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Biden Pardons Thousands of People Convicted of Marijuana Possession Under Federal Law

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u/Mamacrass Oct 06 '22

In addition to the pardons, Biden said he had instructed Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra and Attorney General Merrick Garland to begin reviewing how marijuana is classified under federal drug laws.

Biden noted that marijuana is currently a schedule one substance under federal drug sentencing guidelines, “the same as heroin and LSD – and more serious than fentanyl,” said Biden. “It makes no sense.”

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u/Talisker28 Oct 06 '22

LSD? Also insane to be schedule 1, meaning it has no recognized medical value or research allowed. Very clearly has been an effective anti depressant for as long as its been around.

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u/Insipid_Pedantry Oct 06 '22

This! Any state legalizing a thing for medical value should instantly invalidate schedule I status, but that’s applying logic to the utter insanity of the drug war

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u/arrouk Oct 06 '22

Forgive me for not fully understanding, I'm not American.

Doesn't federal law over rule state?

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

It's muddy in terms of cannabis. When it was first legalized recreationally in WA/CO it was in direct opposition to the federal government but no one was willing to send in the feds over it; once the tax benefits became apparent and society didn't crumble at the seams due to weed being legal, well... other states followed suit. For a person in one of these states you just can't hold public sector employment or anything that falls under federal jurisdiction (like commercial aviation) if you wish to consume it. Most private sector jobs have acknowledged that they'd lose most of their employees if they don't get with the times. Especially since IT/software development has become more fundamental to WFH and you can be damn sure those guys are all high as a kite.

Generally speaking when there exists a federal law the state level law cannot override it. If no federal law exists on the issue then it's up to the state to legislate. This specifically though kind of just flew in the face of Washington DC with a "how much are you willing to lose?" Mentality.

Edit: Grammar.

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u/Razakel Oct 06 '22

and you can be damn sure those guys are all high as a kite

"We want creative, outside-the-box thinkers!"

"Why do you all do drugs? :("

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits Oct 06 '22

"We want creative, outside-the-box thinkers!"

"Why do you all do drugs? :("

Meanwhile they're drinking through lunch.

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Oct 07 '22

Alcohol good 4 you

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u/ISLAndBreezESTeve10 Oct 07 '22

Alcohol - the cause and solution to all of the world’s problems. - Homer Simpson

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u/DefNotMyNSFWLogin Oct 07 '22

Hey, it's me your cousin religion! Want to go bowling?

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u/montyp3 Oct 07 '22

You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs - Bill Hicks

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u/GoHomeWithBonnieJean Oct 07 '22

As opposed to ...? Do you drink alcohol in any form? Do you take aspirin or acetaminophen for pain relief? How much different is cannabis?

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u/hanerd825 Oct 07 '22

Director of Engineering here.

I assure you my employees are nowhere near as high as a kite.

They’ve reached cruising altitude.

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u/blastermaster555 Oct 07 '22

Flight Level 4 2 0 ?

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u/Flix1 Oct 07 '22

"Hello passensengers this is your captain speaking. Welcome aboard flight 420 destination good times. It's a real great place here so kick back, relax and enjoy the skies."

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u/soulonfire Oct 07 '22

You might be my boss

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u/RandyRandallman6 Oct 07 '22

People really don’t realize how much of tech is driven by psychonauts and stoners. Even the people we know as “tech moguls” are really just business guys who typically are just taking credit for a bunch of mad geniuses work.

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u/allredb Oct 06 '22

Especially since IT/software development has become more fundamental to WFH and you can be damn sure those guys are all high as a kite.

Can confirm, I am kite

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u/SaintJackDaniels Oct 07 '22

Dude. Same. I am also kite

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u/Jaegernaut- Oct 07 '22

I am such a kite that the world flies itself around on a string attached to me.

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u/allredb Oct 07 '22

Now that's kite af

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u/jcutta Oct 07 '22

Most private sector jobs have acknowledged that they'd lose most of their employees if they don't get with the times. Especially since IT/software development has become more fundamental to WFH and you can be damn sure those guys are all high as a kite.

Truth, I think the dispensary is one of the great melting pots. I see people from every walk of life in line.

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u/Juice8oxHer0 Oct 06 '22

I read WA/CO as Waco & I was like “no way in hell Texas legalized while I wasn’t looking

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u/formerlyanonymous_ Oct 06 '22

While they haven't legalized it, they have made certain products legal (mostly hemp based). It's hard to distinguish the THC difference between weed and these hemp based products, which makes it harder for law enforcement to actually arrest users. They can just claim it's hemp.

law firm summary

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u/Perge666 Oct 07 '22

Obligatory fuck D8, legalize marijuana 💯

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u/Juice8oxHer0 Oct 06 '22

Yeah, that’s how it is for us in the other T state, I can walk to the gas station 5 min from my house and buy a D8 cart but god forbid you try to get some flower lmao

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u/Road_Whorrior Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Such bullshit. My last 8th from AZ (just moved to an illegal state) had a nug that had clearly been pollinated. 15 High Octane seeds and I can't do anything with them for fear of prison. Meanwhile, the nearest legal state is 5 hours away and prices are insane because it's the only state in the region that's legalized.

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u/Juice8oxHer0 Oct 07 '22

I mean, it’s only illegal if you get caught (warning: I am not qualified to give legal advise)

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u/vc6vWHzrHvb2PY2LyP6b Oct 07 '22

I'm in Austin, and you wouldn't know it's not legal here. I've seen many people walk around smoking, and I've even seen technically-illegal weed vending machines.

Legally speaking, you can buy THC edibles as well below a certain percentage, so stores just sell you extremely high amounts of edibles so that 2% or whatever it is will get you high.

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u/doobiedog Oct 07 '22

software engineer ... high as a kite

Confirmed. We also drink a lot. Stakeholders we report to are insane ass clowns.

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u/ISLAndBreezESTeve10 Oct 07 '22

Is an ass clown above or below an asshat? Asking for a friend.

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u/krista Oct 07 '22

it's an ass with a bad hat and worse nose. plus a lot of greasepaint.

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u/HamPotatoe Oct 07 '22

Hey, some of us in IT aren't high...because we have toddlers.

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u/nerdmor Oct 06 '22

Non-american here, but I'll say how I understand it, and how it works here on Brazil.

Federal law does overrule state law. But the state is allowed to forbid something that is not guaranteed at the federal level.

So, if Federal Law said that pot possession is not a crime in the federal level, states could still say that it is a crime in their territory.

If Federal Law said that everyone has the RIGHT to smoke a joint in public places, the states couldn't say that it is forbidden - but could still say that it is not allowed near schools, for example.

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u/PhasmaFelis Oct 06 '22

Yes. If a state says that marijuana is legal and instructs police to stop making arrests, the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) still has every legal right to come in and arrest weed-store owners.

Since the current wave of legalization started, though, federal policy (not law, just policy) has been to not do that. The FBI has more important things to do, basically, and anyway drug crimes within a single state are traditionally the state's responsibility, not the FBI's.

They could, technically, change that policy at any time, which does make it sort of scary to be a state-licensed seller. State-approved marijuana businesses have a very hard time getting commercial bank accounts, since there's federal laws against handling money for drug dealers and the banks don't want to risk it coming back on them. Also, if you ever transport weed across state lines--even to a neighboring state which has also legalized it--that's interstate trafficking and officially the FBI's business, so it's not a good idea to, say, grow the shit in Oregon and ship it up to Seattle for distribution.

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u/AlexBurke1 Oct 06 '22

You’re pretty much correct I was just going to point out that it’s whoever is the US attorney general, not the FBI that decides whether or not to enforce a federal law. I think it was Obama’s second AG Holder? that said they would stop raiding weed clubs with the DEA, but until then they were still occasionally getting raided out here in California, even though the cities gave the clubs permits and the State didn’t care. I’ve always been careful about taking weed into National Parks because the rangers will probably enforce the federal laws even in California.

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u/clericalclass Oct 06 '22

Technically yes. However it depends on if the federal government wants to enforce the said law.

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u/arrouk Oct 06 '22

OK that makes a bit more sense now tbh.

So technically cannabis is illegal every where in USA but some states don't enforce it and the federal people have bigger shit to worry about?

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u/wagon153 Oct 06 '22

Yes that's pretty much it. Feds, for the most part, have just been looking the other way and leaving it up to the states to enforce it, if they wish to.

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u/MeatTornadoLove Oct 06 '22

Also there is a question of jurisdiction. ATF, FBI, and DEA can all operate in and outside of US but there aren’t many of them. Majority of federal police are to protect federal property not enforce federal laws. Border protection is a bit more iffy since its technically 100 miles inland from any border which includes the coasts so its pretty grey territory there but nobody in LA is getting popped for federal weed possession.

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u/MaFSotL Oct 06 '22

That is exactly right. Also, the state law enforcement has no legal obligation to enforce federal law.

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u/treefitty350 Oct 06 '22

No legal obligation but the feds can pull funding to states that decide to do what they want.

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u/MaFSotL Oct 07 '22

Exactly, that's a typical way for the federal government to incentivize state governments. Copy this federal law and we send you find to enforce/employ it, otherwise you get nothing

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u/Charnathan Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

I think that this is still a major problem with cannabis in the US. Businesses can not open bank accounts even though it's legal in many states(and business is practically encouraged for the tax income) and it's tolerated federally (for legal states) yet businesses are forced to work with large piles of cash because they are denied access to the banking system.

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u/Razakel Oct 06 '22

The feds generally look the other way, but it makes access to things like banking services difficult for dispensaries.

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u/unlock0 Oct 06 '22

Selective enforcement makes for a situation where corruption is incentivized. Also you also have situations where regulatory capture happens on the state level. See the seed to store laws that all but prohibit small business competition.

They need to make it official already.

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u/Jasader Oct 07 '22

I totally agree with your point here and am adding an addition, not trying to argue.

On the other end there aren't really good tests for people who are using cannabis recreationally but doing jobs where you don't want people to be high. I work in transportation and I've seen dozens of semi-truck drivers get in trouble for marijuana. I can't employ someone who is getting high on their off duty time because I can't differentiate with enough certainty if they were high on duty in case of an accident. I don't want high semi drivers on the road with me, although marijuana is the least of my worries. Not to mention the liability of overcoming a failed drug test in court. My company will be liable every single time even if the other party is at fault.

Weed should obviously be legal, but some professions should be excluded until there is an easy and readily available way to judge a person's inebriation for important jobs.

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u/clericalclass Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22

Well, some states have legalized it. People go into shops and buy it and the shops pay taxes and get registered ect. So the state has legalized it but the federal government has not. But they also are not enforcing in any regular way in those states, except for some black market sellers etc. If it sounds like a mess it is because it is a mess.

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u/CUM_SHHOTT Oct 06 '22

The feds have been known to raid dispensaries in legal states

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u/clericalclass Oct 06 '22

Yeah. That is kinda what I mean by "not in a regular way". It is very unpredictable.

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u/Zoztrog Oct 06 '22

It's technically illegal federally, but states specifically passed laws (not just don't enforce) to make it medically or recreationally legal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

And that's a whole separate layer of fucked up, that our country has a bunch of laws that are too important to repeal, but not important enough to enforce.

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u/dori123 Oct 06 '22

Not always. There are limits on what the federal government can and can't do, so sometimes they do something and the state/s come back and say the fed doesn't have the right to do that.

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u/jdb920 Oct 06 '22

Almost 250 years into this thing and we're still trying to figure that out...

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u/Ok-disaster2022 Oct 06 '22

Yes and no. The US Federal government and state governments operate a "dual sovereign" system. The federal government represents the states internationally, but within the country you can be charged with crimes either in state or federal court. Most often crimes that occur within a single state are state crimes and criminal activity crossing state lines becomes federal to avoid the different states attempting to prosecute the same actions. Some crimes, such as kidnapping and bank robbery, are automatically federal crimes. It's honestly extremely messing, and extremely litigious, but Americans really like laws.

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u/BuckUpBingle Oct 06 '22

There’s a clause in there constitution that specifies that federal law supersedes state law regarding “interstate commerce”. However given how broad of a category that is it’s easy to make an argument that basically everything involves interstate commerce

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u/BFeely1 Oct 06 '22

The reason Fentanyl isn't under Schedule I is in fact because it has an FDA approved use. It's Schedule II along cocaine because it has a high potential for.abuse.

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u/WattebauschXC Oct 06 '22

One step at the time, we don't want the religious maniacs or morality patrols get triggered by too much at once.

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u/TheNewBiggieSmalls Oct 06 '22

here in Colorado we get ads talking about how Vets should take Psychedelics to help treat depression and suicidal thoughts. I personally have seen a boost in mental health after taking psychedelics in the past, those being LSD and mushrooms.

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u/Substantial_Collar78 Oct 07 '22

Actually research is alive and well! John Hopkins in Baltimore even offers psilocybin assisted treatment for various ailments, including smoking, alcoholism and end-of-life anxiety!

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits Oct 06 '22

Pretty much all useful substances are schedule 1 it seems. Most effective way of keeping them from being the subject of scientific research and development.

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u/joanholmes Oct 06 '22

Ok I don't agree with the scheduling for marijuana or LSD or really a lot of schedule 1 drugs but claiming that "all useful substances" are schedule 1 is too much.

Adderall, cocaine, dilaudid, Vyvanse, Ritalin, percocet, fentanyl, hydrocodone, methadone, morphine, phenobarbital, anabolic steroids, codeine, ketamine, xanax, lorazepam, tramadol, and ambien are all scheduled lower and those were just the ones I recognized as useful from the list. For a lot of drugs, the reason that they're not schedule 1 is because they're rather medically useful.

Which I will clarify doesn't mean the opposite is true, plenty of schedule 1 drugs are very useful and should be moved down. But the reality of which drugs are schedule 1 and which ones aren't is stupid and ridiculous enough that there's no need for hyperbole.

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u/PyroDesu Oct 07 '22

Just a note, you've got a duplicate in that list thanks to brand names.

Adderall is amphetamine. Vyvanse is also effectively amphetamine (technically it's a prodrug, but the active compound is the amphetamine metabolite).

Interestingly, methamphetamine is also schedule II, though very rarely prescribed (and in very low doses) for reasons that should be obvious.

(And for the record, Ritalin is methylphenidate, Ambien is zolpidem, Percocet is oxycodone (plus acetaminophen), and Xanax is alprazolam.)

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u/joanholmes Oct 07 '22

I mean, they're duplicates but not thanks to brand names but like you mentioned that Vyvanse is a prodrug. But also I listed them separately because they're listed separately on the drug schedule list and the actual drugs sold are different chemical compound. Which is why a bunch of schedule 1 drugs are also just variations on a theme of MDMA.

Yeah, the schedule list included both generics and common brand names, I included one or the other based on which I had heard used more commonly/thought had a better chance at being recognizable.

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u/MinidonutsOfDoom Oct 06 '22

Eh not really. It was mainly used politically as a way to disenfranchise the people using them by putting them in jail and or slapping them with felony records.

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u/PM_Me_Frosted_Tits Oct 06 '22

Oh I didn't say that was the only reason, it was just a convenient one and the best way to keep it from happening.

The main reason was to facilitate free labor by using the exception clause of the 13th amendment while simultaneously halting the socioeconomic rise of minorities by, as you said, handing everyone a felony (then reducing or maintaining the reduction of rights held by those who carried said charge.)

The drug war was always a sham, utilized by those with agendas and piggybacking off the concerns of American voters to get there.

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u/hurtsdonut_ Oct 06 '22

"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon

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u/MitLivMineRegler Oct 06 '22

You can get special permission for research, bit definitely a lot harder, thus in practice there'll be less research, which can't be good. If for example it may help cluster headaches, then it definitely should be possible to research without too much red tape, but for some reason common sense was not applied to drug scheduling

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u/sixtus_clegane119 Oct 07 '22

Heroin is Schedule 1 even though heroin has legitimate medical uses in a clinical setting.

Schedule one is a political class of drugs that doesn’t follow any logic or reasoning

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u/Josh6889 Oct 07 '22

Our drug scheduling has never made any sense, and it's just one of those things that nobody with power cared enough about to call it out. Until now.

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u/CurryOmurice Oct 06 '22

Thank you for circumventing the NYT paywall for the only paragraphs I care about.

Take my upvote, good sir.

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u/PerInception Oct 06 '22

Schedule 1 literally means “no legit medical use” (according to the federal government). Cocaine and fentanyl have, according to the government, legit medical uses, and are therefore schedule 2.

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u/troubledbrew Oct 06 '22

I was given fentanyl during a medical procedure recently in a hospital. It's just that many people only hear about the illicit stuff in the news and associate the name with that.

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u/Danulas Oct 06 '22

So was I. It probably would have thrown me for a loop if I wasn't already full of propofol.

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u/Onewarmguy Oct 07 '22

Love propofol, excellent pre-op tranquilizer.

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u/landonop Oct 07 '22

I was given some in the ER a couple years ago. It was disorienting how quickly it worked. I almost had a panic attack because I felt so different so immediately.

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u/BatRayz Oct 06 '22

Not sure if they do it for all deliveries, but my wife was given lots in labor, pre-epidural.

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u/poorly_anonymized Oct 07 '22

The epidural itself is usually fentanyl as well.

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u/MarshallStack666 Oct 07 '22

The stuff you got came from a licensed pharmaceutical lab. The stuff on the news came from China in a 55 gallon drum

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u/cranp Oct 07 '22

It's standard for short-term control of severe pain, such as during a colonoscopy or getting pulled out of a car wreck with broken bones.

It's useful for that because it has a very short-term effect.

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u/Nightcat666 Oct 07 '22

I work at a hospital and watched a guy refuse to let the nurse give him fentanyl because of what he had heard about it and assumed that he would OD on it. This is despite it being in a hospital, prescribed by a doctor, and confirmed by a pharmacist.

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u/BFeely1 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

And everything under Schedule II has severe penalties if diverted.

Schedule I isn't a severity schedule but a catch-all for all unapproved drugs with a significant abuse potential.

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u/mark5hs Oct 06 '22

This. When the controlled substances act was passed, cocaine was commonly used in nasal procedures as a vasoconstrictor and anesthetic. Hence it has a more permissive designation than marijuana, which did not have any medical use at the time.

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u/omglollerskates Oct 07 '22

Fentanyl, in carefully controlled doses in a medical setting, is a very useful drug. It’s fast, potent, and wears off quickly, which makes it ideal for sedation. It’s actually less euphoric than dilaudid. It’s a “clean” opiate in that it doesn’t interact with many drugs, or cause as much nausea and other side effects.

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u/Razakel Oct 06 '22

There are even stronger opioids than that. You will never see them unless you're performing surgery on an elephant.

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u/Zebrasoma Oct 06 '22

Really it’s just most exotic hoofstock. I get stressed by even touching the box.

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u/Andrew8Everything Oct 06 '22

I really wish they'd done this before the midterms started ramping up, but great news nonetheless.

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u/ToastyNathan Oct 06 '22

Thats just how politics are. Expect things to get done either just before or just after elections. The rest of the time is posturing.

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u/iama_bad_person Oct 06 '22

They did this BECAUSE the midterms are ramping up.

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u/bearcerra Oct 06 '22

That guy is like my dads second cousin

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u/JimMcGill Oct 06 '22

I’ll smoke to that!

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u/randomassdude89 Oct 06 '22

I’ll smoke to anything

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u/MacbookOnFire Oct 07 '22

I’ll smoke to this guy smoking to anything

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u/Shigeru_Tarantino- Oct 06 '22 Silver hehehehe

LET'S GROW Brandon!

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u/Coolbluegatoradeyumm Oct 07 '22

I wish I wasn’t on a weed break due to wanting a new job and having to pass drug tests cuz otherwise I’d smoke to that too

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u/TchaikenNugget Oct 06 '22

I think this is the stupidest thing that I've laughed at this week. Well played.

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u/Ironlord456 Oct 06 '22 Wholesome

It’s reported that Biden’s pardon will only affect about 7K people, but this is a huge important first step toward decriminalization and legalization. Biden going from being one of the hardest strictest drug warriors, to pardoning weed users is huge and important. This is a big win, it is also sad that this won’t imply to people with “intent to distribute”, many people had “intent to distribute” slapped on them simply for the color of their skin. I have been a vocal critic of Biden but this is huge and wonderful

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u/jb_esquire Oct 06 '22

Yes, if this had applied to "with intent" convictions, it would apply to hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people.

Still a huge first step, as you said.

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u/OlinOfTheHillPeople Oct 06 '22

Pot charges are rarely federal. That's why the number is low.

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u/jckiser23 Oct 07 '22

I did hear he is working with governors to pardon people in prison for state charges of marijuana.

Absolutely ridiculous when you say it out loud that someone would be put in a cage for smoking a plant.

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u/SayerofNothing Oct 07 '22

Not so ridiculous for those making and selling the cages.

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u/Trimblco2 Oct 07 '22

It's huge for a bunch of people who were charged in DC, maybe even more than all the federal cases.

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u/237FIF Oct 07 '22

That and the fact that possession alone is a very minor charge in most places. If only becomes a problem when it’s possession + another crime or if it creates an opportunity for an otherwise unwarranted search.

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u/hyooston Oct 07 '22

Not really because it’s just federal convictions meaning it had to happen on federal property. It’s a tiny sliver

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u/BoxedIn4Now Oct 06 '22

Do you have a good source for these stats? I want more.

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u/anotherrroom Oct 07 '22

I always appreciate when someone can recognize a good move on the part of a candidate they have been outspokenly against. Good on you for not being, uh... one of the other types of people.

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u/danc4498 Oct 06 '22

Even if it affected 10 people, it's still something that should happen.

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u/Peekloo Oct 06 '22

It seemed nuts to me that we were freaking out about Russia putting American basketball players in jail for weed....when we were doing the same damn thing to our own people.

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u/CrossCuntryTours Oct 06 '22

It's crazy to straddle state lines where it's legal in one state but not another. Like, one foot over this line and all of a sudden I have a criminal record.

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u/daabilge Oct 07 '22

It's a bit weird as a kid who grew up in Michigan and now lives in Ohio. I used to live about 45 minutes from the border in Southeast MI and now I live about an hour from the border in Northeast OH.

There would be signs at the state border advertising fireworks that were illegal in Michigan but legal in Ohio, always "at state minimum prices" and my neighbors would drive down to Ohio ahead of holidays to buy illegal fireworks.

Now there's signs right at the border going into Michigan advertising "the lowest legal prices" on recreational weed and my neighbors drive up to Michigan for holidays to stock up on weed.

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u/gophergun Oct 07 '22

Yeah, but that's kind of the whole thing about states.

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u/Razorback_Yeah Oct 06 '22

Still are; this was a very thin slice of the pie.

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u/richielaw Oct 07 '22

This is the only thing a Dem has ever done that I've seen praised over at /r/conservative. Wow.

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u/arj1985 Oct 07 '22

There are more things that bind us together in this country then things that divide us.

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u/FormerFetus2 Oct 07 '22

… yet the things that bind us are all generally established policies of the left.

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u/voidiuss Oct 06 '22

Now legalize it

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u/jb_esquire Oct 06 '22

Indeed! It's way overdue.

It would be cool if he pardoned non-violent offenders convicted of possession with intent to distribute, too. That would be a much larger group of people than he pardoned here.

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u/Caymonki Oct 07 '22

And I will advertise it.

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u/jnemesh Oct 06 '22

It's a start. Hopefully he fully decriminalizes.

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u/Joshatron121 Oct 07 '22

I don't think he can but this also included instructions for the AG to look into Reclassification, which could end up in legalization, then he could pardon people with intent to distribute. Most state governments would probably be pressured into doing the same.

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u/LucidDose Oct 06 '22

Revolutionary, incredible news

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u/MagicMurse Oct 07 '22

Dank Brandon arises

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u/rexpimpwagen Oct 06 '22

Dank Brandon rises.

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u/SilverNicktail Oct 06 '22 Bless Up

So just to recap:

Democrat policies - decriminalization of victimless crime, climate action, infrastructure spending

Republican policies - Christofascism

Your move, Americans.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum Oct 06 '22

“Sure Biden’s demonstrably making life better for working people, but what happens when a child rape victim doesn’t want to deliver her rapists baby and is treated like a human!

Is that the America you want to live in?”

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u/robotzombiez Oct 07 '22

Won't someone please think of the taco trucks?

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u/PotahtoSuave Oct 07 '22

And God forbid that child is gay

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u/rSLCModsRfascist Oct 06 '22

Only one president ever tried to do anything about it and he was pretty successful but he got a blow job so we had to destroy all his hard work.

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u/Austoman Oct 06 '22

To be fair, he repealed Glass-Steagall which made for a pretty easy economic rise when banks started investing personal savings accounts into the market. Not hard to see economic growth when you toss every americans' savings into the economy.

Brief summary: after the great depression the gov made it illegal for an investment bank to also be a savings bank. This was to keep americans savings safe from market movements and bankruptcies that occured in the great depression. This was called the Glass-Steagall act.

Bill Clinton repealed the act during his time as president and the country 'suddenly' saw the largest economic rise in american history. The primary reason for it was banks were now allowed to be both a savings bank and investment bank. Therefore they were now allowed to take billions of americans savings and invest it into the market to make capital gains from these investments.

This is why banks can give you 2 to 3% earnings on your savings account as they are likely making 7% from it. Its also part of why most finance professionals say dont save money, invest it, because the banks will invest it anyway. (Also inflation causes your savings to lose value over time).

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u/ever-right Oct 06 '22

To be fair, he repealed Glass-Steagall

He didn't repeal shit. He was president when a majority Republican Congress repealed it.

Now in the interests of full honesty, which you failed to do by describing it as repealed by Clinton, Democrats didn't exactly stand up to oppose the repeal. It's true they were the bulk of the no votes to repealing it (~90% of the no votes from both chambers came from Democrats) but overall Democrats were also still in favor of repealing it.

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u/rSLCModsRfascist Oct 06 '22

Wow I appreciate this info very much. Though I wasn't talking economy rising so much as debt reducing policy.

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u/Riversntallbuildings Oct 06 '22

What banks are paying 2-3% on savings accounts?!!!

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u/gophergun Oct 07 '22

A lot of online banks will. Ally's a popular one, but I get 2.75% through Bask.

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u/iWillNeverReplyToYou Oct 06 '22

The classic midterm spite vote happens like clockwork. It's not a coincidence that OPEC decided to announce they're cutting the supply of oil this month.

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u/BlueBelleNOLA Oct 06 '22

That's so obnoxious, you know it's really about Saudi Arabia's relationships with the Trumps

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u/rconscious Oct 06 '22

Also Democrat policies: Freedom to choose, freedom in general

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u/Govt-Issue-SexRobot Oct 06 '22

Yeah but if you change the letters it becomes demon rats

Therefore, I’m definitely voting republican

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u/madredr1 Oct 06 '22

BuT mUh GaS pRiCeS

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u/snailfighter Oct 06 '22

I hate how people have no sense of time and space with the economy.

Gas prices were rising before Biden got into office. The economy doesn't shift overnight. All of our inflation is fallout from Trump, the pandemic, and even before that.

Are there things going on that are continuing to contribute? Sure. But in the short term, raising interest rates is the best they can do without completely tanking and resetting the economy whoch would massacre the middle and poor classes. At least Biden took a bite out of the gas prices by negotiating a temporary oil production increase. His office is pushing for alternative power sources while still encouraging car manufacturers to prioritize building vehicles on American soil (see adjustment to tax rebate on electric vehicles).

He passed major legislation for the environment and now he's working on unjust drug laws.

But Republicans just plug their ears and close their eyes and pretend they don't see the positive growth because they can't fathom the reality that the side that supports their religion without question or ethics is using that support to buy their votes.

Let's go, Dark Brandon.

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u/Zoztrog Oct 06 '22

That's why they hate democracy so much. They want a dictator so they don't have to think. They really want to live in a country where no one votes including themselves, it's too hard.

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u/Schwiliinker Oct 06 '22

Extreme inflation? Laughs in my family living in Argentina

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u/Fluffy-Impression190 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

bOtH SiDeS ArE EqUAllY BaD!

Even when spongetexting I need to clarify this is sarcasm? Smh

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u/_C-R-E-A-M_ Oct 06 '22

*Democratic policies

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u/Josh6889 Oct 07 '22

Republican policies - Christofascism

I'm continually amazed that there's enough people left who are stupid enough to support this.

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u/4354574 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Biden finally got over his ‘gateway drug’ fears. Common in the Silent Generation. It totally can be a gateway drug, but if you’re in that mindset, so can alcohol, mild opiates etc.

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u/HolyCloudNinja Oct 07 '22

Rough living is the gateway drug. And that in itself is a broad topic. Trauma, depression, homelessness, etc. can all lead to harder use. Hell, those kinds of negative mental influences are the gateway to weed and alcohol abuse themselves 90% of the time.

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u/Dumpster_slut69 Oct 07 '22

Agree, if anything the fact that it's illegal makes it more of a gateway drug then if it was a legal drug. If alcohol was illegal, than it could be considered a gateway drug to harder stuff.

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u/OkMint Oct 07 '22

"gateway drug" sounds so archaic now. There are dozens of different factors as to why a person may use drugs. The notion of "well I tried weed, might as well do heroin now" makes zero sense.

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u/champaignegramps Oct 06 '22

This is a big deal for dems if we legalize nationally this hurts the prison system severely and republicans will have less incentive to pass bad faith policies to generate more prisoners.

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u/itwasquiteawhileago Oct 06 '22

They won't need excuses down the road they're on. Nothing more than "you're unAmerican" or something, anyway, for daring to not vote for the fascist GOP. Drugs were an easy way to do it. Once that's gone, they'll just abandon the need for a reason. I mean, see what they're doing with voting. Can't get enough legit votes because people hate your policies? Block a bunch through any means possible instead. If you can't win, cheat!

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u/Blk-cherry3 Oct 07 '22

Finally, someone is correcting an injustice forced upon the legal system.

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u/CrumbsAndCarrots Oct 06 '22

As a Californian I forget that the rest of the country is still dealing with this

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u/alienlost77 Oct 07 '22

As a Michigander I forget that the rest of the country is still dealing with this

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u/anti_nationalism Oct 07 '22

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

John Ehrlichman, to Dan Baum for Harper's Magazine in 1994, about President Richard Nixon's war on drugs, declared in 1971

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century

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u/_Dr_Bette_ Oct 06 '22

They are gearing up to nationalize legalization of marijuana!!!!!! You want legality and safety and regulation of substances? Then vote folks - cause if this is happening it means that if we can get enough non-fascists into office and enough fascists out of office we have a chance to do great things. If Biden can change enough from his old Neoliberal ways to do this - there is HOPE!

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u/jb_esquire Oct 06 '22

Could be! I was, frankly, quite surprised he did this.

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u/StalinsLoveChild Oct 06 '22

He's preparing to decriminalize it federally, which is an executive action. This doesn't mean it is legal nor does it mean you can't be arrested by a state where it is illegal. The Democrats have already tried to force the states to legalize it, which is a legislative process, and the Republicans voted it down in the Senate.

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u/Teddy_Icewater Oct 06 '22

I'm not. He gets the voters brownie points for making a pro marijuana move without messing up anything about the system. But that day will come. There's a sweeping wave of reform happening state level on it and that's what really counts.

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u/BlueBelleNOLA Oct 06 '22

I'm not either. If there's anything the man understands it's how to gauge the public's readiness for things and what he's capable of doing about it.

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u/Teddy_Icewater Oct 06 '22

When you live on capitol hill for 50 years you learn a thing or two about constituents along the way.

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u/Ghost_Of_DELETED Oct 06 '22

brownie points

heh.

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u/cobrachickenwing Oct 06 '22

He saw what happened to Canada and Canada did not turn to a narco wasteland. Also jailing for possession is expensive in the long run.

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u/CamoShortsKid Oct 07 '22

Let's start handing out joints to and puffing joints with those waiving their Let's Go Brandon flags. Make amends!

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u/mxpx77 Oct 06 '22

Save us Dank Brandon!! ❤️

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u/BillyBobBanana Oct 07 '22

I'm in the middle of a crowded restaurant, and a little "yaaaaaay" escaped my lips

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u/bobthehills Oct 07 '22

Good first step. What’s next?

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u/Akriyu Oct 07 '22

Now the rest please.

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u/DanGlnFury Oct 07 '22

Crazy it even went this far. It's just weed..

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u/Howyanow10 Oct 07 '22

Common sense finally prevails.

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u/washedupmx Oct 07 '22

The most any president has done to directly effect my life! thank you Biden!

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u/creaturemangler Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 14 '22

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u/monstdeleon Oct 06 '22

Nice to see people pardoned for marijuana rather than their loyalty to Trump.

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u/GrandmasTableMints Oct 07 '22

Legalization would help with our opioid crisis, especially with chronic pain patients.

I have to take tramadol every single day for pain, but I haven't needed escalation of meds because of cannabis. It medicates me enough to be comfortable.

I'm actually nervous for this month because I'm supposed to go into pain management, but many pain management places won't treat you if you use cannabis, thus driving pain patients to the streets to find relief.

If I'm denied pain management and a continuation of my tramadol, I'll have to go to the streets to medicate.

This is America.

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u/DLiltsadwj Oct 06 '22

Was it common for fed cops to bust people for a joint? Or even a quarter pound?

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u/KoolBlaze369 Oct 07 '22

Watch people spin this as Biden pardoning the worst of the worst type of criminal lol

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u/I_make_rap_to_U Oct 07 '22

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!

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u/SurplusZ Oct 07 '22

Everybody liked that.