r/WhitePeopleTwitter Oct 07 '22

Anti-Capitalist

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/DragonSpiritAnimal Oct 07 '22

I just wish there was a way to empower people and mobilize together that didn't crimes against humanity as the propellent you know? This is true, so how do we get people to act?

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u/The-Nic Oct 07 '22

To be fair billionaires don't really "work"

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u/Nath_BTw Oct 07 '22

But they worked to start the companies we now use

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u/kimjongk80 Oct 07 '22

With $100k+ personal loans from daddy’s wallet. They don’t work, they buy the resources and pay other people to build them a company with their name on it.

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u/Recent-Potential-340 Oct 07 '22

Billionaires didn't work for their company, the myth of the billionaire who started is a garage is just that, a myth, most billionaires were given money by family or friends, or had their company invested in by friends of their family , I don't call that working.

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u/BrownenWind Oct 07 '22

Do you really believe that?

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u/Darkwing_Turducken Oct 07 '22

"Work" is bearing a lot more load in one of those statements than it is the other.

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u/Gerbil_Prophet Oct 07 '22

Look, I'm no fan of billionaires, but if Elon Musk stopped "working", people would notice. Either because he considers his tweeting work, and would stop tweeting, or his tweeting would would skyrocket, no longer constrained by "worktime".

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u/AlterEdward Oct 07 '22

The current projects would run just fine, and to completion. You just might not get any new projects.

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u/Dwovar Oct 07 '22

You'd get plenty of new products, Musk just wouldn't buy his way into "Founder" status of a promising new technology, and it would actual work.

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u/essentialrobert Oct 07 '22

He's only a Founder as in the race of Deep Space Nine changelings that want to dominate the galaxy and break simple humanoids of our love of freedom.

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u/hecatesoap Oct 07 '22

Which brings up an ever-present question for me. Why do billionaires want to go to space when under-sea is exponentially more mysterious?

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u/TimminyJimminy Oct 07 '22

Can you be my best friend?
I've always been shouting this and everyone laughs at me.

James Cameron did it for funsies, but with Musk/Bezos money they could have a lair at the bottom of the Marianas Trench

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u/ExistentialReckning Oct 07 '22

Because when they're done destroying the planet to enrich themselves, they need somewhere to escape to.

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u/UnusedData Oct 07 '22

they had us in the first half, not gonna lie

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u/lake_huron Oct 07 '22

Some less douchey guy in the company could take over and they company would do just fine.

We'd notice because the average Twitter statement would get slightly less stupid.

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u/GammSunBurst Oct 07 '22

Most of them don’t really work anymore. Some of them inherited their wealth so they never truly did.

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u/Almacca Oct 07 '22

LOL. He thinks billionaires work.

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u/SiriusBaaz Oct 07 '22

That the point dude. They don’t work or contribute to society in any meaningful way beyond sucking up all the world resources.

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u/mystik77777777 Oct 07 '22

If they didn’t inherit it or get into a position of power they at least had to work for it at some point in life.. to be fair Edit: but then there’s me who got a fat inheritance and spent it all on drugs within 5 months, don’t do that unless you wanna perpetuatually hate yourself

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u/New_Muscle_6952 Oct 07 '22

The ultimate anti-Randian post.

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u/digital_disposition Oct 07 '22

Billionaires don't work already. Sure they say they work so much but work to them is wake up and answer some emails, go into the office for a couple meetings, then go golf with some other billionaire to talk about how you two can exchange your money between your businesses to make more money.

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u/ShadetheMystic Oct 07 '22

Working at what? I'm pretty sure that by now, Jeff Bezos doesn't even bother to swim in his money bin anymore. He hires Guatemalan kids to do it for him, and then pays them in TikTok exposure and thumbs-ups.

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u/ToiletProduction Oct 07 '22

Romans used to do this interesting thing where poor people would leave the city to protest against rich peoples bullshit , they would go live in the woods leaving nobody to work for the rich ones .

Eventually rich ones would starve and would cave in to the protestors demands .

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u/mystik77777777 Oct 07 '22

When they “caved” like how so? I’m just actually curious cuz they could stop but then I’m not really sure how the people who protested would benefit as they’d have to do even more for themselves and eventually wish they had things that wouldn’t even exist if rich people hadn’t funded them

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u/ToiletProduction Oct 07 '22

Poor people would work for them selves and rich people anyway . Once rich people get too demanding and pressuring poor - poor ones can go in the fking woods and work less to have more .

Only rich ones are suffering obviously.

You should read about this .

It was actually amazing that they came up with this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessio_plebis

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

What would happen with Microsoft if Bill Gates vanished?

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u/Yellow-man-from-Moon Oct 07 '22

The year of the Linux desktop!!!

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

So true brother

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u/Seigmoraig Oct 07 '22

Considering how Gates doesn't actually work at Microsoft anymore, probably not much

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

So he spontaneously generates money by not working? True innovator he is.

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u/Seigmoraig Oct 07 '22

i dont even know what that means, sorry

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u/srt2366 Oct 07 '22

Get taken over by a billionaire?

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

So how exactly do they provide those jobs if literally nothing changes if they vanish?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

they provide the jobs by paying for them

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

Where do they get this money from?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

by selling goods and services to customers

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

And who makes those goods and services?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

the workers, that's what they are getting paid for. But just making them is not the end of the story

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

So what are billionaires for again?

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u/emper0rfabulous Oct 07 '22

You're right! After the goods are made, they have to be distributed. By other workers.

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u/compsciasaur Oct 07 '22

Well, Gates hasn't been the CEO in quite some time. Bad example.

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u/betothejoy Oct 07 '22

Or perhaps, the perfect example

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u/BrownenWind Oct 07 '22

Only because we think we do and because not enough people simultaneously decide to change the system. If that is because people are Lazy or don't want to change is up to debate.

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u/veselin465 Oct 07 '22

I hate to be that person, but if all billionaires on earth stop working as well as all billionaire's workers except as many as there are billionaires, the same outcome would occur.

I understand that this is supposed to be motivational speech, but it basically claims that 1 person doesn't do as much as several thousand (or even millions) other people.

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u/Mr_InTheCloset Oct 07 '22

almost all billionaires had lots of money to fall back on even in the beginning, their risks are much less huge than thought

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u/ShirtLegal6023 Oct 07 '22

There is an old saying, "the rich only get richer, and the poor only get poorer" The quote is not about the obvious, but about how easy it is to get richer by alrdy being rich. Who can afford buying houses or investing in stocks? Not the poor certainly not. So they buy all the houses and rent em to the poor people who will hardly get to buy one

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u/VacuouslyUntrue Oct 07 '22

What huge risks did they really take. What would have happened to them if they failed? Nothing really. They all used not at arms length equity finance.

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Try starting a business and get back to me. I know people who have tried and failed to start businesses who have lost all their retirement savings. Sure some people have good support networks, wealthier families and friends than others. Then again some don’t.

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u/VacuouslyUntrue Oct 07 '22

Sure, but your friends didnt use the tried and tested method of coming from a family with money. Thats the real trick to having a successful business. No risk. If you fail try again.

The big business boys did use this method.

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22

I also have friends who were successful in business who started from nothing. Mystical unicorns I guess.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/LouisWillis98 Oct 07 '22

You think it’s the billionaire inventing the electric car and not the people who work for them?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/LouisWillis98 Oct 07 '22

I think you have an incorrect assumption on what billionaire do, you think Musk is in the auto shop building his cars, testing, and developing them?

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u/evilocto Oct 07 '22

God you have a lot to learn.

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u/Mjr_N0ppY Oct 07 '22

Bill Gates was not a Billionaire when he developed Microsoft, Jeff Bezos was not a Billionaire when he created Amazon, Zuckerberg was not a Billionaire when he started Facebook, the German guy that invented the PC was no Billionaire. Was Isaac Newton a Billionaire when he discovered Physics?

Most inventions come from regular people who are experts in their fields. Not many of which have been Billionaires or even became Billionaires in their lifetime.

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u/VacuouslyUntrue Oct 07 '22

All of the people you mentioned had generational wealth and patrons to finance them.

Im sure at one point all of them did something useful but none of them were doing anything useful by the time they became billionaires. Except newton because he was never a billionaire, and also didnt invent physics.

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u/Mjr_N0ppY Oct 07 '22

Catherine Hettinger - inventor of the fidget spinner

John Walker - inventor of matches

Inoue Daisuke - inventor of the karaoke machine

Ron Klein - inventor of the magnetic strip for credit cards

Nick Holonyak Jr. - inventor of LED and quantum well lasers

Laszlo Biro - inventor of ball-point pens

Douglas Engelbart - inventor of the computer mouse

Jonas Salk - inventor of the polio vaccine

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u/VacuouslyUntrue Oct 07 '22

And what did all of these people become wealthy enough to go to space, and write legislation? People invent things. That's totally fine. Its the obscene wealth and power that sometimes follows thats the issue.

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u/Mjr_N0ppY Oct 07 '22

The point was that only billionaires invent products. That I debunked. Now you say "well yeah they NOW have billions to fly to space with" that's quite far off the initial point.

As far as I know only one of them got 2 Million for the ball pen but only after his company failed and Bic bought the patent off of him.

The fidget spinner woman lost the patent because she couldn't afford the 400$ to renew it, so she never saw a penny for her invention.

The one who invented the pc mouse got it janked out of his hands by the company he was working for at the time, so he didn't see any compensation for that either.

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u/Poro114 Oct 07 '22

What would exactly happen if Jeff Bezos vanished?

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u/compsciasaur Oct 07 '22

The shareholders would appoint a new CEO. Who might be a billionaire, might not.

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u/mystik77777777 Oct 07 '22

I commented a similar opinion and lowkey wanna delete my comment just because I want these opinions to be considered as they are a major factor but yk it’s white people Twitter lol

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u/hjablowme919 Oct 07 '22

When this guy says "Stop Working" does he mean all billionaires completely divest themselves of any holdings, sell it all for cash and just spend all day counting their money? Because I am pretty sure people would notice when the stock market crashes and no one is investing any money in any businesses.

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u/lake_huron Oct 07 '22

But...but...Atlas Shrugged!!!

Remind me of this entry from the Jargon File:

lion food: n.

[IBM] Middle management or HQ staff (or, by extension, administrative drones in general). From an old joke about two lions who, escaping from the zoo, split up to increase their chances but agree to meet after 2 months. When they finally meet, one is skinny and the other overweight. The thin one says: “How did you manage? I ate a human just once and they turned out a small army to chase me — guns, nets, it was terrible. Since then I've been reduced to eating mice, insects, even grass.” The fat one replies: “Well, I hid near an IBM office and ate a manager a day. And nobody even noticed!”

Source: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/lion-food.html

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u/mystik77777777 Oct 07 '22

Although who would provide jobs, who could fund things or help the poor.. i am poor and from my own personal experience I’ve been offered more opportunity and have had gained a lot more from the rich than the poor even if I have to work for it in an “unfair” way… Pls no hate just being devils advocate, I’m normally terrified to give my opinion on political type posts lol

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u/aZamaryk Oct 07 '22

Two weeks. That's roughly how long we need to stop working to collapse the us economy. They'd probably scream like little bitches in 5 days time.

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u/TemporaryLaughter Oct 07 '22

so…let’s stop working…”but what about..” no. shut up, you want things to change, you’ll have to sacrifice some shit to get it. otherwise it’s a never ending cycle of complain->do nothing->complain->do nothing. all while they continue to get richer. this is a fight we need to start now or we’re fucked!

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u/Tiny-Peenor Oct 07 '22

Covid proved that

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u/Only_Clever-IRL Oct 07 '22

The whole ridiculous premise behind Atlas Shrugged is if the rich stopped working then society collapses. But what work/contribution did John Galt actually provide?

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u/PeleAsAComedian Oct 07 '22

Angry Ayn Rand noises intensify

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u/BentoSpinzone Oct 07 '22

So what's step one? Pick a billionaire and he'll give me some money?

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u/A3HeadedMunkey Oct 07 '22

Organize. Demand representation in the workplace and take over given how little they contribute beyond owning where labor takes place. Every dollar of profit that doesn't go to the workers as compensation is stolen. Wages aren't enough and that's by design. Otherwise we wouldn't have billionaires or employees working the equivalent of 5 workers a decade ago because "the company can't afford it" despite said owners still making more than you.

  • Karl Marx, paraphrased

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Ahh yes Karl Marx, and what do you call every dollar of wage that goes to the corrupt state is that also stolen? We’re cool with that I assume.

Many people who are not billionaires rely on dollars becoming profits for companies for things like retirement income. I’d take that any day over socking away cash or trusting the government to pay for my retirement.

And when corporations are as big as they are now, you can afford to pay a ceo a relatively large sum and can’t afford to increase workers salaries by a significant amount. It’s just math.

For example the numbers aren’t exact but:

McDonald’s CEO makes 20 million. McDonalds has over 1 million team member. If you increase each team members salary by $1 an hour that’s at least $1 million dollars per hour. If we assume 30% of these workers are 40 hours per week, that’s $300k x 40 hours x 52 weeks/year which is $624 million per year from just full time workers.

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u/A3HeadedMunkey Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Bruh, WE are the state. Corruption comes along with corporate sponsorship a la funding as well as the separation we've allowed to keep going on since the founding of our "democracy" that keeps oligarchs and their families in positions of power instead of actually having representatives that demonstrate their ability to lead and/or think through legislation. I'd like for my tax dollars to go towards social welfare, not bombs. Communism also says we should sieze the means of governance back from those people as well. Sorry that your only exposure is Soviet era Red Scare propaganda, but we've all moved past that, you should too.

Yeah, getting rid of pensions and tying retirement to stock values is an insane idea brought about by capitalism.

It doesn't matter the amount, they don't deserve a wage without labor. Stop arguing for the ones who are robbing you. Also, we know that McDonalds pays well in European countries with unions that fight against the race to the minimum wage, and their food costs are comparable to here. What are you even trying to do? Lmao

Sorry for the delayed response, I said a naughty word and my original post got shadowed

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u/compsciasaur Oct 07 '22

McDonald's has about 20,000 employees according to Wikipedia. Giving a living wage to the ones who don't already make it would be a pittance.

But I also disagree with the dumb idea that C-suite executives aren't "workers" just because they don't make fries.

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u/A3HeadedMunkey Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Nobody says that C-Suite execs aren't workers by nature of the title alone. If they are doing labor to actually manage the organization, they're doing far more than CEOs do. But there are pointless positions that exist as pre-retirement for people who have "achieved success" and do nothing beneficial to the company other than tell others to do the jobs they're already doing, they are not workers. There is value in the people who do things to actually manage, but we have an entirely bloated system that rewards nepotism and shirking of duties, which is antithetical to labor. It goes all the way down as well. There are people who ride off the work of others at every level, and it would be a hell of a lot better if we actually had a say in our work environments and could get those people reprimanded/fired instead of waiting for HR to finally give a damn once they hurt the company's profitability to such an extent that it finally affects them.

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u/Firestar222 Oct 07 '22

We need to reward hard work and innovation. That’s the good side of capitalism. Problem is, that’s not how it works anymore and it hasn’t for a long time. The system is rigged. If the billionaires were giving back as much as their apologists would like us to believe, they wouldn’t have accumulated billions of dollars now would they? 😬 I understand your point about being able to pay CEOs easier than workers, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right way to do things. If a company business model doesn’t include a living wage for ALL their full time employees, (I mean one where they can all retire and pay for a home and their kids school) frankly your business should fail. It doesn’t belong in America because it makes us weaker as a people. To respond to your stock point, consider that whether intentional or not, the end result of stocks is to take the benefits of company profits away from those doing the work, and give it to those who didn’t, yet again. Stockholder boards regularly work agains the interests of the employees of the company they hold stock in.

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u/InevitableCapital Oct 07 '22

Many people who are not billionaires rely on dollars becoming profits for companies for things like retirement income. I’d take that any day over socking away cash or trusting the government to pay for my retirement.

Why though?

Social security has far lower overhead costs than charities or private plans. I don't remember the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure it was over 99% of social security money going directly to the people eligible for social security. It's mostly automated anyway so administering it is pretty easy and there is a reason you never read stories about people on SS being scammed out of their retirement, because that just doesn't happen.

What a terrible example to use?!

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Time value of money. You give your money to the government. They’re broke. Not just broke, in massive debt so that money you give them is actually losing money. They spend it immediately. You get no return on your retirement investment other than principal.

Funds charge fees yes. Many though are minuscule like ETFs, but you can expect to earn a % return per year much higher than the fees charged.

That being said I’m not arguing against social security, I think it’s a necessary program. There’s a reason though that people feel it’s necessary to have other sources of income too.

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u/InevitableCapital Oct 07 '22

The government running a deficit is a purely political consequence though. There are plenty of european social democracies that actually run a surplus budget and have done so for decades, while providing much better public services to the general population.

Your argument is far too simplistic and almost naive. The government isn't a black and white kind of thing, most of what the government does are just varying shades of grey. In some areas it does a good job and in other areas it shows clear defincies, the same is true for the market aswell.

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22

Right, the us government doesn’t know how to manage money. Therefore I consider giving them money with a promise they’ll give it back to me in 30 years naïve and a poor investment. Arguments can be simple.

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u/InevitableCapital Oct 07 '22

But social security is a reliable program and has been for almost 100 years now, it's extremely cost effective and there really is no reason to assume that would change in the future.

I understand that billions/trillions of dollars being unaccounted for by the Pentagon or the MIC in general can lead to skepticism, but there are plenty of services the government provides that are essential to a functioning society (police, fire insurance, public transit, infrastructure, pensions, unemployment insurance, labor laws, broadly regulating the market to prevent abuse or fraud, etc..).

It's always sensible to debate ways of optimizing systems, but your argument of "the government is inefficient in some areas, therefore we shouldn't fund it at all." just doesn't strike me as reasonable at all.

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u/Isodragon420 Oct 07 '22

I never said we shouldn’t fund the government at all, that was an argument you made up.

If social security is so reliable, why do you consider pensions a necessary government service? And if you are pro pension, how do you think pension funds remain solvent? They stay solvent by investing in companies via the stock market. Oh wow we just figured out it’s not just billionaires who benefit from labor in a capitalist society.

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u/InevitableCapital Oct 07 '22

Social security provides pensions to people of old age, that's what I meant by it being a necessary government service. I don't know where you get all the rest from.

We don't need to speculate about that either. In the 1930s, before SS was established, there were millions of old americans who had no income at all, with many of them homeless and effectively near the point of starvation. If you actually study this part of american history you would realize that many people died from poverty. There was no SS or unemployment insurance back then, people were literally starving or near starvation.

I see no utility in replaying history over and over again. SS wasn't established for shits and giggles back then, its purpose has always been to provide old people with secure pensions and to prevent old age poverty.