r/WhitePeopleTwitter Oct 07 '22

What happened today was likely a strategic decision

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u/AllyMeada Oct 07 '22

We’ve been so beaten down by continual disappointment in this country that “politician does popular thing to earn your vote” is somehow seen as out of the ordinary. Like no shit, that’s what politics is supposed to be!

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u/chris14020 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Thaaaaaank you! I'm so sick of hearing people on Facebook say shit like "oh they're only doing x thing for you, to get re-elected!" Like dipshit, I know you're used to these people doing this, the only reason it feels weird is because they're actually doing something for people in your class range, not for the corporations and wealthy/powerful elite jackasses that pay dearly to 'help them see things their way'. What's more, this is actually one of his campaign promises. That shouldn't be too surprising, that he's actually doing something he said he was going to. I mean, I get why it IS surprising, in a sense, but... You know.

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u/dsmiles Oct 07 '22

"oh they're only doing x thing for you, to get re-elected!"

"Did you know that your plumber is only fixing your sink to get paid!?!?"

"And that a bartender wouldn't serve me a drink unless I gave him money?!?"

"And you wait until I let you in on why construction workers are always building things... It has to do with green paper!!!"

"Bastards, all of em!"

Yes, politicians do things for votes. That's the deal.

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u/chris14020 Oct 07 '22

Wow, what an attitude. I bet you only work to make money too, huh!?

(The shit people act as if it were absurd, actually IS absurd.)

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u/SpiderDeUZ Oct 07 '22

Isn't that something he ran on doing? Why are always so surprised when it follows through on a campaign promise? Are they used to getting a half ass effort and then being told it was a great effort and very successful that it requires a tax break for the richest oligarchs in the US

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u/ConvivialKat Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 08 '22

Why, yes, it is. But, the public is so used to the "infrastructure week" promises of previous presidents, that I think many are just stunned that he's working his way through the list of stuff he campaigned on and actually doing them.

Yep, he's a gaff machine. Yep, he's an old motherfucker. But, god damn...Infrastructure? Climate Change? CHIPS? Cap insulin pricing? Forgive student debt? Tell me how awful he is, again.

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u/SpiderDeUZ Oct 08 '22

His gaffs aren't even that big of a deal compared to other presidents. Oh no he fell on his bike, but did he like about his crowd size for no reason?

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u/CinnaByt3 Oct 07 '22

not just out of the ordinary, its viewed with suspicion

we as a country are so traumatized we cannot fathom an elected official doing their job without them having some sinister ulterior motive

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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 07 '22

Yeah but that goes both ways. You, as a citizen, also have to earn a government that cares about your wants and needs by giving a shit about politics.

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u/davwad2 Oct 07 '22

I care about what happens to this country, but our "corporate person" citizens are able to make campaign contributions that I simply cannot, so their voice is heard, not mine.

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u/RichardBCummintonite Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Idk how much control we really have over that as citizens. I'm only reaching 30, but this past election was the first time I've seen the people have such overwhelming power over elections. Its usually negligible. This was the first time we as the American people banded together like a true nation and said, "No. Trump will not be re-elected. The people have spoken." We've always been told we have that power, but it takes the entire nation, and the system is designed to divide us. This was the first time people actually cared enough to get off the couch and go vote. A couple states broke records of voter turnout for all time like since we became a country. A good turnout used to be 26% lol. The people who did care enough to vote didn't really get that much of a voice, and a lot of people gave up. There's too much behind the scenes that unfairly influences elections. Ask Bernie Sanders lol. He's been fucked by it too many times.

The only way we retain the power we had last election is to get people interested in politics. We need the whole nation. Thing is, politics are supposed to be boring as fuck. The only reason we had so many people interested last term was because we had a literal real time reality show going on with our president. Idk how you get people into it though. Like Illinois is voting on a bill this year that essentially makes it illegal to bar unions from a workplace. It's a giant proposition. None of the people my age I've talked to have even heard about it. They don't even know, and they probably won't vote. A non-vote on this is essentially a negative, because it's a pass or nothing. It needs a certain number of votes to pass. If it's not a vote for yes, it's essentially a no. Does my vote even really matter when there's ten people next to me who are voting against by default?

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u/madame-brastrap Oct 07 '22

Dude we are worked to the bone, then expected to be policy experts too. Did you notice once everyone had a little bit of time due to the pandemic how much everyone started paying attention? Those in power freaked the hell out and want everyone back to being too busy to breathe.

And the republicans have been getting shit done for their base the entire time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Having a government that represents and advocates your interests should be a fundamental right. In an ideal society, you shouldn't have to earn a government that cares about you. That's pseudo-fascist shit.

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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 07 '22

Well if you ever find an ideal society, let me know. But here in the real world, if citizens want a good government, they have to work for it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

What he's doing isn't even really that radical, the overton window has just been pushed so far to the right and we are so used to milquetoast corporate policy that mildly progressive policy seems relatively monumental.

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u/Broad_Respond_2205 Oct 07 '22

Yeah, but I don't get why it's a bad thing? You're voting for a politician (or a political party) because you want them to pass policies you want them to. So this means he know he need to honour his voters, and passing what they want, so he can get voted again. It's better then doing whatever he wants, then getting votes anyway

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u/Chickenmangoboom Oct 07 '22

He’s doing things he got voted in to do oh no!

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u/Historical-Dot1573 Oct 07 '22

I cant believe hes doing what his party platform is running on/discussing

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u/JusticiarRebel Oct 07 '22

It's like pointing out to Trump voters that he's only building the wall (which he never managed to do) just to get their vote.

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u/leftistpropaganja Oct 07 '22

I just don't get people who claim "the timing is suspect" when a politician does something popular with the people they govern, even if it's a few weeks until an election.

"YuR PanDeRinG FuR VoTeZ!"

Uh, no dumbass. If Biden does something that the people want done, isn't that EXACTLY why people elected him in the first place? That is precisely what he was elected for. To make the nation a better place, with laws and rules that reflect the will of the electorate.

How is that anything but good governance?

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u/SpiderDeUZ Oct 07 '22

Wait can we vote early for the presidential election?

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u/Dragon_Fisting Oct 07 '22

He's talking about midterms. Biden isn't up for vote directly, he's trying to inspire voters for the Dems because they need to maintain or gain seats to have the slightest chance to do anything in the next two years.

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u/cyndina Oct 07 '22

It is pandering for votes, but who the hell cares? If they don't do at least some of the good shit *just* before the election, no one will credit them for doing anything at all. If Biden and the Democrats had achieved every single thing on their constituents wish list his first week in office, the same people would absolutely lambaste them for not doing anything "lately" at the midterms.

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u/fairlyoblivious Oct 07 '22

It's not fucking "pandering" it's doing what the people elected you to do, my god.

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u/siliciclastic Oct 07 '22

If he was making hollow announcements and lip service then that's pandering, but actually making strides... he's exceeding my (low) expectations

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u/cyndina Oct 07 '22

Pandering is the wrong word, I know. I own that. But timing the announcement to coincide with the midterms was absolutely planned from day one. He could have done this shit a year and a half ago, but it would have been strategically unsound. So, anyone claiming it's political gamesmanship isn't wrong in the least. And my point was: So fucking what? This is the reality we live in now.

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u/Aeseld Oct 07 '22

It's the reality we always lived in. It's just being pointed out more now.

I'm voting regardless, simply because Democrats at least slow things getting worse. If they're going to do good things? Makes me happier about the vote.

Shameless pandering is fine if it gets shit done. And I even think it's a good idea to do it at the right time. That's just smart. Motivate your base, demotivate the opposition.

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u/Head-Ad4690 Oct 07 '22

It’s just Republicans trying to find some way to criticize their most prominent opponent. This is an extremely popular move so they won’t get very far opposing it outright. It has basically no downsides and was done in a completely legal and above-board way, so they can’t attack how it was done either. All that remains is to complain that it wasn’t totally sincere somehow.

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u/madame-brastrap Oct 07 '22

Fascism doesn’t understand this…and everyone has been duped into being cool with fascism. Earning votes in a democracy shouldn’t be “pandering”. God I hate the US.

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u/Talik1978 Oct 07 '22

It's not bad that he's doing it now.

It's bad that he wasn't for the first year and a half of his presidency, and instead banked on the short memory of the voter base.

Literally nobody is complaining about Biden working to pass policies that are popular in his base now.

The complaint is that the only thing incentivizing him to do so is the 2024 election. So what happens after that, when he has 4 years with no future election to pander to?

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u/BickleKnack Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Not bad, just unbelievable that even one piece of legislation he enacts is actually going to change something in my life for the better. The only other thing that ever happened like that in my lifetime were the stimulus checks.

Edit: I’m further left than everyone here fyi

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u/monkeyhind Oct 07 '22

Do you own a credit card? You probably benefited from Obama's consumer protection policies and didn't notice.

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u/umbravivum Oct 07 '22

Your ideology is in part why this country is so fucked. "How do things benefit me, and only me. I will only vote for a guy that does that 1 thing for me." You aren't the only person that lives in America. There are another 400 million people here, sure how stuff benefits you matters, but try caring about other people.

Given you only care about how a politician policies affect you makes me know you are a republican. Only Republicans vote for single issues and only ever when it benefits them. They don't give a fuck about their fellow man, low of the low.

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u/Gsteel11 Oct 07 '22

something in my life for the better.

I’m further left than everyone here fyi

Ah, the rare "fuck everyone, how's it helping me" socialist/commiminist? Lol

Or oh, are you one of those "anarchists" that's just an embarrassed libertarian?

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u/RichardBCummintonite Oct 07 '22

I mean the Affordable Healthcare act was absolutely momunemental, if you're poor. The Obama administration had to put in ridiculous effort and time. just to get a skeleton of what the proposed plan was supposed to be. It was a huge feat and not even for votes considering he spent the entirety of both terms working to pass it. That's probably the best example of a president truly just wanting to help the people, and he's aged two lifetimes over from it. That's how you know a president cared. They'll look 80 by the time they're 50.

Or if you were a rich white man, you would have received countless benefits in the form of tax cuts :). That legislation gets passed real fucking quick doesn't it?

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u/BickleKnack Oct 07 '22

you just said yourself the ACA was a bad move to spend 8 years on. Couldn’t agree more because Obamacare is abysmal. A purposeless quarter-step in the right direction but it by no means solved America’s healthcare crisis, not even close.

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u/RichardBCummintonite Oct 07 '22

No I didnt... I said it took them 8 years to pass. I never said it was a waste. It was a step in the right direction nonthess. If the fucking greedy ass congress wasn't obsessed with money to the point it went beyond addiction into a fetish, we'd have real universal Healthcare by now. They fought hard as shit just to get this tiny little piece. It was a fucking battle. Constantly fighting against people who would rather have their citizens die to make money, like we saw during Trump with covid. They did something good. If the system wasn't so corrupt, they would've done more.

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u/EmotionalVulcan Oct 07 '22

Jesus fuck. Who cares if it personally makes your life better? It's going to make a lot of other lives better and we should care about our fellow humans. It'll help make society better which will indirectly affect you for the better. Do Republicans even have any concept of cause and effect and future consequences or is it just "me, me, me, now, now, now" all the time?

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u/Schmogidus Oct 07 '22

With what you're saying, guarantee you aren't further left than a lot here.

Def not me for sure.

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u/labellavita1985 Oct 07 '22

He's the most progressive president of my lifetime by leaps and bounds..and I'm fucking 37. $20k in student loan forgiveness and this mass pardon, both absolutely fucking unprecedented. These two executive actions alone are absolutely life changing for millions upon millions of people. I don't know how people don't see that.

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u/SplendorTami Oct 07 '22

all politics are strategic decisions. issue is whether your strategy is to make people’s lives better. and this time it was.

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u/ArrestDeathSantis Oct 07 '22 Gold

I don't understand where people come from.

Like what, they would have embraced Republican fascism if Biden didn't do quite enough for them personally?

People might have not realized or put the pieces together, but we're in a two front war with Russia. Obviously there's the one fought by the Ukrainians with Western backing but there's also one on our soils. Fought by the GOP with Russian backing.

It's not a coincidence that right wing propaganda is the same as Russian propaganda whenever it comes to LGBTQ+, to immigration, to democracy, to the war in Ukraine or even about the pipeline that was sabotaged.

When the Russians see NATO type weaponry in Ukrainian hands, they know where it comes from and why. When we see Russian weapons in GOP hands, we shrug it off as a coincidence.

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u/JSP777 Oct 07 '22

To your first question, most likely the answer to that is no, they would just not bother vote at all. All the rest I agree with 100%

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u/ArrestDeathSantis Oct 07 '22

Sometimes I wonder if there's truly a difference, especially since they ought to know the stakes by now.

I can concede that not everyone is aware, but not voting while being aware of the alternative is as bad as voting for the alternative from my perspective.

Even in Blue States, all the votes count.

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u/solepureskillz Oct 07 '22

I love everything about your account. Thank you, stranger.

My folks went Trumpy because of Hillary’s buttery males. They’re poorly assimilated immigrants who fear communism and have zero critical thinking faculties. They’re super religious and apply the same handwaving to their political beliefs - which are backed by facts, however hard the conservatives pretend/lie otherwise.

They’re still Trumpy because they like those memes better. The mean ones, making fun of poor brown people. The memes making fun of Biden’s age. The memes where people should tug on their boot straps instead of ask for handouts.

And then they salivate when the gov’t gave them covid checks. They were poor for most of their lives. They agree with me that young people have it harder than they did in every facet of our lives. On the basis of individual issues, they lean left in all but their homophobia.

But at the ballot, they believe the conservative propaganda machine over their own eyes and ears and experiences. They believe without evidence that liberals will make this country communist, that antifa justifies the gun violence (to fight them, whoever they are), that Hillary is satan incarnate as Trump checks every box on the antichrist checklist.

Asking them to reflect on the incongruities makes them turn aggravated in an instant. Faster than a spark burns down a wood mill, they turn upset and defensive and say I’m bullying them. The very same people who raised me, and who laugh at memes of bullies punching down at the poors and the browns.

I can write a book on the cognitive dissonance and damage that “conservatism” has brought to this country. There is nothing left on their platform that is conserving anything more than radical evangelical theocracy. It is a mental disease that is fracturing societies all over the world, one of intolerance and fear-mongering.

And for those lacking critical thinking, for the people stuck paycheck to paycheck living under the fear of eviction or a hospital bill or a faulty vehicle - many of which stem from systemic problems 4 degrees removed from them - they cling onto the lowest common denominator. A meme making fun of their meek, yet scarily threatening enemy. Other Americans, they look at and see “enemy.”

It breaks my heart, but also galvanizes my conviction to learn, to educate, and to forever consider the needs of those less fortunate, even if 1/3rd of them don’t know better than to bite the hand that feeds.

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u/JSP777 Oct 07 '22

I agree, especially because we have a very similar situation in my home country. The Nazi lunatics have a strong base who will vote no matter what. And then normal people struggling to decide to even turn up because they just "can't decide from the not so 100% optimal options on the left side", and it's been killing the country for more than a decade where we reached a point that I think there is no hope of returning to normal now.

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u/Elryc35 Oct 07 '22

Hillary didn't do enough to earn my vote, so I stayed home in 2016!

Joe Biden is just transparently trying to earn my vote, so fuck him!

I despair.

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u/heathers1 Oct 07 '22

🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

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u/Bikinigirlout Oct 07 '22

It’s weird how the exact same people who bitched about student loan debt and legalizing weed are now like “He’s just doing it to earn my vote”

Like, just say your a republican already if that still isn’t enough to get you on board

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u/RattleMeSkelebones Oct 07 '22

Never attribute to foreign interference what you can attribute to good ol' America Brand Fascism

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u/jayy909 Oct 07 '22

What the tldr of what Biden did if you don’t mind? Is it something new or is it the decriminalized Mary Jane possession thing?

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u/LilyFlower52 Oct 07 '22

That and probably the student loan stuff

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u/Raginghangers Oct 07 '22

The latter.

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u/ShelSilverstain Oct 07 '22

The shit thing is that voters have a crazy short memory, so all of this kind of stuff has to be held off until right before an election for it to do any good, strategically

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u/CorruptPoliceOfficer Oct 07 '22

Non-american here. Sorry, but what happened?

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u/realbakingbish Oct 07 '22

Biden is pardoning federal marijuana possession charges, is urging state governors to do the same, and is having the FDA reconsider marijuana’s scheduling.

Some quick definitions, in case you aren’t familiar:

  • the FDA (food and drug administration), among many other things, keeps a list of what drugs or medications are restricted or illegal. Marijuana is currently on the same tier as cocaine, heroin, and other much more dangerous substances.

  • the levels of restriction for drugs is referred to as their “schedule”. Schedule 1, where marijuana is now, is the most restrictive, and drugs in schedule 1 are typically illegal to possess and use. There are lower schedules with looser requirements (for example, many ADHD medications are in Schedule 2, which allows for their legal use when prescribed by a medical professional, but has some restrictions about how much a pharmacy can fill at one time, how often a patient needs to check back in with their doctor, etc)

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u/CorruptPoliceOfficer Oct 07 '22

Thank you very much

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u/Takeoffdpantsnjaket Oct 07 '22

As a reference, cocaine is a schedule II drug, meaning a high risk of abuse with medical benefit (meaning it can be used in limited medical applications). Marijuana, according to the US Government, has no benefit medically so it is regarded as worse (more restricted) than COCAINE.

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u/notafanofdoors Oct 07 '22

Not to mention alcohol

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u/Bbbent Oct 07 '22

This makes sense to me. An overwhelming majority of americans are in favor of legalizing. This seems like the will of the people actually being listened to and acted upon, unlike the "minority party doesn't care what you people want unless it's white and christian" stance that we've been stuck with.

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u/minecrafthentai69 Oct 07 '22

Biden is pardoning mariujana possession charges

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u/Justthisguy_yaknow Oct 07 '22

Welcome to the world of democracy. Would you prefer a dictatorship?

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u/PolyZex Oct 07 '22

As if there's another option anyway. Biden could do nothing for 4 years and at least he's not a fascist. I have no doubt that he'll respect the results of an election. That's really how low the bar is at this point.

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u/hnguk Oct 07 '22

Well I suppose that's what happens when you have a voting system that only really allows for two parties to succeed.

In my opinion the US voting system and my own country the UK (and likely others) need complete reform. However I know that is very unlikely as it seems that both parties are more happy with the status quo of keeping power for their term.

Both parties still allow lobbying and both parties take donations from big tech and other large corporations. Pretty much all politicians are corrupt at this current moment in time.

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u/BritishAccentTech Oct 07 '22

We have a chance at Proportional Representation in the UK next election. By no means a guarantee, but a chance.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

We need to abolish the electoral college, institute ranked choice voting, mandate voter turnout (and force the states to make voting as easy as possible so no one has an excuse not to), make voting day a mandatory paid holiday, pass the voting rights act, and abolish the Senate if we want to end this broken 2-party system that is cock-blocking American progress.

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u/sleepyjohn00 Oct 07 '22

What, you think the Prez does things like that for the lulz?

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u/Talik1978 Oct 07 '22

Are the only options "to get re-elected" and "for the lulz"?

If so, that means he only has 1 option in 2025.

The prez should be consistently acting for policy supported by his party. As opposed to ignoring it until he's lacing up his shoes to walk the campaign trail.

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u/EducationalRice6540 Oct 07 '22

Of course its a calculated political move. Its October and the midterms are next month. It doesn't mean its still not the right thing to do. After the midterms the order will still stand, people will still be free, and records will be cleared.

Its a shameless political move and also the right thing to do.

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u/LegitimateCrows Oct 07 '22

There is no “not voting for Biden” unless what you want is to hold the door wide open for fascism to waltz right in and take your shit away. This guys tweet is foolish.

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u/BDM-Archer Oct 07 '22

The OP title is even more stupid. "Guy does a good thing, he wants my vote."

Yah.... no shit?

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u/thepotplants Oct 07 '22

This guys tweet is foolish.

Nah.. It's called humour.

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u/SabreCorp Oct 07 '22

And he’s a comic, so this checks out.

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u/HalforcFullLover Oct 07 '22

Agreed, but I don't mind Joe doing what he's doing. Even if was only to piss off the right and not the correct thing to do.

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u/thepotplants Oct 07 '22

Even if was only to piss off the right and not the correct thing to do.

It's the right, reasonable practical and pragmatic thing to do. Using the powers of the presidential office just to fuck with people is a childish, petulent waste of time, resource, political capital and tax payers money.

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u/HalforcFullLover Oct 07 '22

Oh I agree. I'm just saying that if his personal reason was to "pwn the Reps", I don't care, as long as he's doing what is correct.

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u/Appropriate-Dig771 Oct 07 '22

Dems just aren’t here for that. Owning the libs seems to be MAGAts excuse for inexcusable behavior. I know the Dems have PLENTY of problems to deal with inside their own party but they aren’t cruel and stupid with their policy making like the republicans are.

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u/Snoo_72851 Oct 07 '22

This is one a them psyops where some 4chan chud starts telling primarily centrist and lefty spaces "well, the dems are just as bad as the reps, so really you shouldn't even bother voting".

Making it clear, yall are fucked in the US, and the best possible option should be outright revolution, out with the old, in with the new. Are you gonna do that? No? Then vote, and vote Democrat, because the only real chance you have to get shit like public healthcare is to drown all levels of politics with so much blue they lose every possible excuse.

Are you actually planning a revolution? Great! Vote anyways. It will take you less time to vote than it will to organize a protest, and if the protest fails, the fallback is, guess what, whoever wins the election.

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u/QuietEven198 Oct 07 '22

I'm so tired of Schrodinger's Leftist - too lazy to vote for someone who partially aligns with their views, but will supposedly get off their ass for an armed revolution? Guess it's just a coincidence that so many if those same internet posters support Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Sometimes I even meet people like this in real life, but they're always extremely online weirdos.

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u/fairlyoblivious Oct 07 '22

That person is something righties and libs made up to frighten and/or anger low information folks who don't really know what leftism is.

As you have personally experienced, it works pretty well on most liberals.

Leftists aren't out here "not voting" because both options are shit, we're voting for the better option and bitching about how that option still sucks a LOT and yet even though we're literally voting for your libshit politician the fact that we have criticisms is apparently unacceptable to many libs. This is one of those "disunity" things the right doesn't have to deal with, their shitbag tax cut voters don't shit on their shitbag religious fundie voters and vice versa, and you would do well to learn a thing from that.

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u/SaltyScrotumSauce Oct 07 '22

It's almost like he a competent leader or something.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

Nobody fucks with dank Brandon

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u/Shoesietart Oct 07 '22

No children have been put in cages.

Support is being provided to Ukraine.

Pardons for cannabis possession.

Flighting global warming.

Ketanji Brown.

Infrastructure bill passed.

No incessant, moronic tweeting.

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u/fairlyoblivious Oct 07 '22

That first one, do we still have camps at the border? The answer, is yes.

Those cages have not gotten much MORE full since Biden came into office, but they have continued to grow some. Do you know the primary reason they have not been growing in size as much? If you guessed "because under Biden we still force asylum seekers to remain in Mexico if they're not FROM Mexico" then you guessed right! Why is this? Well Biden's admin will tell you because the court system forced them to reinstate the program last year after they tried to get rid of it, because that makes him sound great. The truth is that DID happen, but it leaves out the fact that Biden could have changed much of this with simple executive orders if he just got a little bit creative with the wording.

The rest is great and mostly true, some context would be useful in explaining that infrastructure was hobbled to the point that it won't pay even for the upkeep on our nation's bridges, but technically we did throw a few pennies at the freeway, as it were.

You actually don't really have to lie about Biden's accomplishments like this, he's still done plenty of "better than Republicans" shit, and just obvious ignorance like "he got rid of migrant detentions" just tells anyone that isn't already wholly bought into liberal propaganda that you're full of shit.

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u/lord_cheezewiz Oct 07 '22

Yeah no shit but it’s still a good thing lmao

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u/gbolly999 Oct 07 '22

Dark Brandon ain't fucking around yo!!!

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u/DonBoy30 Oct 07 '22

I mean. That’s how the liberal democracy game works lol

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u/Z3ppelinDude93 Oct 07 '22

As opposed to the conservative one? What, do they give you nothing you want and still want your vote anyway?

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u/bodilyfluidcatcher Oct 07 '22

Excuse me, but they’ve been hard at work removing women’s right to their bodies and destroying the peaceful transition of presidency. They deserve the credit.

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u/DonBoy30 Oct 07 '22

Liberal democracy is the very system we live under. Conservatism is a political movement within that system that acts as reactionary to progressivist and leftist policies.

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u/Z3ppelinDude93 Oct 07 '22

… so the reaction is to take away what people want and expect their vote anyway?

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u/DonBoy30 Oct 07 '22

A little more nuanced than that, but they often work in contrast to populism. Most reactionary populist movements throughout modern history of liberalism tend to devolve into despotic or fascist countries. Spain and Germany is a pretty clear cut example.

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u/Electrokid08 Oct 07 '22

A strategic decision? A politician’s only job is to be elected, everything he does it to appeal to voters. Doesn’t mean the good he promised isn’t happening (provided he does do it, I mean don’t just hold him to the word until it happens)

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u/Oddity46 Oct 07 '22

A strategic decision in politics? I'm shocked!

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u/Elethia20 Oct 07 '22

That's what every political leader does. Wait until the last year of your term, do all the crowd favorite shit so it's still fresh in everyone's minds when they go vote for you. The first 3 years, we hardly matter

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u/malibuklw Oct 07 '22

Ah yes, doing something the majority wants instead of the minority in order to get votes. How could he?!?!

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u/Ericrobertson1978 Oct 07 '22

I've been saying Democrats should be pushing HARD for cannabis legalization before midterms for months now.

Glad to see it might actually happen.

Legalize human freedom, already.

If the threat of Christofacism isn't enough to motivate us to vote, legalizing weed sure as shit is!

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u/Goose_Spy Oct 07 '22

Republicans: "We will totally do a thing if you elect us, pinky swear"

Dark Brandon: "I'm actually doing a thing right now"

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u/GGBHector Oct 07 '22

As some Redditor said:

Yes, it is a strategy to get votes. Pleasing your party is quite an effective way to get them to vote for you.

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u/Talik1978 Oct 07 '22

So is pleasing your party for 2 months out of every 24. And so they do that instead of what you said.

And then the people that ask "what about the other 22 months" roll their eyes when you chide them.

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u/ApprehensiveHippo898 Oct 07 '22

Doing the will of the people will earn votes. Unfortunately our memory is so short that he has to focus on doing it around election cycles to gain the max benefit to his party.

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u/VinCubed Oct 07 '22

Sad but very true. He could have given every person in the country a million dollars, without somehow affecting the deficit or debt, on day one of his term and come election time people would be asking "What have you done for me?"

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u/Queasy-Mix3890 Oct 07 '22

Your point being?

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u/Two-Mantis Oct 07 '22

Welcome to politics

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u/papaboynosmurf Oct 07 '22

Whatever the motivation the actions are good, I just hope he continues

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u/RebuiltGearbox Oct 07 '22

I think part of pardoning them is to help with the shortage of workers, too.

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u/P_Riches Oct 07 '22

Let's goo dank Brandon. Finally getting legal weed.

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u/dthoma81 Oct 07 '22

So those people sat detained for two years because political expedience? That’s kinda fucked up.

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u/GrimmOfThrones2187 Oct 07 '22

Not saying it’s ok for our leaders to not give a shit, but I prefer someone who strategically does the right thing over someone who draws on a hurricane map with a bloody sharpie because he didn’t want people to know he was an idiot.

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u/vinegarfingers Oct 07 '22

Everything everywhere in politics is a strategic decision to get your vote. Everything.

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u/Ryaisho Oct 07 '22

This tweet sums up my sentiment exactly. Hey Dems want that Blue Wave to happen so you can finally have a real majority to get stuff done? Keep calling out hypocrisy and keep doing stuff like this. We as a nation saw how bad it could get during the Pandemic leading up to January 6 and the Roe v Wade decision. A bunch of us are ready to wade through hell to get to the polls this fall, give us a reason to believe you hear us and we’ll show up in droves.

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u/wizardzkauba Oct 07 '22

I can’t help wondering if he’s just sitting on a bunch of these kinds of measures, and he’s gonna enact a new one every couple of weeks right up til the midterms. If so, it’s a good strategy!

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u/kale_boriak Oct 07 '22

Oh, it was a strategic decision? Good. Dems have played checkers for years against the gops chess, about time they think strategically.

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u/jaypeeo Oct 07 '22

And that’s cool. Blue no matter who. The party of book bans and homophobia needs to be soundly defeated.

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u/autmam321 Oct 07 '22

Keep it up and he'll get a 2nd term. Dark Brandon's here to stay

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u/ArmadilloDays Oct 07 '22

I hate it when he does that.

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u/brjmccla Oct 07 '22

He weirdly seems to warm up to progressive ideas every couple years. Mysterious.

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u/dwtougas Oct 07 '22

He's only been in office for 20 months. Every couple of years hasn't happened yet.

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u/brjmccla Oct 07 '22

Did his campaign (which was about two years ago wink wink) not include progressive promises and then he proceeded to go dark on basically all of them until midterms? Student Loan forgiveness being the big one.

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u/Humble_Story_4531 Oct 07 '22

Why? What are you even complaining about?

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u/RememberToLeaves Oct 07 '22

Fuck progressives.

aka fuck those who want to make progress.

You’re a regressive.

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u/NoAvailableImage Oct 07 '22

No way, a president doing things people want in order for them to vote for them.

Unacceptable

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u/gabuiknlfkn Oct 07 '22

this is literally the “you like pancakes??? i guess you hate waffles” arguement. just cause someone is saying he did something they like with this doesn’t mean it’s the only issue they care about

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u/JangoFettsEvilTwin Oct 07 '22

What makes you think that’s all people care about?

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u/Gsteel11 Oct 07 '22

Lol, you can care about more that one issue.

And the way to get those other issues passed is to build a majorty that can give you enough votes to get things done in the senate. 50/50 is a super hard road.

Kind of selfish to ignore your own issues over some... jealousy? Lol

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u/supercalifragilism Oct 07 '22

Imagine if he did this his entire term instead of spending 75% of it trying to do the exact opposite of what his voters wanted.

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u/Gsteel11 Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

I wanted most of what he's done.

And the people that complain generally are very vocal about not bothering to vote for him because he's the same as trump?

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u/vpi6 Oct 07 '22

The voters didn’t want the infrastructure deal? Or BBB (eventually became IRA but did the voters not want that?), dis they not want new better judges? Did voters not want the reversal of Trump’s immigration executive orders? Did voters not want the CARES Act?

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u/supercalifragilism Oct 07 '22

No, voters (especially blue voters) wanted the Green New Deal, extension of COVID Era supports, and real student debt relief. What we got was largely half measures and two years of delay in policies that would have shorn up Biden's support much earlier in his term. Imagine if the Dems had pushed for this stuff a year ago instead of slow rolling all their most popular policy goals until right before the midterms?

That said, and before we get too deep, it is better that Biden did this now than never, and he and his administration deserve some credit for taking the midterms relatively seriously, but they're this far behind the 8 ball because they've left these initiatives sitting for so long.

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u/Gsteel11 Oct 07 '22

He doesn't have the votes. 50/50 split, means you just need ONE GUY to walk away.

You get ZERO big "wins" with 50/50. If you're working hard you get a few compromises.

And the more people that stay home. Insures that they will continue to have next to zero real leverage.

until right before the midterms?

Everyone would have forgotten.

See 2010 and Obama.

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u/vpi6 Oct 07 '22

Please explain precisely how not going far enough (in your opinion) is “the complete opposite” of what voters wanted.

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u/supercalifragilism Oct 07 '22

His voters wanted change because the system wasn't working for them, and he quite famously said "Nothing would fundamentally change" while running for the primaries. I believed him.
All of the policies that he's doing now are only things that are being worked on now when they're desperate and only after a lot of hectoring and pressure from advocacy groups composed of the next generation of Dem voters.

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u/Humble_Story_4531 Oct 07 '22

spending 75% of it trying to do the exact opposite of what his voters

such as...

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u/ever-right Oct 07 '22

Was the largest climate change bill ever passed and forgiving 10-20k of student debt not good enough? No? It's the "hehehe marijuana" that got you? Cool beans, bro. Really solidifies the reality that young voters are fucking morons.

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u/VinCubed Oct 07 '22

Everyone has their issue. I'm pretty sure this person probably would have voted blue but less enthusiastically.

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u/fairlyoblivious Oct 07 '22

Is shitting on younger voters with some bullshit you made up in your mind a really effective "get out the vote" strategy?

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u/shadow13499 Oct 07 '22

Biden is a borderline right winger in the policies he has supported now and in the past.

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u/QuietEven198 Oct 07 '22

Anyone who doesn't vote for Democrats in November 2022 is a right-winger by default. Don't give me any of your shitlib troll nonsense. We all know not voting is the same as a vote for Christofascism.

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u/shadow13499 Oct 07 '22

When did I say to not vote?

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u/fairlyoblivious Oct 07 '22

This "pre-emptive strike" comment is an excellent example of fucking liberals shooting themselves in the face by making up a straw man and then attacking it while pointing out to others that the straw man is actually a voter. You are free to have as much vitriol as you like for people who do not vote in a way you approve of, but you should consider at least waiting until someone actually says they're going to do so, this whole attacking potential allies before you even know how they vote is just fucking blue maga level bullshit.

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u/RememberToLeaves Oct 07 '22

Well yeah. Americas left is just diet-right.

But its a step in the right direction

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u/shadow13499 Oct 07 '22

Lol I'm stealing diet-right because that's pretty perfect. I mean this is a country that calls Bernie a radical for not wanting people to die on the streets and wanting fair taxes for billionaires. Those are centrist things in pretty much any other developed country

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u/Humble_Story_4531 Oct 07 '22

Really? Climate change and marijuana pardons seem more left leaning. The democratic party as a whole has shifted more left since the turn of the century, and while I still wouldn't label Biden as a progressive I'd say he's firmly left for the most part.

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u/big_hungry_joe Oct 07 '22

I thought it said joe Rogan at first

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u/Bean_Storm Oct 07 '22

Can we pencil him in for all the down ballot stuff this year? And he can just coordinate with himself?

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u/StSphinx Oct 07 '22

Yes and…?

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u/Specialist_Teacher81 Oct 07 '22

Why do I get the feeling like the supreme court is going to try to weigh in on this?

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u/VinCubed Oct 07 '22

They can only weigh in if someone brings a case to them in regards to this action. They can't just bang a gavel at things they don't like.

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u/Specialist_Teacher81 Oct 07 '22

There are whole law firms dedicated to doing nothing but finding miserable assholes who can bring cases to shoot down laws the right doesn't like. Or do you think randoms are bringing cases to the supreme court all on their own? Think things through before you comment.

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u/UncommittedRun Oct 07 '22

Perfectly timed right before midterms

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u/glandmilker Oct 07 '22

Depends on the cost to get what YOU want

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u/overpregnant Oct 07 '22

It can be more than one thing at a time

It can be the right thing to do and strategic

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u/Dreamyliquidcubie Oct 07 '22

Did you spit out your pills and escape the psych ward?

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u/devinlor Oct 07 '22

That is what they all do . Behave to the masters & pandering to the people, we only get to choose the lesser of 2 evil 😈.

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u/Signal_Violinist_995 Oct 07 '22

Figured that out, did you?

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u/BigMark2468 Oct 07 '22

I remember the first time I discovered how democracy works.

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u/Raginghangers Oct 07 '22

I feel like you think that is an insult but like. Yeah. Decent politicians should do good things that the people they represent also want. In that sense, strategy is a good things. So......cool?

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u/burmerd Oct 07 '22

Little political presents popping up here and there; does it feel like Christmas? Must be gettin close to an election...

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u/Plzlaw4me Oct 07 '22

I like that the entire point of democracy has become foreign to conservatives. Democracy is we elect politicians and in exchange, they give us policies and laws we want. The GOP is so used to winning by taking advantage of electoral loopholes and using billionaire’s moneys to win that they cannot wrap their head around “do things people like to get votes”. They genuinely think that’s cheating

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u/owen3820 Oct 07 '22

Wait what happened

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u/brodolobe Oct 07 '22

This sub should be renamed to /r/Democrats

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u/drae-gon Oct 07 '22

All political decisions are strategic. They are either to do what a person was voted in for or to make sure they get votes next time around. Either way it's doing what the people want...ie strategic. Welcome to politics.

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u/wikigreenwood82 Oct 07 '22

Politicians doing things to get votes? we're through the looking glass here, people

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u/Sacrificial-Toenail Oct 07 '22

When the elected representative represents the people who elected him

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u/TheCosmicFailure Oct 07 '22

Why are we acting like Biden did something amazing?

Dude is doing the bare minimum.

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u/SoundOfDrums Oct 07 '22

He only cares as long as it gives him political power, which doesn't make him a good guy. It makes him a bad guy who happens to be helping people at the moment.

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u/No_Luck4927 Oct 07 '22

For sure he doesn’t give a flying fuck about us as people (none of them do, big surprise) and did it just for the vote but at least it’s a positive thing he did in the right direction.

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u/Rocketboy1313 Oct 07 '22

He is only doing the popular thing because it is popular.

Yes.

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u/Euporophage Oct 07 '22

The Dems are going to need it as OPEC+ seeks to put us back into the '70s oil crisis.

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u/Jina111 Oct 07 '22

Y'all are dumb af if you think any party, anywhere in the world, does anything without expecting your votes.

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u/fescueFred Oct 07 '22

Biden will get my vote if he institutes Medicare For All.

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u/arealspaceman Oct 07 '22

Why does it matter if any politician does something to better the nation because they want more votes? Isnt that how this system is supposed to work?

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u/BakuTheMooneater Oct 07 '22

“What happened today was likely a strategic decision”

No shit, when is it not?

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u/ContemplatingPrison Oct 07 '22

100% exactly what politicians need to do. You tell your voters you will do something and then do it. Was he waiting until the midterms to do it? Absolutely because Americans have short memories. Will he do more in 2023? Absolutely.

Now hurry up with the loan forgiveness application you ass hat

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u/ConvivialKat Oct 07 '22

I don't get why people are upset. This WAS one of his campaign promises. That and forgiving federal student loan debt. Why are people pissed off that he is doing what he said he would do? Infrastructure, Climate Change, CHIPS, America CARES Act, Insulin price cap and Medicare drug price negotiations...all in the middle of a pandemic. Why are people bitching?

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u/J_Cant_Box Oct 07 '22

What happened?

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u/CLARABELLA_2425 Oct 07 '22

Stick your vote where the sun don’t shine. And keep wearing your tinfoil hat, looks like it’s helping you.

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u/Different-Excuse9891 Oct 07 '22

Stupid tards want their side to win so much they would rather burn it all down rather than lose

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u/Matingris Oct 07 '22

And by the constitution he’ll get it with this behavior

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u/No_Arugula_6548 Oct 07 '22

And he’s not even on the ballot till 2024. It’s called getting shit done for the American people.