students also ended up being sent to in school suspension, for saying the same thing.

I'd like to think that I would stand up and at least speak up. They can arrest you for the shit. But I don't think it would go anywhere. At least I certainly hope not. To be frank, I don't really care. I hate authority. Especially bullshit authority.

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u/Tederator Oct 07 '22

It becomes a greater concern when people are then removed from the scenes taken to an unknown location and held indefinitely without charge. It not a big step to go there.

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u/VibeComplex Oct 07 '22

“Anyone else want an easy lawsuit?”

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u/FishyDragon Oct 07 '22

Thats the problem. Sadly they have it so ingrained into us simply, and calmly expressing your rights is a crime. And we just let it happen. That line in Revenge of the Sith, "So this is how democracy dies, to thunderous applause."

Thatw happening here but its just with a whimper, because everyone is saying they didnt come for me. Well if you read up on history, that mindset leads to some bad places for everyone.

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u/dblecros Oct 07 '22

100%. Police in this country have spent the last century sincerely and diligently undermining any reason the American people might ever have for treating them with any amount of respect and trust greater than none.

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u/AldousShuxley Oct 07 '22

I see countless amounts of these clips on Reddit of you police being absolute fucking cunts.

Compared to here in the UK or Ireland where i'm originally from your police look like full on nazis.

Why do you put up with it?

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u/Substantial-Emu-9900 Oct 07 '22 Masterpiece

Mostly because they are all armed to the teeth and they have the explicit approval of the state to murder us with little chance of justice. They also have the backing of about half of our population who are fash-lite conservatives and will support what they do without a thought as long as police are hurting the "right" people. That said, in case you didn't know we've had quite a bit of direct conflict with them over the last few years, so it's not like it doesn't happen. To be honest, people starting to shoot back is probably right around the corner- a lot of leftist are arming up and organizing right now as a response to the mobilization of fascist militia groups, and the police are heavily tied into those.

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u/Guywith2dogs Oct 07 '22

The true leftists have always been armed. We're just never the aggressors. And we know better than to get in a fire fight with a cop. Unless my life is literally in imminent danger, I wouldn't ever take that option. And even if I was justified and it was self defense, they'd still throw your ass in prison forever. The police are untouchable here. They can beat and murder people and nothing happens. But a citizen can be arrested for criticizing them. Leftists already know we're outnumbered and the courts are not in our favor.

That being said a lot of us are more than prepared to protect ourselves and our families if shit ever does hit the fan. But you're right about one thing. These conservative hate groups are interweaved into police forces across the country. And until there's a complete overhaul of how policing works in this country, they will keep murdering and breaking the law and facing no punishment. So ya I'd say I wouldn't be surprised when people with nothing to lose start shooting back. The US can't be that far from the breaking point. You can feel the tension building every day

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u/fingerbl4st Oct 07 '22

This hurts my constitutional loins to read. So sad. Democracy dies in silence.

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u/KeyFobBob82 Oct 07 '22

They obviously couldn't handle it lol.

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u/lostPackets35 Oct 07 '22

Write the local DA and demand criminal charges against the police who did this. Obviously it won't happen, but they need to hear that the public sentiment is demanding it. DAs are elected

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u/loogie97 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

It isn’t a crime to arrest someone for no good reason. At least not in the United States.

There are laws against it. But it is like laws against improper storage of jackalopes. They aren’t enforced.

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u/JollyReading8565 Oct 07 '22

Someone who has suffered a violation of their civil rights at the hands of a state or local government official can bring a Section 1983 claim. Section 1983 (42 USC Section 1983) is a federal law that allows citizens to sue in certain situations for violations of rights conferred by the US Constitution or federal laws.

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u/lostPackets35 Oct 07 '22 Silver

Exactly! We need to demand that those laws be enforced.

The police don't outnumber or out gun shit in this country, their power comes from the majority of the population choosing to give it to them.

The population can choose to take it back whenever they want.

We don't even need violence. We just need people to give a shit.

Imagine businesses refusing to serve police or putting up "cops not welcome here" signs..

Imagine people just collectively turning their backs when a cop runs down the street .

Cop knocking at your door, don't answer.

Imagine half of the population. Refusing to say anything besides "am I being detained, am I free to go?" To a cop.

Demands that politicians talk about being "tough on cops" instead of "tough on crime".

All these things are legal. Yeah, cops will bully and harass people that do this if most people don't do it. But if cops find themselves persona non grata in society, they'll either have to get their shit together or become completely irrelevant.

This guy is doing his part to make it happen. Are you?

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u/seansy5000 Oct 07 '22

I want to. Is this what I have to do?

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u/lostPackets35 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Taking a stand like this guy, and facing consequences for it is great. But I recognize that everyone isn't willing to do that, and that's okay.

I think doing any of those things and just raising awareness and changing the Overton window is what we need.

For any of those tactics to be effective, a significant percentage of the population needs to be on board with them.

If 1% of the population refuses to speak to cops, the cops will just harass the shit out of them.

There's an expression about it. 1,000 armed people are terrorists, a million are a revolution.

The cool part is that if there's enough critical mass for that to succeed, violence probably isn't necessary.

So what can we do? We can talk to people. We can actively convince people that there's a problem.

We can write politicians and demand that they come down hard on cops who abuse their authority, demand that they hold them accountable. You'd be surprised... Especially at the local level Congress critters actually do listen. I got coffee with one of my congress people after writing them an email.

We can write DA's and ask why they're not charging police who abuse their authority. Expect to be ignored, but... That doesn't mean they're not hearing it.

Little by little, we can convince people there's a problem until eventually there's enough inertia to make effective changes. There's already some of this, in the wake of the BLM protests some states have passed bills limiting qualified immunity. I personally don't think it goes nearly far enough, but it's a really good start.

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u/itsGot2beMyWay Oct 07 '22

Back in the day the whole town would have shown up at the jail house and demanded they release an innocent man for abuse of power. Now we watch it on a viral video and just shake our heads and look at the next clip. We as a society have failed each other and I don’t see a change coming.

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u/da_crusha Oct 07 '22 Wholesome

Here's Michael Hansen's website at Newton in case anyone wants to read up on the mayor....

https://www.newtongov.org/96/Mayor-Michael-L-Hansen

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u/spookycasas4 Oct 07 '22

National Federation Officials Association. Well, we’ll, well.

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u/misskitty5077 Oct 07 '22

Thank you!!

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u/Pyrocitor Oct 07 '22

Any chance of a screenshot or copy-paste for us outside the US?

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u/eshatoa Oct 07 '22

When I went through training to become a Police officer many years ago, we were told explicitly offences like public disturbance and offensive behaviour could be utilised to our discretion when a situation 'didn't feel right'.

I was 19 at the time and ironically the whole culture of the police 'didnt feel right' either, I left before finishing eventually. Best decision I made.

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u/Johnniegirl1970 Oct 07 '22

I hope the charges get dropped and he hires a lawyer and he sues them and wins a gazillion dollars

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u/Staaaaation Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

... that WE pay for. There's ZERO repercussion for them to break the law.

Edit: To everyone stating the obvious, no shit it's the only recourse we have right now. No shit you'd be happy to pay to support him. Just remember you're NOT actually supporting him. By paying, you're paying not only him, but the officers investigating, and the officer's paid time off. Vote people in who are as mad about this as you are.

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u/BNVLNTWRLDXPLDR Oct 07 '22

We need to start taking these settlements directly out of their pension funds.

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u/agitatedprisoner Oct 07 '22 Gold

Just make cops personally have to pay to carry civil liberty insurance. Then the cops with histories of violating civil liberties won't be able to find coverage and it'd attract relatively more moderates and progressives to the profession.

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u/hmmmmmm_i_wonder Oct 07 '22

Doctors have to pay for their own malpractice insurance, it is completely acceptable to make all professionals accountable for their behavior.

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u/FlatRaise5879 Oct 07 '22

Notary publics have to carry errors and omissions insurance.

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u/Adhominoid Oct 07 '22

Asshole insurance for cops

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u/GaddafiWasRight Oct 07 '22

u/Staaaaation u/Johnniegirl1970 if it comes out of police union's pensions, I'm all for it

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u/JasonsThoughts Oct 07 '22

That's why police officers should be required to have personal liability insurance. The taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for the cops' ignorance.

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u/DramaDroid Oct 07 '22

They removed him from the podium but with this video they gave him a megaphone.

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u/cavegoatlove Oct 07 '22

The axe forgets but the tree remembers

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u/dshdhjsdhjd Oct 07 '22

EXACTLY, the problem and why they don't give a shit.
Corrupt police state of Merica.
Democracy and freedom???? lol

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u/Vigilante17 Oct 07 '22

Make cops carry and pay for liability insurance on misconduct and poor job performance, not us.

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u/Alexthricegreat Oct 07 '22

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u/binglelemon Oct 07 '22

Straight outta Locash!

Am I the only one who remembers?

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u/GrunchWeefer Oct 07 '22

Sweat from my balls (you can feel the...)

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u/I_KILL_GIANTS87 Oct 07 '22

Bet they charge him with nothing. They just wanted him out. Not a scripted question.

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u/ghandi3737 Oct 07 '22

Like civil forfeiture.

Just taking shit they want.

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u/Noahsmokeshack Oct 07 '22

Right! Give this man a podium, we want to here what he has to say.

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u/jerryscheese Oct 07 '22

Hear* hurry and fix it before someone notices

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u/Cannacology Oct 07 '22

It’s that the cop who arrested him beats his wife and has been caught doing so.

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u/elmrsglu Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Don't be spreading rumors. My eyes hurt--same dude afterall?


Local news story about the incident. He was talking about an officer that was either convicted or has a pending charge for DV. The officer was recently involved in the wrongful DUI arrest of a sober driver where the officer, Nathan Winters, accused the driver of smelling like alcohol before performing SFSTs then accused the driver of driving under the influence of drugs after the driver passed all the tests.

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/xxgva2/guy_is_arrested_at_a_city_council_meeting_open_to/ircgx5r/


"Whats the First Amendment for if not criticizing the government? [...] I think government can handle three minutes of criticism."

  • Peterson, a man with balls who cares about being politically active

Found it: https://twitter.com/PeterKHanse/status/1577510255008825344

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/xxgva2/guy_is_arrested_at_a_city_council_meeting_open_to/irch3b6/

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u/986532101 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Thank you for doing the legwork. People like you are invaluable to this site.

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u/StinkyBrittches Oct 07 '22

I saw that video of the wrongful DUI arrest, it made the rounds here a few days ago. The cop was clearly on an ego trip, changed his story about 3 times throughout the video, and arrested the guy because he got his feelings hurt.

It does not surprise me at all that this officer has been arrested for domestic violence. He is exactly the kind of "bad apple" who does not need to be a cop.

If police want to earn back public trust, they need to get rid of these guys. When they circle the wagons to defend them, the "bad apple spoils the bunch".

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u/thinking_Aboot Oct 07 '22

If I tried to cover for a criminal, it would be felony obstruction. But when they do it it's "standing up for a brother cop."

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

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u/Specialist_Delay9103 Oct 06 '22

There’s another video of the same incident that starts earlier. The guy that gets arrested was being critical of the local police department for employing a domestic abuser and calling to defund said police department.

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u/Newyauchcity Oct 07 '22

So instead of giving him his 3 minutes in front of 30 people, they make him go viral. Smart.

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u/Howunbecomingofme Oct 07 '22

Cops are bad at being corrupt this point. It was like the one thing you could depend on with police and they aren’t even getting that right anymore.

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u/FerrusesIronHandjob Oct 07 '22

They must be pretty good at being corrupt because they get away with it all the time lmao

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u/Rogue__Jedi Oct 07 '22 Silver

That's because the system was built on ensuring they get away with everything.

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u/underwear11 Oct 07 '22

They are actually really good at being corrupt. They have gotten so corrupt, that they can be public with their corruption and still get away with it so they don't even care to hide it anymore.

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u/A_Semi-Random_Human Oct 07 '22

How the fuck are they even employing domestic abusers?

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1117-restrictions-possession-firearms-individuals-convicted

Did they just conveniently forget that it's illegal for someone convicted of even a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence to possess a firearm according to US Federal Law?

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u/sarcastically_senile Oct 07 '22

Cops are significantly more likely to be involved in domestic violence than the rrst of the population, they mostly protect their own.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 07 '22

What's more is it's extremely difficult to terminate a police officer due to their ridiculously powerful union. It's fucked up and broken. The whole system needs to be overhauled.

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u/ApolloXLII Oct 07 '22

There really needs to be a federal body that regulates law enforcement and provides a minimal but straightforward baseline for all departments to build off of. The federal body would only serve to step in and do investigations for departments that fuck up. Probably would need to be done in conjunction with state gov because additional checks and balances on federal government is a good thing.

A lot of people don't realize how little federal or even state regulation there is on law enforcement. For instance, there's no federal law on when a cop can draw their weapon. It's up to the individual police departments to address it in their own code of conduct.

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u/berthejew Oct 07 '22

I was raped by a police officer while in jail and they didn't do jack. After I went to prosecution office, I went to the aclu. He was "fired" from the jail but still works at an all women's prison down state. Infuriating.

Link: https://mlive.com/news/flint/2019/07/shiawassee-county-deputy-quits-after-having-inappropriate-relationship-with-jail-inmate.html

Not to mention it was a felony, nobody did shit. I have a video of him assaulting and raping me after I got out. Nobody cares.

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u/call_me_jelli Oct 07 '22

I care. I'm really sorry you went through that and the bastard that hurt you faced no consequences. I'm kind of a nobody myself, but you have my support if you want it.

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u/Smokybare94 Oct 07 '22

Happens more than you think

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/report-albuquerque-police-hired-convicted-felon-68672891

https://www.propublica.org/article/stebbins-alaska-cops-criminal-records-domestic-violence

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/officer-who-shot-killed-tamir-rice-hired-as-sole-police-officer-of-tioga-pennsylvania

https://www.adn.com/lawless/2019/12/21/we-found-14-villages-that-hired-criminals-as-cops-heres-what-the-state-is-doing-to-change-that/

These are just examples of police hired after being convicted of felonies (Timothy Loehmann was convicted as a cop, quit, then reapplied somewhere else so feel free to disregard if you must, although he got recertification after his conviction).

The list of police who stayed on after convictions of murder, rape, theft, beastiality, child porn, and domestic abuse are simply too high to count, feel free to do a quick Google search on those but beware some are quite graphic and haunting.

It is incredibly rare (and incredibly recent) in American history for police convicted of heinous crimes to actually stop being police. Typically they deploy the Vatican method, that is. They move them to a new county or state.

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u/ApolloXLII Oct 07 '22

They protect their own because they think they're all part of some super important brotherhood, when in reality they protect their own because they're all scumbags and want that guarantee of protection if they get caught.

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u/shaken-then-stirred Oct 07 '22

Why do I get the feeling that there’s either an explicit carve out for cops, or it’s not enforced.

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u/duffmanhb Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Anyone have the video? The fact that it starts right here makes me really suspicious. For all I know he broke established chamber rules and was ordered to leave, then refused. Usually when it's missing context, it's left out for a reason.

Edit: so he made personal derogatory remarks, which is against the code of conduct in most public hearings like this. It’s even not allowed in federal congress. The guy was out of order, and told to stop, which he didnt.

It’s a stupid rule but it’s legal. It’s a pretty unique to America policy originating in the south, of keeping hearings “proper” and gentleman like.

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u/lordsyphilitis Oct 06 '22 Silver All-Seeing Upvote Starry Helpful (Pro)

Local news story about the incident. He was talking about an officer that was either convicted or has a pending charge for DV. The officer was recently involved in the wrongful DUI arrest of a sober driver where the officer, Nathan Winters, accused the driver of smelling like alcohol before performing SFSTs then accused the driver of driving under the influence of drugs after the driver passed all the tests.

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u/Ladderrzz22 Oct 07 '22

So, this exact senerio happened to me 10 years ago when I was 18. Identical. Told me he could smell the alcohol on my breath... passed road tests.. blew a 0.0. Was taken to a hospital for blood tests, locked up all night, 600 to bail the next day... an blood tests came back negative like I said they would..

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u/Sum_Boddy Oct 07 '22

That's ridiculous. How much did you end up paying for all that?

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u/HumaDracobane Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I dont know how that goes in the US but in my country, Spain, if a police officer makes you go to an hospital for an alcohol test and the test is on your favor (Not exceding the limit) the govern pays you for the lost time.

If the officers suspects that their device is not working well they would call another unit for another device and if they doesnt like the result they can escort you to the hospital to conduct the test.

Also, citizens with positives can ask them to be translated to a hospital to conduct a test and if the result is in favour of the citizen they will pay him and if is positive you'll hace to pay the ticket and the test cost.

Edit: A correction.

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u/Bbaftt7 Oct 07 '22

Ha! When it comes to police interaction with citizens, if it sounds nice, and the citizen was treated fairly, it probably didn’t happen in the United States

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u/TheDecoyDuck Oct 07 '22

I swear I read an article about how some states will charge you for your stay in prison (nightly, like a hotel) if you are wrongfully convicted and sue the state for your lost time.

There's a lot here in the US that is pretty backwards.

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u/DigiQuip Oct 07 '22

In college my friend and I were arrested because a roommate accused us of stealing $12 from their room because they left their bedroom door unlocked and misplaced the money. I later found out the money they accused us of stealing was my share of the electric bill they didn’t even pay and instead used it on alcohol.

They arrested us, kept us in a jail cell for four hours while taking turns asking us questions, and straight up lying to us about what our rights were when we asked how much longer they were going to keep us. Of course we had a 0% understanding of our rights so…

The US has plenty of laws to protect citizens from the police but the police also have endless exemptions and you can’t even use those protections unless you know they exist and have the money and access to resources to fight them after the fact.

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u/noptamoius Oct 07 '22

I’m the US. A citizens time has no value.

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u/geggam Oct 07 '22

2 of those arrests and your license is automatically suspended in some states

no trial

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u/d3ds3c_0ff1c147 Oct 07 '22

It can be career ending, too.

For example, many teachers' code of ethics forbid being arrested, whether you're guilty or not.

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u/WanderingInjustice Oct 07 '22

I love how the mayor IMMEDIATELY bangs his gavel, because he won’t hear anything negative about his police department and then promptly ORDERS the chief to remove the speaker, and then PROMPTLY asks the forum, “anyone else???” upon having removed the citizen.

Perfect example of small town power trippers.

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u/lordsyphilitis Oct 07 '22

It's quite obvious he took it personally. Not sure how it works in Newton but where I am the mayor is technically the head of the police department so any criticism of the police department is a criticism of the mayor.

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u/mces97 Oct 07 '22

Oh well. You can criticize the government, those rules are illegal. 1st amendment. Big lawsuit.

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u/1bruisedorange Oct 07 '22

That is exactly what small town government is like. Moved to one 6 yrs ago…wow! It’s amazing how crazy it can get.

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u/mces97 Oct 07 '22

Those rules are unenforceable. I hope he sues. Just because you say you can't criticize someone doesn't make it a law. Free speech is ALL about criticizing the government. What other reason would we need that for?

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u/whats-a-potato Oct 07 '22

Omg I didn’t know this was the same police department.

You’re right. First he says he smells alcohol on his breath, then when the kid blew 0.0, he accused him of smoking weed.

Took him back to the station where another officer performed additional tests and determined he was sober.

Arrest of 19 year old kid

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u/notafuckingcakewalk Oct 07 '22

This video is a great response to people who say "Oh, if the cop is asking a bunch of questions, just answer all of them and everything will be just fine"

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u/BadHombreWithCovfefe Oct 07 '22 Silver Wholesome

What a fucking boss though. It’s bullshit that they violated his constitutional rights (and I seriously hope they pay dearly for it), but can we just for a moment focus on what a fucking chad this dude is once you see the whole video? Homeboy looks like he just logged off World of Warcraft before coming out and lighting these pieces of shit tf up. Dude arresting him was sweating bullets. Well done. Oh, and they had to finish it off by proving his fucking point!!

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u/CaptainBayouBilly Oct 07 '22

Just remember those that ordered the arrest are part of the system that protects but does not bind their own.

They will punish this person because they can. And if they are rebuked by a lawsuit, they will find other methods of punishing him.

There is no justice, only a system of laws meant to protect capital and those in power

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u/Youreahugeidiot Oct 07 '22

One day, they'll murder him and claim they had the wrong address.

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u/maxwell-alive Oct 07 '22

Does anyone know what rules he's allegedly violating?

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u/Responsible_Invite73 Oct 07 '22

None The council rules say you can't attack individuals. He didn't. This is just a shit mayor on a power trip.

He is the Führer of this shitty berg.

https://newtongov.org/

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u/pikameta Oct 06 '22

I feel like im spamming the thread but i found the full 2 minutes here. (because he didn't get his 3 minutes to speak)

https://twitter.com/PeterKHanse/status/1577510255008825344?t=0RPQlSzVpezuglFHTlzNcg&s=19

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u/cflanagan95 Oct 06 '22

At least they skipped the complimentary beating

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u/NotaVogon Oct 06 '22

We don't know that. Probably started the beating outside away from camera. I mean....he probably ran his face into the door frame repeatedly on the way to lockup.

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u/cflanagan95 Oct 06 '22

Well of course, he's clearly resisting arrest. As you can also tell from the video he's carrying an assault weapon also.

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u/NotaVogon Oct 06 '22

He was "coming right for us." the police probably.

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u/MahatmaKaneJeeves42 Oct 06 '22

Not complimentary at all. As a tax payer, he has a right to that beating!

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u/samborup Oct 07 '22 Silver

Mayor Michael L. Hanson and Chief Rob Burdess of Newton, Iowa. Hanson ordered it, Burdess carried it out. Earlier in the year, Hanson ordered Lieutenant Chris Wing to do the exact same thing. Wing complied.

The officer the guy called out and was arrested over is Nathan Winters, a known domestic abuser who maintains employ as an officer for the Newton PD.

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u/BurritoBoy11 Oct 07 '22

Yeah these last couples sentences of the article are insane:

The order was put in place because of a civil domestic abuse case with Winter’s former girlfriend. However, the order has an added stipulation, agreed upon by the former girlfriend, that allows Winters to conduct official police business. The order has since been extended and is still in place.

Like I wonder what that means but either way you slice it, it's wrong. Like did she have to say whether she thought he was unfit for duty because of her accusations against him? Why is she making this decision? Why would anyone believe this is an objective statement?

Maybe its not standard but they coerced her to say that so they could use it as a shield against criticism? Police are your enemy everybody. They can also be saviors in your times of need but are the biggest gang in the country: they murder people, they control and sometimes distribute drugs, they steal from people (civil forfeiture or otherwise), they extort people (may not be the correct word but they exort people with threats of arrests and lies), and they are untouchable. Oh yeah, and they kill 25 - 30 dogs a day (primarily people's pets).

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u/espslayer Oct 06 '22 Silver

Lol......the guy at the end says, "anyone else?".

Like who the fuck would get up and say anything knowing the guy before you just got arrested for simply stating HIS opinion. Too funny......fuck that town.

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u/wolfdancer Oct 06 '22

Which is funny cause being arrested for speaking and having video evidence is a wonderful invitation to sue the police department.

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u/littlerobles88 Oct 06 '22

Nah he can go further, sky's the limit because he was speaking at a public meeting. He can sue the entire county for all they're worth.

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u/Radiant_Ad_4428 Oct 07 '22 Ally

I want to see that dude in a lambo

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u/Tinfoilhatmaker Oct 07 '22

I wanna see the council members on bicycles

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u/Radiant_Ad_4428 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I really don't understand how these people came to be authorities of a county or city without at least some understanding of 1st ammendment rights.

We're they just dumbfounded and didn't speak up?

Or were they just complacent and enjoyed watching their goon haul him out in handcuffs?

Both are equally disturbing.

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u/djublonskopf Oct 07 '22

They’re rich and well-connected within their community, the end.

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u/Minobull Oct 06 '22

Bro I ABSOLUTELY would, like immediately. it's a slam dunk first amendment case. Get that money.

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u/BlazingCondor Oct 07 '22

Me next:

"yes hello my name is blazingccondor and this is my statement. As a citizen of this town I realize that I just witnessed a free speech violation and a clear easy lawsuit against the city council and the city. I realize that these funds will come from my taxes so I would also love to get a portion of that back. So what do I have to say to also get arrested so I can get some of that sweet sweet dough?"

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u/IndependentRemote220 Oct 07 '22

Just repeat verbatim what the previous dude said.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

IRL copypasta

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u/zimtrovert94 Oct 06 '22

This dude making a claim that can be proven by looking at the officer’s record and then giving an opinion…only to be arrested for saying it.

I don’t know, guys. But maybe this dude has a point about how bad the police department is.

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u/creamyturtle Oct 07 '22

these guys are lawless jerks! a lawless jerk appears and arrests said man SEE!

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u/HadesGutz Oct 06 '22 Shocked

If I'm understanding this report on the incident correctly, he wasn't even arrested for speaking up against them OR disorderly conduct . Sure that's what it was on the books, but he had delivered this prepared speech multiple times before. He was arrested because the council was tired of hearing from him. Not a good look. Comes off that they only let people speak because they expect them to feel heard then not care any more to do anything about it. This was someone who actually believed in democracy and was arrested for exercising it properly.

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u/DoJax Oct 07 '22

This town obviously needs to be avoided at all costs now, fuck this county or city government, he gave them suggestions for improving the city and they just completely ignored him.

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u/tymtt Oct 07 '22

Newton, Iowa is the town btw

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u/GrizzWintoSupreme Oct 07 '22

Report a defecation anonymously here:

https://public.mygov.us/newton_ia/request?id=20

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u/SwadianZunist Oct 07 '22

How much shit does a town have that they need to have a website dedicated to locating it?

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u/awoeoc Oct 07 '22

I mean we just saw them shit right on the constitution on video. Guessing it's everywhere.

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u/Super-Branz-Gang Oct 07 '22

Help me understand what an anonymous defecation is…? Did I miss that day in civics course? Because all I can come up with is a “public poo,” and I’m sure that’s not correct, so anyone wanna teach me something today?

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u/eeeedlef Oct 07 '22

That's what they want, though.

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u/envis10n Oct 07 '22

The town isn't the issue. The local government and police department are.

I live here, and there are a lot of people upset not only about the initial DUI bullshit, but also about the officers in general. I don't know anyone that actually likes the officers here, because a lot of them have been on the force for a long time. People that grow up here and stick around have horror stories of specific officers and how they hold their power over everyone's heads. Especially the teens. I have been followed by officers here for extended periods of time, just for them to finally break off and go somewhere else. Likely to do the same thing to another driver.

The local government is full of your average assholes that think being leaders of a smaller town makes them gods. One of our supervisors was doing Facebook videos about the "china virus" at the beginning of the pandemic, and arguing with people in the comments.

Like I said though, there are a ton of people these days that are fed up with the bullshit and want things to change.

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u/BogWunder Oct 07 '22

THIS exact situation is what the 1st amendment is to protect. He got arrested for saying something the government didn’t like. Definition of fascism.

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u/quazziwazzi Oct 06 '22

Kind of bummed out that nobody spoke up. Nobody in that room had the balls to speak up and say that this man is due his time to speak in a public forum and has the right not to have his rights infringed upon while criticizing his local government.

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u/nasadge Oct 06 '22

Chilling for sure. I wonder if anyone else spoke up would they would get arrested also? That is the reason why they shouldn't do this because people won't have an outlet for their issues with the government.

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u/maybeCheri Oct 06 '22

Mays me remember that guy in Florida who was at a rally or something. I think he was protesting and the police came to arrest him. He was yelling, “ don’t tase me!” And no one did a thing to speak up for him.

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u/backspace209 Oct 06 '22

Idk but i would. If he really was arrested just because they didnt like what he said, im assuming he'll be getting a nice payday.

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u/buttermintpies Oct 06 '22

They're gonna call it a trespass or disturbance of the peace because the council cut him off and told him to leave the podium.

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u/asmallsoftvoice Oct 06 '22

yeah, they are definitely going to say it is because of his refusal to leave and not for what he said. I wonder why everyone thinks there is a nice "payday" associated with having our rights violated? We could not afford police if that were true because it's happening daily.

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u/rustajb Oct 07 '22

If this is a cop friendly town, the people tuned him out as soon as he said anything at all out of the normal. They were likely happy the cops stepped in. I hate that, but I grew up in a place like that.

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u/fuzzyshorts Oct 06 '22

It parallels the the people who will vote for Herschel Walker. They like, "I don't care if he raped a 4 year old, he's our guy and he'll inflict the pain on the people we don't like"

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u/RedxEyez Oct 07 '22

Its not that no one in that room didnt have the balls to speak up, its that those people agree with the fact that not everyone should be able to express their rights as they see fit. Its all a tribal mentality. Everyone in that room that stayed silent disagreed with anything that brave young man said so they were ok with his rights being trampled on.

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u/Granolapitcher Oct 06 '22

Considering if I was in the audience my taxpayer money would be paying for his undoubted eventual settlement I’d be upset

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u/EarlOfMarr Oct 06 '22

I would have spoken up and gotten my share of that settlement lol. A night or a few hours in whtever county jail that is is worth the lawsuit he will win

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u/bluechip1996 Oct 06 '22 Silver

The Dude in the Mcklveen Lumber Sweater led me to Newton, IA which led me to a quick google search for "Newton city Council arrest". https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-man-arrested-while-speaking-at-newton-city-council/41549420

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u/ringwraithfish Oct 06 '22

It's like these people have never heard of the Streisand Effect. Let the guy have his 3 minutes, walk away, and no one would have known anything about it.

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u/ADarwinAward Oct 07 '22

They did it because they know everyone else either agrees with them or won’t stand up to them. Sure he’ll get a settlement, but they’re also betting he’ll become a pariah in his town, and he’ll get iced out by everyone else

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u/UN16783498213 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Can't leave out the forthcoming endless police harassment/intimidation campaign.

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u/youre-a-happy-person Oct 07 '22

Wow, Newton. I just left central Iowa in May.

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u/Danimal47 Oct 06 '22

Ahhh the irony. Cop logic = 💩

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u/Semihomemade Oct 06 '22

I’d place this one on the council members. Or both, but not just the cop

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u/EmoSchnauzer Oct 06 '22

Fellow citizens really stepped up

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u/alrghtmate Oct 07 '22

stepped up to these hiding behind a badge sissies , police force full of cowards man.

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u/gancoskhan Oct 06 '22

Dude handled it like a pro. Good for him. Trying to do something for the better of your fellow human is rarely rewarded. Apparently, it’s sometimes punished.

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u/Relevant-Cake-2097 Oct 06 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Good example of a failing society

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u/callmejim1111 Oct 06 '22

Also good example of abuse of power.

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u/AncientOsage Oct 06 '22

This is literally what the first amendment is for

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u/greybeard_arr Oct 06 '22

I wonder how much various levels of government have had to pay out to citizens who were victims of police abuse of power in some manner over the last decade.

And I also wonder to what degree we can say anyone has taken the message that you can’t violate someone’s rights. I’m pretty sure the majority of police departments believe they can violate rights whenever they damn well please.

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u/Silvinis Oct 06 '22

Thats because they can. They arent held personally liable for it. The taxpayer is. Sure they might sometimes get fired, but then they just move a town or two over and get a new job

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u/greybeard_arr Oct 07 '22

The absence of accountability is tacit permission.

Where was the police department reported on this week whose members were quitting because an oversight body is to be formed? That any of them would run because they cannot accept being held accountable for their actions speaks volumes.

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u/tabgok Oct 06 '22

The clip ending with "Does anyone else..." is perfect after this demonstration shows what happens to anyone else who "does"

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u/tarabithia22 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

My town is the same. Openly punishing the public for filing their legal right to complain by charging a "fee" to file a complaint, and the person who decides if the fee is valid is the CAO who is corrupt and posts about how she is being attacked and bullied on social media by "fake news." We're also apparently only allowed 1 complaint per 4 years as of a tantrum post the other day posted on the town website. It's against the law but if one points it out the relatives of council will drive past one's house slowly at night and key one's car. The CAO is trying to ban home security camers now.

She recently let a prospective buyer pay the town for municipal hookups to sewage and water for a property, then reneg'd the sale saying it isn't feasable and quickly sold it to a relative.

She fired all of the fire volunteers and ignored them when they refused to work because of safety concerns (really bad ones). We were out firemen and policemen for 3 months until she hired new ones, as in not one cop or firetruck.

A recently fired (for bringing up concerns) employee had a sewage main (from the road not his line) back up into his house, he called the town's emergency number and they said call in the morning, while he was trying to pull boxes of his children's pictures out of sewage. In the morning they said they had no idea what he's talking about and he never called. His house is destroyed. The next week they put out a "rule" that the town isn't responsible for damage to properties caused by town-owned utilities/lines. A month later a relative of the mayor had the same issue, the town made big post where the relatives praised and complimented the town for handling and fixing it so fast.

Town employees are methheads related to council members who get 100% of the plowing/maintenance/public works bids and get jobs they aren't fit to have.

If anyone complains the relatives of the council all work at the hospital/school/gas station/dentist and will target one's kids or refuse service.

We had a good CAO but she forced the local families/employees to actually work and be accountable, so one of the council members spread rumor she stole funds and they fired her, altering her paperwork. She's suing them. The whole town gets together to harass anyone they don't like.

Etc etc

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u/mbelf Oct 06 '22

“The police are abusing their power.”

“I’ll show you abuse of power! You’re under arrest!”

“Well… yeah, exactly. You’re demonstrating an abuse of power.”

“Yeah. I know. I’m abusing power. I’m not arguing. You’re under arrest.”

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u/TivoDelNato Oct 07 '22

“Would an abuser of power do this!?

[abuses power]

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u/brapgf Oct 06 '22

i hope he sues the everliving shit out of them!!

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u/Feralmedic Oct 06 '22

Pretty clear violation of his first amendment.

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u/hottoddyheidi Oct 06 '22

The people are laughing and snickering. Fuck them.

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u/swaggyquack Oct 06 '22

Typical boomers

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u/Runaround46 Oct 06 '22

They don't like anything disruptive.

But they themselves were disruptive to gain power and they don't want to give it up

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u/ImpossiblePackage Oct 07 '22

Hardly. They inherited the world. The only disrupting they did was to disrupt the lives of their children.

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u/youre-a-happy-person Oct 07 '22

I know where this is and the place is fucking horrible.

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u/BrexitBlaze Oct 06 '22

I’m from the UK so idk what happened here. But if it is in the US, I hope he sues the police and the council. And laugh his way to the bank.

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u/alreadythe10th Oct 06 '22

Problem is the police department loses zero $, the tax payers will though.

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u/mandalorian_in_us Oct 06 '22

City corruption at its finest ... the entire city council along with police chief of that city are totally corrupt.

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u/BMoney2103 Oct 06 '22 Gold

It was just the Fashion Police

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u/BmoreDude92 Oct 06 '22

I have those same swim trunks!

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u/ironicallyunstable Oct 06 '22

His point literally prove . Quite a performance. Good policing. /s

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u/MindErection Oct 07 '22

This should totally surface on r/republican , right??!?

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u/twixieshores Oct 07 '22

Yes, but not for the right reasons.

r/republican caption: "Antifa meets justice after speaking of against our heroes"

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u/closeddoorfun Oct 06 '22

A good lawyer will do justice

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u/Feralmedic Oct 06 '22

Yup. And the taxpayers will pay for it. Cops will continue the behavior until THEY are held accountable and not just the city,state, county that employs them

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u/AmazingPINGAS Oct 06 '22

It's super interesting to see these. There's a town in New Mexico that has by far the greatest corruption I've ever seen. There's tons of videos on YouTube about it. However this person has a free lawsuit. Uncle Sam just handed him a blank check.

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u/Mission_Bowler4368 Oct 07 '22

This is the Murica that lead their sons into Iraq and Afghanistan to spread their democracy. Lmao. Get it right at home first boy.

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u/RichPro84 Oct 07 '22

I’m on my townships zoning board and am a civil engineer who regularly appears in front of council meeting, planning board, and zoning boards. In NJ, at least you are somewhat limited to what you can say when. There are certain times on applications you can only ask questions, other times during the same applications you can make general comments. That being said, this looks like a council meeting (as post says) and you are legally required to provide any member of the public xx minutes to speak. The best way to deal with “absurd” public comment is to just let them speak, say thank you and move on. This is a god damn insult to local government.

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u/structuremonkey Oct 06 '22

I hope this guy has a lawyer and sues the hell out of the township and the cops for this...where the fuck are we living these days??

Every meeting I've been to, even if the craziest person in town wants to talk, they get their few minutes. After their time is up, they gavel them out, generally will say thank you for that, and move on...no matter what they have to say...

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u/CorgiNice2745 Oct 06 '22

Can’t wait for the lawsuit in part 2

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u/norr0 Oct 06 '22

That dudes got style 😎

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u/bk15dcx Oct 06 '22

I saw those shorts too!

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u/dotcomslashwhatever Oct 06 '22

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u/dayoneG Oct 06 '22

Sue their fucking pants off!!

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u/KDLS1266 Oct 06 '22

I hope he does and wins and comes back to that podium to gloat and tell them how fucking corrupt they all are and that they wasted this much of the taxpayer’s money to do nothing but prove his point for him. Then come back next week to describe all the frivolous ways he’s spending that money and how happy this makes him.

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u/Boettie Oct 06 '22

I like how the video ends with "anyone else"? Well....councilor...based on the previous dude getting arrested for his opinion....i think i will keep my opinion to myself.

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u/McPoyle-Milk Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I love how when a video starts right when a conflict is beginning everyone is all “it’s staged, why else would they already be recording?” And then when it’s starts mid conflict it’s like “what’d we miss? This is suspicious” lol

IDGAF what he was saying they shouldn’t be able to arrest him for saying something they don’t like. Everyone involved is gross even the hurt people in the room.