r/PublicFreakout Dec 01 '22 'MURICA 1 Silver 1 Helpful 2 Wholesome 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Starstruck 1 Snek 1

A man was voluntarily helping Nacogdoches County Sheriffs with an investigation into a series of thefts. This man was willing to show the sheriffs messages on his phone from someone they were investigating. The Sheriffs however chose to brutally assault the man and unlawful seize his phone from him. Repost 😔

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u/stokeszdude Dec 01 '22

gets punched in the face “why don’t you wanna help us?!” “I don’t trust you!” Jesus man, you just got punched in the mouth by a cop. Be madder!

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u/KDN1692 Dec 01 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Because if he did he just get more in trouble. Dont know if u know this but Cops dont have to be level headed. You have to be levelheaded. It's one of the many and big flaws of our current landscape. Cops arent held to the standard their suppose to be.

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u/NerdyToc Dec 02 '22

Cops aren't held to the standard citizens are.

Citizens are expected to know all the laws in effect,as ignorance is not an excuse.

Cops are not required to know the laws, they are only required to believe that the law has been broken.

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u/TomCruisintheUSA Dec 02 '22

Cops make up laws just to get away with their lack of knowing the laws

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u/GenuisInDisguise Dec 02 '22

He is incredibly smart to keep his composure, or this is not the first time he is being assaulted.

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u/Confident-Buyer8316 Dec 01 '22

He can’t or they’ll kill him in “self defense”

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u/InLampsWeTrust Dec 01 '22

He was probably one of those naive fools that thought Cops are great and to be respected. Hope he learned his lesson here.

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u/Matthiasad Dec 01 '22

Or he just didn't want to be seen as aggressive and give them a reason to shoot him or beat the shit outta him some more

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u/IPDDoE Dec 01 '22

This is it. He was criticized for "scrolling too fast." I would hold off on any aggression in a situation like that, and if I knew the video existed, call an attorney as soon as I left that room.

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u/Mstablsta Dec 01 '22

Goddamn, he just goes straight to punching the man in the face within a half second of feeling slighted. The man was trying to help.

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u/FrostyD7 Dec 01 '22

And everyone in the room backed him up despite knowing he was wrong. Cops know they can't hold their peers accountable without recourse.

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u/allison-chains- Dec 01 '22

"Without recourse" is the big one here. Way more bad cops would be weeded out if police work culture weren't so toxic. If you report some wrong-doing by a colleague, there's a very high chance they will know about it. No one wants themselves or their family to be put on the shit list of a sociopath with a gun.

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u/MeatsuitMechanicus Dec 01 '22

Reminder that they burned Chris dorner alive in his cabin after they went on an armed rampage through the city and almost murdering several citizens in the process with absolutely no consequences.

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u/Longjumping_College Dec 01 '22

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u/MeatsuitMechanicus Dec 01 '22

Oh yeah that training accident where they beat the living shit out of someone until they died.

Oops!

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u/blickblocks Dec 01 '22

Police don't believe in right or wrong. They believe in the thin blue line. You're either on the side of the cops or you're not. When that man defied the officer he crossed the line, and he get punched in the face. Every cop in the room felt that he crossed the line and deserved it.

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u/Oak_Woman Dec 01 '22

Fascism, basically.

Comply or die.

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u/titsmuhgeee Dec 01 '22

Imagine what he does to his wife.

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u/DrEckelschmecker Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Thats why you dont show the cops your phone, period. Theyll always find a way of either taking it from you and looking through the whole thing and/or finding something they use to prosecute you.

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u/Nazdack Dec 01 '22

Don't even talk to them. Period. They will ALWAYS assume you are a suspect and twist your words against you. Never talk to cops EVER.

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u/Jettx02 Dec 01 '22

But NOT talking to them and being evasive is also suspicious to them. Almost as if they just want to flex their authority 🤔

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u/Frenchor Dec 01 '22

You gotta lawyer up from the moment cops are asking to come over for questioning/helping. Get the lawyer to share the messages they need. It sucks you have to foot the bill to get protection from ppl supposed to protect you.

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u/ChaosStar95 Dec 01 '22

They're not legally obligated to protect you. The SCOTUS already weighed in on that.

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u/numberonebuddy Dec 01 '22

Never forget "Protect and serve" is just a catchphrase with no genuine meaning or declaration of intentions.

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u/anglostura Dec 01 '22

Hell of a marketing slogan though. Gotta love copaganda.

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u/KeepItDownOverHere Dec 01 '22

I also read that you shouldn't have the face recognition or fingerprint unlock option activated. As they can just hold it up to your face or force your finger on the print reader to unlock it.

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u/FuckTripleH Dec 01 '22

Yup passwords require a warrant, biometrics do not

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u/Spootheimer Dec 01 '22

Seems... like an oversight?

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u/PackageintheMaleBox Dec 01 '22

An intentional one they don't intend to close. Just like how the government doesn't need a warrant to search you if you live within 100 miles of a border which is 2/3rds of the population.

Or how you have the right to bear arms, but if a cop thinks you have a gun they're allowed to kill you.

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Dec 01 '22

Just sent him an email. Thanks!

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u/AutoGrind Dec 01 '22

Good, fuck these people. They are voted in, vote them out if they can't control themselves.

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u/Frishdawgzz Dec 01 '22

Every FB post of theirs for the last few weeks was just bombarded with the video.

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u/BeerTheFern Dec 01 '22

They also don't like it when you call. Huh, i thought they would want to comment.

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u/bendover912 Dec 01 '22

You don't need any professional certifications for amateur journalism. Everyone is free to call them and request a comment for the story they are writing, regardless of whether they end up publishing that story or not.

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u/psychrolut Dec 01 '22

calling now

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u/BeerTheFern Dec 01 '22

Yea, i know, that is exactly what i did. They didn't like it.

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u/Busangod Dec 01 '22

Just to jump in here near the top, this is why bombarding their Facebook isn't a great idea. They are voted in, people should be emailing every church, local organization, local news.l, even individuals to make sure the people know and know clearly what happened. Sheriffs are really only beholden to the vote

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u/MosesBeachHair Dec 01 '22

Using an above comment in coordination with this:

"You don't need any professional certifications for amateur journalism. Everyone is free to call them and request a comment for the story they are writing, regardless of whether they end up publishing that story or not." -bendover912

Call local organizations and see if they want to comment on this local story.

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Dec 01 '22

I live in Houston but I would if I could.

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u/AutoGrind Dec 01 '22

I live on the other side of the country, just doin my part lol.

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u/Geek_off_the_streets Dec 01 '22

Nacogdoches is only a couple of hours away.

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u/JavaOrlando Dec 01 '22

A grand jury declined to indict Landeros after the Rangers’ investigation, Iglesias said.

Looks like it's too late for criminal charges unfortunately.

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u/ViniVidiOkchi Dec 01 '22

The prosecutor is in bed with the sheriff. A prosecutor can get a jury to indict a ham sandwich. Corruption in America is alive and well in Texas.

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u/U81b4i Dec 01 '22

There should be some civil restitution at minimum. This stuff is hard to watch. He was doing way more than he legally had to do to begin with. He did not have to show them anything.

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u/JavaOrlando Dec 01 '22

Absolutely. And even if the cop was within his rights to take the phone after seeing something, there were three of them and he wasn't being combative. They should have been easily able to take it from him without punching him in the face.

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u/anglostura Dec 01 '22

Continuing to show the world that too many cops throw violent tantrums when told 'No'.

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u/Maximo9000 Dec 01 '22

He snapped precisely at the point the guy he can't have the phone, only look at the phone.

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u/Living_Bear_2139 Dec 01 '22

How did a grand jury not find anything wrong with what happened?

The man got punched in the face.

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u/Charred01 Dec 01 '22

They're cops. To many view the blue uniform as heroes rather than the blue gang members they are. Hell they tried to seriously indoctrinate us back in the 90s into the same line of thinking.

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u/Mydogroach Dec 01 '22

this is just another reason why you never talk to police, you never help then with an invstigation, and why all cops are assholes.

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u/Ok-Republic-3210 Dec 01 '22

“I found your email address on the county website and was just wondering if you beat your wives like you did that poor man who you guys assaulted and illegally searched?”

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u/TheMightyRaisin Dec 01 '22

Man that website is ugly

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u/AutoGrind Dec 01 '22

Right, I'm a hobby level coder at best and my first site was leagues ahead lol.

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u/amanofeasyvirtue Dec 01 '22

Almost like someone got their nephew to do it then pocketed the money for it. Or they purposely make it shitty so you cant file complaints

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u/Royce-McCutcheon Dec 01 '22 Platinum Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

His first mistake was voluntarily speaking to the police.

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u/jobeyfivethousand Dec 01 '22

YUP, they even treat the people who try to help them like shit.

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u/StickyWetMoistFarts Dec 01 '22

This was 20 years ago but my step father was hunting and saw 2 poachers doing their thing. Drove to the police station and told them about the poachers. Before leaving one of the cops asks to see his license (no prior arrests or criminal history of anykind), they then bully him and search his truck, destroyed some gear in the back when they took it apart wrong doing thousands of damage, with 6 officers all passing around his rifles all pretend aiming them for no reason like they are 'checking them' somehow, etc. takes apart half his truck. Couldn't find anything wrong or illegal so they let him go.

Moral of the story, No good deed goes unpunished, and that step dad always harped about never calling or helping the police with their investigation in any shape or form.

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u/whangdoodle13 Dec 01 '22

Ah so they poachers were fellow cops.

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u/EnglishAintBeTooGood Dec 01 '22

This is the correct answer.

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u/mightylordredbeard Dec 01 '22

Exactly what it sounds like. Or they knew who it was and they were buddies of the station.

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u/corkyskog Dec 01 '22

Probably more statistically likely. It could be cops, but cops also have friends and they tend to bend over backwards to help them out, often committing crimes themselves in the process. Especially in more rural areas.

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u/Alewis3030 Dec 01 '22

That’s part of why I like the way my state does it. There’s a hunting app you get from them to tag your hunt kills and report shady shit. It’s all handled by state officers not the local guys that way.

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u/cjandstuff Dec 01 '22

Coworker had a well off friend offer to take him duck hunting. “But it’s not duck season, we can’t do that.” “Don’t worry, the DA is coming with us.”

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u/babyjo1982 Dec 01 '22

At my mom’s wedding, to a retired local cop, we were leaving and packing up the open containers, and her new husband had had a couple. I said something about being pulled over, and he just looked at me like .I should know. And then I did. Nobody’s gonna pull over Sarge. Everybody loves Sarge. He can crime a little on his wedding day

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u/Jugadenaranja Dec 01 '22

Anything less than outright murder is only illegal for the poor

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u/SkyezOpen Dec 01 '22

Hah, murder is included.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

He can crime a little on his wedding day

As a treat

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u/dyslexic_cuck Dec 01 '22

fuck r ron and john still out there? killing fawn at the break of dawn?

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u/Yeranz Dec 01 '22

What do you want to bet that the poachers were off duty cops or related to one of the cops?

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u/gopher_everitt Dec 01 '22

Always go to the Game Warden for these matters.

Aside from it being what they are trained to investigate, etc. they are state level, receive more formalized training and are much, much better than the normal police to deal with.

I frequently interact with them and they are nothing less than professional.

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u/BeachLover442 Dec 01 '22

Dun talk to cops. They are looking for a reason to arrest YOU.

Video all interaction with cops. It might save your life. It makes them act more legal if ur recording.

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u/ICantGetAway Dec 01 '22

Why should they go all the way to where the other criminals are, when they have a potential "criminal" right there, at the station. Work smart, not hard. /s

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u/onemarsyboi2017 Dec 01 '22

Yea there is this one story about a pizza guy getting caught up in a drug raid and being mistaken for a drug dilliverer The cops showed up to his house and took him down to the police station...

Where they tried to convince him he was the crinnimal but he stood his ground but he was charged with interfereing with an investigation iirc

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u/justmovingtheground Dec 01 '22

I had something stolen from me once and went to the police. They tried to turn it around on me like I was in kahoots with whoever stole my shit, that I tried to sell it for drug money. All this stupid shit in my FIRST conversation with them.

I asked them how in the hell they came to that conclusion with zero evidence to support it, and that I'm reporting a crime as a victim. They just threatened me again.

They called me a couple days later with a completely different attitude. I assume they looked into my record, and saw that I don't have so much as a speeding ticket. But their first instinct was to try turn the screws on me.

Years later I caught some porch pirates on my camera clear as day. People told me I should take it to the police, but fuck that. No longer will I voluntarily talk to those assholes again.

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u/jreykdal Dec 01 '22

No longer will I voluntarily talk to those assholes again.

Mission Accomplished. Less work for them.

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u/OathofDruids25 Dec 01 '22

People need to realize that at the end of the day they just don't want to do anything. They want to sit on their ass in their car, write tickets, and go home. They're happy that people don't trust them because it means less interaction with the scum (normal people) and less risk of them ever having to actually protect someone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly lazy cops are about doing their job.

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u/4_out_of_5_people Dec 01 '22

If you have a problem and you call the cops, you now have two problems.

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u/mrmemo Dec 01 '22

"Hi everyone, it's Shut The Fuck Up Friday.

When cops want to talk to you, what do you do?

You say 'I refuse to incriminate myself by answering questions' and then you SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP."

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u/itssarahw Dec 01 '22

Prob says way too much about me but lately I’ve been watching some interrogation videos on YouTube. I’m not advocating for any sort of crime but almost every video I’m seeing could’ve been so much easier on people if they either never went in there with the cops, or demanded a lawyer immediately.

I mean, cops are given full allowance to lie and also protected from any consequence whatsoever

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u/Teresa_Count Dec 01 '22

That's what's crazy to me. There is a genuine, actually useful cheat code when dealing with police and especially when sitting across an interrogation table from police. Don't say anything. That's it! That's all you have to do! And yet almost no one seems to be able to do it.

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u/fartemous_foul Dec 01 '22 Silver

Multiple cops watched an assault and did nothing but participate.

Every single cop in that department is shitty if that's the behavior that's acceptable.

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u/barringtonmacgregor Dec 01 '22

Standard operating procedure.

Never talk to cops. They are not your friends.

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u/desktop_user_007 Dec 01 '22

If a cop speaks to you, he is looking for a reason to arrest you. If he doesn't have one, but has already decided he's going to arrest you, he may make one up.

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u/wreckosaurus Dec 01 '22

I got pulled over once with colorado plates driving cross country. West Virginia state trooper pulled me over for “swerving”. Talking like we’re all good friends. Then he made me sit in his car and said he was gonna bring the dogs in. This was shortly after colorado had legalized weed and he just assumed my car was filled with pot.

His demeanor changed so suddenly. From “making sure I’m ok” to “criminal where’s the drugs.”

Fuck those people. It’s obvious he pulled me over for colorado tags. He just wanted to fuck me over, that was his only goal right from the start.

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u/BeachLover442 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

you got profiled. reagan made cops bounty hunters. 80% of cash confiscated goes back to arresting agency 90 days later. They are hunting for $$$$$$

Some like Sidell. La went from one full time sheriff, two part time deputies.....to 3 years later, 60 cops, 40 cars, 9 k-9s, n two helicopters. Was on 60 Minutes. Only road from Houston to New Orleans. Previous annual budget was $150k now to 3.5 million. All they do is sit on that road. Profile n Stop, make chit chat check license n insurance....tell victim it ok you can go...as victim gets 6 feet cop says By the way, you don't have anything illegal. Do you? Then you won't mind if I search. Do you?

Shamefully turning cops into mercenaries.

STILL....happening. $200,000 cash here last week.

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u/korben2600 Dec 01 '22

Police in the US stole more money than burglars did last year

And these numbers are from 8 years ago so I imagine it's even worse today. At this point, local police departments are nothing more than an organized gang with a monopoly on violence.

Source: Washington Post

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u/Mydogroach Dec 01 '22

my nephew was driving my moms car (She was helping him with work) and he abandoned it when he cops were looking for him.

i picked up the car and immediately got pulled over at a gas station, at the pump.

the officer was combative immediately and seemed pissed when i said i didnt know where my nephew was.

he thought we were doing an exchange to hide him (because i had a friend with me that dropped me off to pick up the car) and he said he was going to arrest me if he saw my nephew on the gas station cameras and charge me with harboring a fugitive lol. i kinda laughed and said ok

so he goes in and 5 min later comes out visibly pissed off, threw his hands up in the air like hes having a tantrum and just drove off like the little bitch he is lol

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u/skarby Dec 01 '22

The gas station attendant likely didn't let him see the video, which probably made him more tantrum-y

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u/xXx-A-xXx Dec 01 '22

A lot of corporations have policies that cops need a warrant to see any camera footage (as they damn well should) so that was likely the reason why lol. What a big baby.

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u/improbablynotyou Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22 Hugz

I worked at a national retailer as a manager and we would occasionally get requests for our security videos. We'd always contact our legal department and they'd tell us to only hand it over with a warrant. On every occasion the cops would show up without a warrant and then throw a shit fit when we wouldn't just hand it over. I have been in a situation where a handful of cops are yelling at me to just hand it over or I'd be arrested as an accomplice or similar shit. These assholes don't want to follow proper procedures, they just want to take shortcuts.

The thing that always bothers me is in situations like the one above, the cops never acknowledge they were out of line. Instead they always start questioning why you are invoking your rights. I've had cops come to my apartment looking for the person who used to live in my unit before I moved in. I've lived here for 14 years and these guys seem to think they live with me still. Every single time they've come they always do the same thing, demand entry, tell me "they don't need a warrant they just need me to open the door" (sorry assholes, you do need a warrant for that) then they start accusing me of all sorts of crap and questioning why I wouldn't just open up. I always live telling them my father was a sherriff's deputy and that was what he told us to do when dealing with the cops. They always leave shortly after that, however someone always needs to comment on "what a disappointment I must be to my father, and how he deserved a better child."

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u/DarthFluttershy_ Dec 01 '22

the cops never acknowledge they were out of line.

Not only that but they never acknowledge that ANY cop is out of line. I had some buddies who became cops and it's like a cult. They are still reasonable about other shit, but when they talk about cops they pretend they can't even fathom the idea that a cop might do something wrong. Honestly that's what drove me away from blindly supporting police like I had been taught to do, because it was so ridiculous.

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u/altaccount_28 Dec 01 '22

Unless its a mom and pop gas station most gas stations record back at the corporate headquarters and the attendant probably does not even have a way to look at the tapes.

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u/dirkalict Dec 01 '22

Yeah- 1/2 the recordings are to watch the employees.

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u/SycoJack Dec 01 '22

I'm a truck driver, earlier this year I was working for a large trucking company, driving one of their trucks with their name on the side.

I was in Denver and told to go grab a specific empty trailer from an Amazon in Colorado Springs. When I got there, the trailer had a damaged door that needed repairs before it could be loaded. I assumed this was the reason they sent me for this trailer. That is quite normal. So I let them know I found the trailer and it needed repairs. Then I called our breakdown department and arranged to get repairs done in Denver at the nearest trailer shop. This took a good hour or more.

About an hour after I left Amazon I got a call from our security department telling me the trailer had been reported stolen weeks earlier that I needed to file a police report, that I also needed to get parked ASAP to avoid being arrested.

When the cops finally showed up, they gave me a ton of shit and were going to arrest me for possession of stolen property even tho it was our fucking property and I was able to show him the messages where I was told to retrieve the trailer.

The cops wanted to speak with our security department, but they weren't answering the fucking phones. So finally I called the "oh shit, I've been involved in a fatal accident" number and told them I was about to get arrested and they needed to get someone in charge on the phone to speak with the damn cops.

That finally got someone on the like, but fuck was I pissed.

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u/Hariy_MaN_Beast Dec 01 '22

As someone arrested 3 times with no convictions here are the rules: 1) Shut the fuck up 2) Refer to rule 1.

Don't ever give any information. Period. If you somehow feel guilty and want to clear your conscience then that's between you and your god. The police department is only there to punish not to help.

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u/CaliforniaCow Dec 01 '22

If you somehow feel guilty and want to clear your conscience then that's between you and your god.

Best advice I’ve seen on Reddit so far

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u/Jason_Giambis_Thong Dec 01 '22

If you have a problem, and you call the cops, you now have 2 problems.

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u/Spootheimer Dec 01 '22

At least they managed to take down that labrador retriever before it could give anyone kisses.

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u/delvach Dec 01 '22

Am I under arrest?

Am I being detained?

May I go?

I'd like a lawyer.

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u/ConcernedKip Dec 01 '22

just skip to the last part and say you need a lawyer. They'll just lie on the first 3 questions and you wont have a way to combat it.

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u/IWantANewBeginning Dec 01 '22

People should google 40% cops for more information.

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u/FlugonNine Dec 01 '22

I can't believe it, 40% of cops?

My God if only more people knew, just imagine the cops that are unaccounted for, that percentage would be higher!

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u/Immediate_Age Dec 01 '22

*40% reported

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u/theregularlion Dec 01 '22

40% self-reported

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u/WoahayeTakeITEasy Dec 01 '22

Self-reported too is it not? So 40% of them thought it's perfectly fine to admit to abusing their wives. I wonder what the real number is if 40% feel it's totally ok to admit that sort of thing.

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u/SkinnyBuddha89 Dec 01 '22

My brother in law is a cop in Oakland, i can 100% confirm hes a domestic abuser. Served in the military and all that "good" stuff

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u/guilty_bystander Dec 01 '22

good friend of mine from highschool became a cop. we didn't talk much after that.. few years later I see him in the newspaper. apparently he beat and cuffed his wife to a radiator at home for like two days. he was worried she was cheating. he gets a slap on the wrist and sent to some other police force in some other state...

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u/midnight_meadow Dec 01 '22

An ex best friends ex husband was a cop. He beat her and put guns to her head on multiple occasions. He was cheating on her with a heroin addict he caught but if she “serviced” him he’d let her go. He eventually got busted stealing stuff (drugs and guns) from the evidence locker and was fired. He was immediately hired as an officer the next town over. Absolute POS.

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u/thegr8goldfish Dec 01 '22

I heard about this. Isn't he running for Senate in GA now?

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u/midnight_meadow Dec 01 '22

This was in Pa. I don’t know of his whereabouts in the last decade though. He got a whopping one year probation for stealing the weapons.

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u/drowninginresp Dec 01 '22

And they got away with it

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u/danegermaine99 Dec 01 '22 Helpful

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u/Econolife_350 Dec 01 '22

"Nacogdoches County Chief Deputy (Jay) Smith, and Investigator (Justin) Pierce are pleased that the magistrate judge recommended that Mr. Roland’s claims against Chief Deputy Smith and Investigator Pierce be dismissed,” said David Iglesias, an attorney representing the county and the deputies.

A judge really watched this video of him getting punched repeatedly in the face and having his property stolen then said "nah, this is fine".

Not that I expect much better from judges or DAs.

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u/sharpshooter42069 Dec 01 '22

The county prosecutor in my home county put lots of people behind bars for small drug charges . Years later come to find out he was the biggest coke supplier in the area and state troopers were transporting it for him . He resigned and the 2 troopers were transferred and that was the end of it .

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u/raytube Dec 01 '22

South Mississippi had the whole crew in cohorts. At the lowest end of it, the DA's wife was personally collecting and stealing restitution monies directly from inmates. The sheriff over the jail was running a side food business, placing exorbitant food orders and loading up his trunk every delivery. Incredibly corrupt at every level.

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u/coppertech Dec 01 '22

wait until you read about the LA county sheriff's department, it'll make that look like a kindergarten class.

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u/JustMyOpinionz Dec 01 '22

*The officers deny violating Roland’s rights, Iglesias said. The incident was investigated by Texas Rangers and the FBI. An in-depth analysis by a DPS use-of-force expert found no fault with the deputies’ actions.

A grand jury declined to indict Landeros after the Rangers’ investigation, Iglesias said.*

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u/beiberdad69 Dec 01 '22

Hopefully people remember this the next time they want the FBI to come and investigate, they're just more of the same

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u/LebLift Dec 01 '22

Who the fuck are these juries…

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u/ayleidanthropologist Dec 01 '22

Does this expert have a name? They should have to defend that view a little more...

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u/mifaceb921 Dec 01 '22

Every single cop in that department is shitty

Just that department? I would bet that in the majority of police departments in this country, the other cops watching would not have arrested that police officer for assault on the spot.

That man with the phone though, was just looking for trouble when he volunteered to help the police without a lawyer present.

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u/cottonfist Dec 01 '22

Yup, when will people learn never to talk to police or help them. Let them do their own investigations alone because they will fuck you over the minute they get a chance.

They are not your friend, they have no obligation to you, and they are not on your side.

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u/fiendish_five Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

They are not your friend, they have no obligation to you, and they are not on your side

Sounds like my boss & HR at work!

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u/BienGuzman Dec 01 '22

"Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law..."

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u/fiendish_five Dec 01 '22

You should watch the Anthrax Attacks on Netflix.

I am not saying the man wasn't guilty, but you can go from 100% cooperative to a #1 suspect in the matter of minutes, all depending on the lack of evidence that the investigative team may not find.

These videos show that cops are taught to find fault, any fault at all, if at all possible.

Hell, there are so many people overturning wrong convictions from 20-30 years ago because of police brutality. This is just insane.

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u/mullett Dec 01 '22

They aren’t looking for justice they are looking for a conviction. Doesn’t matter who, as long as it’s case closed, fuck everything else. Specially the freedom they are “protecting”.

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u/Avatar_of_Green Dec 01 '22

Absolutely.

I always tell police I don't answer questions without a lawyer and they always shut the fuck up.

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u/BeachLover442 Dec 01 '22

Dun trust cops. Dun talk to cops. They are looking for a reason to arrest you.

Beatings are a regular thing for cops. It's how they have fun.

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u/boston_homo Dec 01 '22

Never never never never never never never ever talk to police nothing good can come from it.

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u/Isair81 Dec 01 '22

Never agree to ’voluntary’ interview with the cops without a lawyer present. They are not your friends and they will do shit like this ON CAMERA if they think they can get away with it.

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u/JoeNoYouDidnt Dec 01 '22

Because they can get away with it.

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u/abz_eng Dec 01 '22

Because they can do get away with it.

The number that actually get charged and convicted of what should be felonies not misdemeanors, is so small in comparison to the actual number, can doesn't do it justice. Can implies a decent percentage are actual held to account (40%?) where do implies the vast majority (90+%) aren't

None of the other officers intervened, they lose the bodycam evidence, they get investigated by their own and they don't get criminally charged like a non-officer would. Even if they should be terminate they resign before they can be so it doesn't show up. There often isn't a state wide reporting authority, to report this to & if there is they do do anything. So they get hired next county over, to repeat the action.

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u/ChaosStar95 Dec 01 '22

The should be a national level database not just state or county level.

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u/Bleedthebeat Dec 01 '22

There’s need to be a Federal department tasked with law enforcement internal affairs.

Every officer involved death gets immediately investigated by a federal investigation with full authority to prosecute on the federal level. Any law broken by a cop should automatically be a federal charge if not a felony.

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u/artemasad Dec 01 '22

Honest question. I see this tips being passed around a lot.

But if I'm an average person Joe, how do I go about to abruptly find a lawyer? Do I just Google for one and pray I find one fast and cheap?

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u/Junk-Punch Dec 01 '22

www.Justia.com is a national database of lawyers, some have free consultation and I'm sure you could find someone in your price range.

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u/Caleth Dec 01 '22

When it comes to lawyers you won't find anyone that's cheap, unless they suck. But they will likely be worth every cent you spend.

Lawyers will keep you from getting accused of something you didn't do when you're foolish enough to "help." They will cut off or shut down lines of questioning not related to the investigation.

They are also a somewhat shield against shit like this. You are a "civilian" lesser, lower, worse than a cop. In their eyes you are a sheep they watch over, if you get uppity many feel they are within their rights to abuse you. You ungrateful swine.

A lawyer is, if not a peer, at least in a related profession and they know that can hurt them. Cops respect power, you have none, the lawyer has some. These cops would never have acted like this with a lawyer in that room. Because they'd have known there would be consequences. The lawyer has power, you do not.

You a buying, renting power when you get a lawyer. Having the power to keep yourself safe.

Always get a lawyer, even if it's $400 you can pay them out over time and keep yourself out of trouble.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

The old saying is "you may beat the rap but you can't beat the ride." Meaning, if cops want to, they will detain/arrest you whether you've done anything to warrant it or not. They can and often do just fabricate some reason. Mostly because their fee fees are hurt you've failed to recognize their authority and dominance over you. American cops do anyway.

Best to simply say: "I don't talk to the police or answer questions without an attorney present." And if need be just keep repeating it. Then the cops have to decide whether to take you in or not to try to force you. Many times they will, just to fuck with you (can't beat the ride). Then you can find a lawyer. Or, best bet is you have a lawyer lined up just in case. I know it sounds stupid but at least you'd have that peace of mind. And then, if anything like that ever happens, you get to enjoy paying money you don't have to a lawyer you shouldn't need because cops are authoritarian cunts who don't give a fuck about the law or your rights.

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u/ThriceFive Dec 01 '22

Yeap we understand you might want to be secure in your person and papers but we're just gonna beat the shit out and take that damn phone as evidence cause f*ck the constitution, right boys? I hope his winning lawsuit is *legendary* and lets him move out of that shithole forever.

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u/Strong-Message-168 Dec 01 '22

Just another reminder that the cops are not your friends, and that your version of doing "the right thing " vs their version are likely totally different...and the idea of rights seems to vanish awfully quick when they go against the blue narrative

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u/Teresa_Count Dec 01 '22

your version of doing "the right thing " vs their version are likely totally different

This is very true. The public and the police are playing very different games. Except the public consistently fails to realize it.

Most people go out of their way to avoid conflict. And part of doing that requires a constant negotiation of little concessions and compromises toward the collective goal of mutual understanding.

Cops prey on this aspect of human nature by manipulating it in their favor. They pretend to be your friend to lull you into the false belief that they too are seeking to resolve conflict via mutual understanding. But they're not. They're trained to put you on the defensive, keep you talking, and then pounce on anything they can get on you.

Different games.

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u/FlatBlackAndWhite Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

The cops names are:

Justin Cody Pierce

Salomon Landeros

Joshua Adam Tipton

The victim is:

Cory Glenn Roland

This happened on March 5th, 2021

You can contact the police department & submit a complaint here:

https://www.nactx.us/FormCenter/Police-5/Nacogdoches-Police-Compliment-or-Complai-44

Edit #1: Public court documents show Cory Roland had suffered a head injury the year prior to the incident involving a gun striking his head accidentally. Due to this, he was already injured prior to this assault. The punches from Salomon Landeros caused memory loss & further injury.

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u/Big_Software_8732 Dec 01 '22

I wonder why he doesn’t trust the County cops

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u/littlerobles88 Dec 01 '22

Cops don’t care about catching the right guy, they just have to catch a guy.

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u/AncientBellybutton Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Cops are sociopaths who don't care if they put the wrong person in jail.

And they demonstrate this every single day.

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u/grant0208 Dec 01 '22

This is standard police procedure at this point and nothing will likely come of it

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u/ReformedScholastic Dec 01 '22

An article said that no charges were ultimately filed and a court ruled that the two who stood by and watched couldn't be sued because of qualified immunity. A case is going forward for the attacker, but the use of force expert for the state has testified he believed it to be justified, so I doubt this will go anywhere unfortunately. It's such bullshit

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u/BNLforever Dec 01 '22

What does it take to be a use of force expert? I'm guessing poor eyesight loose morals and a few friends on the force

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u/betaraybills Dec 01 '22

You probably have to be a retired cop too.

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u/andrewse Dec 01 '22

What does it take to be a use of force expert?

The friendship and support of the officers that you investigate. Law enforcement is one of the most incestuous professions.

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u/FuckoNo5 Dec 01 '22

It is standard police procedure because we ignorantly believed that these people would correct their own issues.

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u/artmobboss Dec 01 '22

Little fucking men..

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u/NinjaRage83 Dec 01 '22

"Fuck you, lawyer. Now."

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u/Level_Ad_6372 Dec 01 '22

Lawyer: "What did I ever do to you?"

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u/Afrojones66 Dec 01 '22

It’s the sixth amendment in the US making it a constitutional right to have a counsel (an attorney).

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u/extremeindiscretion Dec 01 '22

And some people wonder why some won't come forward to help police in an investigation. I know this doesn't happen all the time but it definitely leaves an impression.

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u/kingdrakolas Dec 01 '22

seizing the phone, and then assaulting the man for protecting his property. Imagine paying taxes to fund these idiots.

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u/Burgerpocolypse Dec 01 '22

Living in Texas myself, I can confirm that fucked up behavior pretty normal for cops in this state.

When I was 17, I had a friend (16 at the time) that was over at another friends house fixing the sight on his bb gun, when the kid that lives next door came over uninvited. When my friend that lived there (not the one fixing the bb gun) told him to leave, he got mad and went and told the sheriff that my other friend had pointed the gun at him. First, he literally didn’t, as he was too focused on what he was doing to even care about what was going on when that other kid just showed up, and second, it was literally an unloaded bb gun, but that didn’t stop the cops from arresting him for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, but waiting until he was 17 to formally charge him so they could try him as an adult. He ended up taking a plea for something he didn’t do just because he couldn’t afford decent representation.

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u/therobotisjames Dec 01 '22

Quick reminder: the firefighters in this town have crappier equipment because the city has to pay for this behavior. Cops are creating a tax on local government by getting sued for stupid shit, and your tax dollars go to those lawsuits instead of fixing potholes, buying firefighters new gear, upgrading playground equipment, fixing that hole in the roof at the school, hiring teachers etc.

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u/slaboshmuck Dec 01 '22

Never, EEEEEEVER go out of your way to help the police. They're lazy, dumb and want to do as little work as possible. If they can pin whatever you're "helping" them with, they will.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 Dec 01 '22

There needs to be life sentences for these cops and every cop involved in the cover up. There is no reason these cops should ever see free air. They should design a ADX Florence style Supermax prison specifically for cops.

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u/Actual_Flight_3703 Dec 01 '22

With live stream like big brother

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u/F4RTB0Y Dec 01 '22

Hang em high

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u/PM_your_randomthing Dec 01 '22

Fuck all 3 of those asshole cops. Not one of them stood up against that unlawful attack. That's why all cops are bastards. This is also why you don't fucking help them without a fucking warrant. I hope the man they beat on is ok. Hope he also learned a lesson about doing anything to help cops without a warrant.

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u/Corey713 Dec 01 '22

As I've said before. Fuck the police.

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u/ithaqua34 Dec 01 '22

Let that be a lesson, Never voluntarily help the thugs.

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u/Marco_Polo_2 Dec 01 '22

That's lookin like a fat pay day

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u/KajiGProductions Dec 01 '22

For the pig that’s going to get paid administrative leave probably

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u/Sparticuse Dec 01 '22

I just said this on another thread about cops being overly aggressive:

I know a guy who wanted to be a cop so he went to a bunch of training things and their number 1 highest priority over all other concerns was control.

Police are taught that if they don't have 100% control at ALL times from EVERY civilian, they will lose control and their job will become impossible. They are also trained to always escalate, never de-escalate as de-escalation is seen as giving control to a civilian.

The guy I knew also believed cops have no obligation to know laws. Of any sort. At all. In his mind, a judges exist to correct a cop when they are wrong and any harm the cop causes can be fixed in court.

This is how we get a room of men attacking a man who was helping them. They couldn't control him so they attacked him.

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u/589moonboy Dec 01 '22

Dirty rogue pig shit

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u/Sensitive_Peace_4070 Dec 01 '22

Regulars, not rogues

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u/banana_spectacled Dec 01 '22

Yea let’s be real. This IS the standard and all police are okay with this. If most officers weren’t okay with this, they’d do something about it. But they don’t because they agree with this.

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u/JayJayFromK Dec 01 '22

look at them. they really are criminal gangs. anyone know what’s happened that pigs?

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u/Sharpiebanana Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

That guy should get every red cent these fuckers have in their savings and checking accounts in restitution immediately. Just an idea. Got to be something.

When the punishment for breaking the law actually hits cops personally, maybe cops will FOLLOW THE FUCKIN LAWS.

Edit; better idea. We had off campus lunch at my high school. The attendance policy was 1 free unexcused absence per class, then each unexcused absence was 5% off your final grade at the end of that semester. This was to incentivize not ditching class. A 98 with three unexcused absences would be a 83. Let’s say a cop loses 5% of annual salary for each unlawful act.

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u/MarcoEmbarko Dec 01 '22

And this my dudes and dudettes, is why I feel tyranny is knocking at our door now more than ever!

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u/GrimmOfThrones2187 Dec 01 '22

But don’t encourage violence, it’s against the rules. Just silently tolerate authoritarianism.

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u/fatboy-slim Dec 01 '22

Never get involved kids!

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u/tha_bigdizzle Dec 01 '22

Of course its Texas.

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u/dunkinhoenutz Dec 01 '22

NEVER HELP COPS

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u/TheMightyRaisin Dec 01 '22

ACAB

This is exactly why I will never interact with the police in any way whatsoever. I automatically assume a cop is bad until they prove me otherwise.

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u/qualite_superieure Dec 01 '22

Taya Graham: What is your federal lawsuit contending? What’s the basis of the case?

Corey Roland: Official [inaudible] and assault. And they did an internal investigation, and then they straight up lied on their paperwork on that. In their internal investigation, it says I was non-compliant and he hit me in the right arm and right shoulder to get me to comply. I wasn’t supposed to get the body camera, but I did. So, the guy that’s sitting on the right in the video, he’s a constable for Shelby County, his lawyer kept trying to get him out of the lawsuit said, well, if you watch the video, you can tell he didn’t do anything. My lawyer said, what video? And he said, you don’t have a copy of the video? And he said, no. So, he sent it to me. My lawyer requested it 43 times from Nacogdoches County and they never would give it to him.

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u/avowed Dec 01 '22

This is why we say ACAB, not just some, ALL. Again further reinforcing the statement never talk to cops without a lawyer.