r/antiwork Dec 01 '22 Gold 1 Helpful 1

It's okay when Dems do it /s

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Seriously ef this guy

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u/GeneralOwnage13 Dec 01 '22

A rail strike could also be averted by allowing reasonable concessions.

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u/dcgregoryaphone Dec 01 '22

Right? 1 fucking sick day a year, that's insane. If our country weren't ass backwards corrupt that would be the only headline, "Greedy railroad execs demand only one sick day per year for overworked rail crews".

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Oligarchs buy up media outlets for a reason.

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u/Zaranthan Dec 01 '22

They just want to create lots of jobs for journalists because having a free and powerful press is important to democracy! They LOVE democracy!

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u/Torgosassistant2021 Dec 01 '22

Yeah, because they don't want the poor ass general public reminding them of the terrible things they do for a dollar.

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u/origami_airplane Dec 01 '22

I had a friend tell me "CNN should be a public service! They always tell the truth and their journalists are the best!" I really didn't know what to say.

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u/jparkhill Dec 01 '22

The news should be a public service with no advertising possible. All news. Editorial rooms should be completely separate with no contact to the sales team. And groups like Sinclair should not exist.

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u/Annual_Secret6735 Dec 01 '22

This. 1,000% this.

News and journalism stopped being “for the people” a long time ago, if ever. They only report on what they are told & what creates a sense of sensationalism to drive traffic for Ad revenue.

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u/Shot-Button6031 Dec 01 '22

and the reason they can't allow people even unpaid sick days is because they've ratfucked the job so much people don't want to do it. So even if this strike fails the railways are in for a big surprise when they literally can't find anyone to hire anymore. They'll just keep demanding the existing people work more days and longer shifts til they die or quit too.

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u/ktatsanon Dec 01 '22

I work for a Canadian class one, they've hired close to 40 guys in the last 6-8 months in my terminal. I'd estimate close to 60% won't stay past their first year. Everyone get lured in with the good pay and benefits, but when they see what the job entails, they run for the hills.

In the last few years, there are two types of people that seem to last, the young hungry single guy who doesn't care about the lousy conditions and just wants to make money, and the guy that gets hired, buys an expensive car and house, and can't afford to leave.

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u/Shot-Button6031 Dec 01 '22

its good to hear whats really going on from people who work in these industries. I think things are getting so bad that they're untenable, and will have to change in some way. Hopefully for the better.

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u/xSympl Dec 01 '22

It's like this in factories too.

Yeah the $35/hr w/cafeteria and free busses to work was tempting back in 2012, when I was fresh out of high school and looking for a full time job.

Then you learn it's twelve hours days, six days a week forced OT because we're behind on product, but it's been this way for years.

And you don't make $35/hr, you make $9/hr because you're training. You'll make that for six months at which point they'll find a reason to fire you just before you're hired.

The cafeteria is so far away from your station that you physically can't make it in time to eat, even if you took a golf cart.

Those busses are one hour and thirty minutes long. So three hours of your day is devoted to not being paid to go to work, too.

The whole place smells like pure burnt rubber, and is so loud it hurts your ears. Luckily there are free earplugs.

Only kind that stays are either on drugs, in debt, or single. Nobody wants to date the guy who is always tired, never available, and smells like burning rubber lmao.

Everyone praised my brother for staying too, until he was arrested with several pounds of meth in his trunk because he was selling it at work.

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u/koolaideprived Dec 01 '22

Yep. Just in my terminal I know several guys that are leaving as soon as they get back pay. Even with the contract being forced, it's going to get worse.

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u/AnonTheMaidenless Dec 01 '22

The visible fist of the free market.

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u/smallmileage4343 Dec 01 '22

Right. Accepting the contract doesn't mean they can't just quit lol.

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u/samdc1985 Dec 01 '22

Same outcome in my terminal, it’s very large with 200+ people, at least 25 I know are waiting for their check and moving on, we’ve had 39 conductor trainees since January and not 1 has stuck around longer then 3 months. They will never be able to recover from this, I’m positive not one person outside the industry will understand till it’s too late!

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u/MayorDave716 Dec 01 '22

It’s the perfect excuse for them to begin the real push for one man crews. What a stellar idea and solution that’ll be

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u/Urgash54 Dec 01 '22

if our country world

FTFY

Seriously though, it's crazy how in basically every country, workers tend to be painted as the bad guys for demanding better work conditions.

It happened in France as well, with the strike from Total workers, most of the people I talked about were angry at the workers because "it's their fault if the price of gas is rising" and "If they want a better salary, they can just change jobs".

Me awhile nobody asked themselves"why isn't a multi-billion dollar company paying it's worker more ? Why aren't they even trying to negotiate with them ?"

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u/Apokal669624 Dec 01 '22

Meh. I'm from Ukraine. We had some local workers strikes before war, usually because some company didn't paid full salary to workers during few months. Its usually ends when just random people not working on company joined workers and demand them to pay everything what should be paid. And companies pay, media support workers, like everyone support them and join on strike or at least in social media.

Thing is, oligarchs can buy media, but can't buy public opinion. Its all good when you talking about it on reddit or social media, but thats not enough. If you can, just join railworkers strike even if you not a railworker. The more people will be on strike, demanding to give railworkers what they want, the faster all this paid by oligarchs media and companies will crack right on line of their fat ass and do what people demand from them.

And I'm not saying being on strike 24/7. But if you have time after work and there is railworkers strike in your city, or you have free day, just join them for few hours. It will help them a lot

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u/Urgash54 Dec 01 '22

I'd join them, but I'm not sure a random software engineer striking in France will help them much XD

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u/Apokal669624 Dec 01 '22 Wholesome Eureka!

Actually that can work too. If you manage to bring 10-15 people on strike in France near US embassy, it will bring some local media, they will do reportage about your support and it can launch more support inside and outside US. Thats kinda worked well for Ukraine, so why not for US rail workers?

Leave on sick is basic human right. Refusing to give it to any workers in any country is just wrong and reminds me slavery.

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u/stankyst4nk Dec 01 '22

they upped it to 9 apparently. which is fucking pathetic.

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u/dcgregoryaphone Dec 01 '22

I heard 7... and they get only 5 vacation days per year. Shows you how much anyone in Congress cares about workers.

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u/Eagle4317 Dec 01 '22

Don't they have to book their sick days a full month in advance too?

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u/dcgregoryaphone Dec 01 '22

Vacation days they do. Before, they had zero sick days...they were expected to use vacation days except using any of their 5 (!!!) vacation days required a month notice. When COVID hit they were being forced to quarantine and not getting paid for it.

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u/cobrakazoo Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

was that not the norm during covid?

I work in healthcare, it was absolutely expected that we quarantine on our own dime or show up to work the covid unit.

so many people were wfh I didn't realise this was abnormal.

EDIT: I've had a massive number of replies to this comment.

I'm thrilled that the majority of you were able to quarantine without worrying about your livelihood.

I've always known that healthcare isn't the most worker-friendly field in the US, but I'm shocked at the differences in these replies.

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u/InevitablePersimmon6 Dec 01 '22

I work in healthcare and we got up to 10 paid COVID days every time we had to get tested after being symptomatic. That’s awful they didn’t give you guys that.

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u/IndustryOfDiarrhea Dec 01 '22

The factory I work in did the same thing. If one person in the department tested positive then everyone on that shift was tested and paid for 10 days off.

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u/AManyFacedFool Dec 01 '22

I worked security at a factory during the peak of the pandemic.

Somebody tested positive, and they simply fired the 14 people who worked in the same room and brought in a fresh crop the next day.

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u/Munchee_Dude Dec 01 '22

Bro they fucked you. At my hospital weve been given 80 hours covid sick pay every year since 2020. If you force me to quarantine and won't let me work, I'm gonna get my money. You should probably unionize.

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u/blayr2016 Dec 01 '22

Right? I work at a fucking GAS STATION and they paid you to quarantine if you were covid positive. They took the average of all your hours worked and paid you that (so if you're full time you got paid a full 40 hrs but the people who only work twice a week got paid for that)

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u/_bitwright Dec 01 '22

What state were you in (assuming you are from the states)? My company offered this too, but only because California required them to. I ended up using a day of COVID sick pay due to my reaction to the vaccine. Had to fill out a form when I got back to qualify for it, but none of my own PTO was used to cover for my time off.

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u/Aspen_Pass Dec 01 '22

Some states made COVID pay mandatory. I thought it was federally mandated for a time as well??? But yeah you got fucked lol even grocery stores paid COVID isolation time.

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u/Key_Fly_8795 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Nah, even Walmart paid covid pay if you had to quarantine. You got f*ck'd

edit: comma added for clarity

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u/jeepsaintchaos Dec 01 '22

Hell, I worked in an asphalt plant and we got up to 10 days, 2 times, for COVID exposure. Paid by the company. And that was after we ran out of government funding for the same thing, although somewhere in there we had to use PTO too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

We all went down to 80 percent work and pay for 8 months.

That way everyone kept their job.

Negotiated between employer and union. In reality the employer always has the option of firing, but we like to do the talk in these cases.

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u/Korthalion Dec 01 '22

Most people get 30 per year across the pond. Sick pay at full salary for two weeks, half salary for a further two weels is standard. Blows my mind to this as a sticking point for you guys, hope you get some real change soon

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u/dominus087 Dec 01 '22

It's insane in the US. I'll never understand how everyone is ok with what we currently have. We should be rioting in the streets until it's fixed.

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u/believeinapathy Dec 01 '22

It really is crazy, I hope this rail strike makes people realize, WE ALL GET ZERO PAID DAYS OFF by default in this country. I'm 31, in a union, and still never had a job that had paid time off.

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u/dominus087 Dec 01 '22

What boggles my mind is the entire world just went through a two year pandemic (which isn't over yet) with a deadly or debilitating disease where we had to quarantine for a week at a time... And nothing changed. No sick days. Back to business as usual. As if our entire social structure didn't just change. As if millions of people didn't just die. As if we all didn't learn about how disease spreads and how to counter it. About how we can just stop for a week and rest and nothing bad happens. But no. No sick days, no vacation days, no change. Our society is broken.

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u/40mgmelatonindeep Dec 01 '22

Propaganda works, a ton of blue collar folks take pride in their cult of suffering, theyll call you a sissy for not wanting to work 14 hr days

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u/GlassWasteland Dec 01 '22

Media has done a brilliant job of making it us vs us, i.e. labor vs labor, not labor vs capitalists. It is truly mind boggling how many working class people hate other working class people for getting things they don't have, but don't hate the owners and bosses for not being fair in their employment contracts.

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u/Debs_2020 Dec 01 '22

Nobody's OK with it, there's just no class consciousness in America so people just get pissed off and blame immigrants. Americans are hopeless.

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u/ExplorerHead795 Dec 01 '22

Kiwis get a month paid annual leave and 10 working days as paid sick leave. Plus bereavement leave, maternity/paternity leave and so on. The US treats its workers like shit

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u/thetrilobitedidit Dec 01 '22

Yeah but we treat our wealthy class really, really, just like seriously the best, well. They can have it all and they only have to oppress the rest of us to do it. So checkmate New Zealand./s

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u/tears-of-socrates Dec 01 '22

How many people take all of their sick days? Do they roll over if you don't use them during a year? Must be nice!

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u/ExplorerHead795 Dec 01 '22

10 sick days are the legal minimum. People negotiate to carry over unused sick days in their employment contract. Some places I've worked allow you to carry over sick days so you can plan surgery etc

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u/AvalancheReturns Dec 01 '22

Overall in Holland you get 2 years between 70 (crappy temp agencies) -100% (normal to good employers) of your pay from your employer (who usually ensure themselves against this. After 2 years government takes (employer gets to let you go, íf procedures were followed) over and pays you a more minimal pay for... ever, i guess? Not too sure on the latter and how it works.

On top of that i think.paid vacation ranges from 22 to 34 in most companies.

Still, we have viable businesses and things are not super expensive compared to usa prices.

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u/HereForThePM Dec 01 '22

I think that is a separate bill that is being proposed. I don't have details though

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u/yorcharturoqro Dec 01 '22

1 sick day? That makes no sense, imagine telling the human body it can only get sick for one day a year, sick days should be unlimited, only limited by a doctor telling how many days that person need

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u/asillynert Dec 01 '22

They also have point system essentially super screwed up any absence is a lose of 2 points with some like holidays/weekends costing as many as 25 points.

Lose 30 points in a year and you at best get on "discipline list" pay freeze low bad schedules. Or the more likely scenario fired. However if you work 14 days in a row (no weekends you can get 2 points back).

Its absolutely ridiculous inhuman outright evil.

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u/Rude-Orange Dec 01 '22

I can only imagine the amount of mistakes made while working 2 weeks in a row without a resting day.

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u/bravevline Dec 01 '22

Pay freeze sounds illegal

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u/Insterstellar Dec 01 '22

Congress could even force employers to grant concessions. The same law that says they can ban the strike says they can.

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u/Lotus_Domino_Guy Dec 01 '22

Republicans "We love business. Fuck workers" Democrats "We love workers. Fuck business. Also, ignore our crossed fingers and our wink at business."

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u/Buhodeleste Dec 01 '22

Holy shit, right? What the fuck is this guy happy about? My dad was a conductor on the Railroad, those workers are getting fucked by this bullshit

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u/StSean Dec 01 '22

this guy has been BlueMAGA since forever

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

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u/kgkuntryluvr Dec 01 '22

Seriously! A family member texted me last night excited like this was a great accomplishment and the only way to prevent economic disaster. I reminded her that America is one of just a few major countries that doesn’t guarantee paid time off to all workers. Congress could’ve starting by fixing that instead of undermining the rail workers’ bargaining power.

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u/sewcrazy4cats Dec 01 '22

Yeah, like being able to be sick during a fucking pandemic and afterwards. Haven't we learned enough that it's better for people to stay home when they aren't well??

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u/frostybawls Dec 01 '22

Idiots pretend to be pro labor and then they prevent the labor from demanding better treatment. I hope they stand their ground and strike anyway. Or go to work and do nothing till they get what they want

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u/Somebodyson22 Dec 01 '22

That’s what i said yesterday. They should strike anyway. I saw somewhere that only striking for 24hrs would be catastrophic. 24hrs is also enough not to keep anyone from feeling their family. 100% they should strike anyway. It’s not like they can force them to work.

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u/fordisabastard Dec 01 '22

The Ontario government just tried to legislate a union back to work and it blew up in their faces spectacularly.

Ford Govt: Hey you're gonna go back or face massive fines and potential prosecution

Union: Ok

They should 100% strike anyways. Get some other unions on board. Make it bigger. Workers are getting crushed right now, if they can't do anything, American unions are well and truly dead.

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u/notsoinsaneguy Dec 01 '22

Yeah in the US they like it when people defy the government though. Then they get to put them in jail (to a round of applause from half the country) and get free labour from them for decades.

Defying the American government is way scarier than defying the Canadian government.

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u/Dividedthought Dec 01 '22

Yes, but if they jail the rail workers the rail company is gonna be pretty fucked.

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u/bryanjharris1982 Dec 01 '22

2 billion a day in damages is the number apparently

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u/cant_go_tlts_up Dec 01 '22

It'll be a whole thing where they try to fine the union or bill individuals a certain amount as penalty. Naturally, those who are assessed penalties should continue to strike until all fines are dropped.

Labor holds the power here, the rest only have threats.

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u/Faerillis Dec 01 '22

Yeah I have never understood that mentality. "It's illegal to strike now, so you will pay til you go back to work" 'Uh no genius? We won't work til you drop the fines. '

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u/ProNewbie Dec 01 '22

Also can’t they just quit? “Get back to work” ‘Not until you give us sick days’ “No and now we are going to fine you. Better do it before we threaten violence.” ‘Ohh well in that case, I quit. Good luck getting the train going now.’

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u/GettingPhysicl Dec 01 '22

I am pretty sure we broke railroad strikes by calling in national guard before in the US.

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u/Beowulf33232 Dec 01 '22

How many Guardsmen can drive a train tomorrow?

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u/TheSquishiestMitten Dec 01 '22

Which is why the 2nd Amendment is so important. Striking workers being armed is exactly the reason the Pinkerton's don't do direct action anymore. They found out that they don't want the smoke. The National Guard did have modern weapons, but the workers didn't and stood no chance.

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u/Rude-Orange Dec 01 '22

It seems like an important industry like this should not be afloat hoping their employees don't get sick. 15 days a year of PTO + 1 day per year to a cap of 6 weeks should be a bare minimum requirement for ALL employees within the U.S.

Oh, you'll be short staffed? Hire more people. I'm sure everyone will appreciate more jobs.

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u/Scytle Dec 01 '22

the reason they don't want increased sick days, and 2 person crews is because they will have to hire more people. Warren Buffet and a bunch of hedge funds purchased the rails and keep cutting costs as hard as they can.

I think we should just nationalize the rail system and fuck all these rich twats.

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u/Rude-Orange Dec 01 '22

It's the job of the government to hold them accountable to treating people right! Clearly, they're not doing that as it currently stands.

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u/DirtyDanil Dec 01 '22

Funny they care about the commercial cost but not the cost to workers and families because they don't have adequate leave.

People are right. Fuck em.

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u/dansdata Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

87% of New York City's human waste is hauled away by freight trains.

(...Which occasionally stop for extended periods near people who would really like them to move on.)

So there's a good chance that NYC is going to smell at least slightly worse, if the strike happens.

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u/Jonne Dec 01 '22

I bet all the people that complain about the weed smell would love this change of pace.

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u/lobsterdog666 Dec 01 '22

24hrs is also enough not to keep anyone from feeling their family.

It is if you get fired for it.

Make no mistake, IF the rail workers decide to wildcat strike after congress rams this piece of shit contract down their throats, it will have taken an enormous amount of bravery and fortitude to stand their ground.

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u/Individual_Bar7021 Dec 01 '22

Isn’t that how we got labor rights in the first place? From the Blair Mountain Boys exploding the mountain to Homestead where the laborers kept the Pinkertons held up in a barge for days as they faced down armed workers. People really have forgotten how hard the boomer’s parents (many of our grandparents and great grandparents) worked and fought for these things. Asking nicely won’t work, and continually rolling over and taking these shit deals gets us closer and closer to dropping wage in front of slave.

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u/Morgenos Dec 01 '22

You forgot how we got the 8 hour work day by throwing grenades at cops

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u/Ready-Dust1160 Dec 01 '22

You’re off by a generation or two, boomer parents didn’t work for these things, they were barely 18 in ww2.

You’re thinking of the boomers great great grandparents or later, early 1900s

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u/TheArhive Dec 01 '22

The strike would end up with massive fines and legal trouble for the workers. What they should do, is come into work and do everything up to code.

EVERYTHING up to code.

As we all know, if you actually follow code, finish everything fully check everything etc

Shits bound to break, delays are bound to happen.

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u/BertVengeance Dec 01 '22

I was low key hoping for the strike. The impending supply chain issues, the resulting panic and social disorder -sensational. I’m just looking for a little excitement to start the weekend that’s all. Honestly though it makes for great entertainment. Remember the toilet paper scramble, what was up with that? What was it about the soft white rolls of paper that gave some of us Americans such a sense of security? This must me explored scientifically. Perhaps also psychologically.

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u/hates_oppression Dec 01 '22

Because many people saw "pandemic" and concluded it was going to be a dystopian future and the end of society. Society was going to break down, and it was going to be like the Walking Dead or The Division.

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u/Nokomis34 Dec 01 '22

Democrats: Why do progressives hate us?

Also Democrats.....

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Go to work and perform 100% slower

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u/Chiefcoyote Dec 01 '22

As a mechanic, I can waste A LOT of time if say a bolt snaps... and my drill snaps... and my tap snaps... oh did I mention there are alot of bolts that need tightened just perfectly, right up to the yield point... those big cooling fans ontop are pretty delicate, they'll see them selves out if not done correctly. It makes a pretty big mess. Tends to damage alot of stuff on the way out.

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u/strvgglecity Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

When people use the words "avert a rail strike", they have been indoctrinated by the media. That is a biased phrase. The actual language of what was passed forces workers to accept a contract against their will under threat of legal penalties. A result might be that there is no strike, but that is yet to be seen. People could also quit. Just don't understand so many seeing no problem with the government (including the president, aggressively) and private corporations colluding to overturn the will of a voting body in the interest of commerce under the guise of "critical infrastructure". I hope they quit.

Edit: the word "avert" is categorically wrong. They did not avert a strike. They BLOCKED a strike through force of law. They didn't avoid it, solve it or avert it. They just made it illegal. I remember how successful it was to make marijuana illegal. Nobody has smoked since! Lol

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u/Kamel-Red Dec 01 '22

This is where things get interesting, there are plenty of examples when governments have intervened in these matters and the rank and file either went on strike, quit, or things got messy and violent. Hence, the media works overtime to demonize the unions when in reality it's the wealthy owners and shareholders holding us all hostage since they want for nothing and frankly don't care. It's one thing if the companies are insolvent or unable to reasonably meet the demands--it's another if it's just avarice with a dash of political corruption.

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u/LovsickPrfectaTerain Dec 01 '22

...with a dash of political corruption.

You have a gift for understatement. I love it.

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u/Oathcrest1 Dec 01 '22

I agree. It’s a huge infringement on their rights. It’s almost like congress is trying to get people mad at them at this point.

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u/forevernoob88 Dec 01 '22

I wonder if we can get someone with artistic skills to make colorful fliers we can circulate to all the social media's that high light a greedy corporate overlord trying to force railroad workers into borderline slavery working conditions and is in collusion with mainstream media and congress. If people are going to be mad at someone, the least we can do it throw the actual culprits under the bus.

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u/The_Lawn_Ninja Dec 01 '22

Brooklyn Dad is literally a paid propagandist for the Democratic party, but he doesn't have to disclose that on Twitter, so millions of people think he's just some regular dude "telling it like it is".

Granted he won't deny it when questioned, but he certainly doesn't make it clear that his every tweet about politics is literally an advertisement bought and paid for by the Democrats.

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u/GettingPhysicl Dec 01 '22

He is literally paid to do this?

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u/The_Lawn_Ninja Dec 01 '22

Yes, he's really paid. When questioned about it he was up front and posted an image of the payment.

On a different platform, his content would have to be marked as a paid ad, but not on Twitter.

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u/forceghost187 Dec 01 '22

I always thought he was cringe. Something is so fake about him. Now I know

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u/Past-Adhesiveness691 Dec 01 '22

There’s a large portion of these types of (political tweeters?) that are just paid shills for their respective party. Take nothing at face value.

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u/LadyFruitDoll Dec 01 '22

Fucking hell. In Australia, he would have to declare it in his bio at least.

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u/courtneygoe Dec 01 '22

He’s paid to do this, but originally got notoriety because he refused to pay child support.

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u/SankaraOrLURA Dec 01 '22

Him, JoJoFromJerz, and Jeff Tiedrich. All right-wing neoliberals paid by the Dems. And they constantly get posted on supposedly left-wing subreddits. I pointed this out on r/PoliticsPeopleTwitter yesterday and the blue MAGA crowd freaked out

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u/cocainehussein Dec 01 '22

We sure do love doing the shit that we accuse China of doing.

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u/Staubsau_Ger Dec 01 '22

Yeah but it's lobbying in the west, not corruption ya filthy communism-apologist 🤓

/s but only the second half

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u/PizzaOldBoy Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

yeah theres a handful of extremely popular WPT sources that are nothing but paid propagandists for Dems. i vote Dem but doesnt change the facts, theyre perfectly consistent (r/politics repeates like 5 endlessly)
ex JoJofromJerz

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u/GusJusReading Dec 01 '22

I'll be honest, I'm confused by the wording myself. It sounds like on one hand, The Reps that voted against are the bad guys, but the ones that voted for are the good? Which kind of makes it more confusing as to who's got who's back. ....

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u/sharkbanger Dec 01 '22

The reps that voted for it just showed they don't give a fuck about worker's rights.

The ones that voted against it also don't give a fuck about workers rights, but won't vote for anything the Biden administration wants.

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u/BhutlahBrohan Finally Employed In My Field Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Most pro-union president in history, he said 😒 e: woo-hoo... a few sick days.

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u/Meikou133 Dec 01 '22

If only Biden were HALF the rabid socialist commie the right thinks he is…

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u/GeneralSaggyNuts Dec 01 '22

If he were 1/1000th they think he is.

Dude fucking blows

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u/Geminii27 Dec 01 '22

Break out the emergency Bernie

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Thinking this guy has just been indoctrinated is pretty naive. I’m almost positive he’s been confirmed to be on the Dems payroll.

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u/johnnyg08 Dec 01 '22

I think the railroad should stop railroading its employees.

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u/TheMikeGolf Dec 01 '22

Badum tiss

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u/DirtyPenPalDoug Dec 01 '22

They should strike anyway

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u/yat282 Communist Dec 01 '22

That's what I'd do if I was one of the rail workers. The government can't just come in like "we agreed to the deal for you". Like, do they really expect people to go back to work after that?

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u/meco03211 Dec 01 '22

"We agreed on your deal. Pray we do not agree on it further."

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u/sgt_choke_n_stroke Dec 01 '22

What are those sick days coming from? The government? Are you kidding, they should strike anyway, buffet and his cronies can pay for sick days.

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u/Volrund Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Remember when people liked to talk about Warren Buffet like he was the everyman's billionaire?

That he cared about the middle class, was pro-labor, etc.

One day people will learn, the people holding so much money they literally cannot spend it, will never be on your side.

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u/Joeness84 Dec 01 '22

Its impossible to make a billion dollars and not be a horrible human being.

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u/universalcode Dec 01 '22

I predict a record number of derailed trains in 2023.

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u/jamesconnollyisurdad Communist Dec 01 '22

Damn straight

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

What is he celebrating? The steamrolling of the workers under heel.

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u/henazo Dec 01 '22

That's exactly what he's celebrating. Democrats have gone center or far right in the last 8 years or so and this one is paid by Democrat PACs

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u/SpaceCases__ Dec 01 '22

This guy is just an angry asshole on Twitter. Always pipping up on the feeds. For a dad, he sure does spend more time on Twitter than with his kids.

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u/aGirlySloth Dec 01 '22

Maybe it’s for the best

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u/Insterstellar Dec 01 '22

He is literally paid by the Democrats to do this. On their payroll as campaign staff.

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u/shaddowkhan Dec 01 '22

He just posted about surprising his kids by telling them that Ryan Reynolds has followed him. I found that so weird.

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u/Draft-Repulsive Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Yikes. Dude needs to touch grass

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u/bigbussybussin Dec 01 '22

No this guy gets paid by the democrats lmao he’s a literal propagandist party mouth piece

https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/brooklyn-dad-influencer-slammed-for-taking-pac-money/amp/

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u/CreegsReactor Dec 01 '22

He is literally paid a lot of money by the DNC to tweet these things. He is a propagandizing shill and nothing more.

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u/FoxTailMoon Dec 01 '22

They were always center right. They’re Liberals, it’s in the definition.

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u/SlayerofDeezNutz Dec 01 '22

I’m confused. Doesn’t the bill passed by the house mandate that the railroad companies have to provide 7 days of paid sick leave to their workers?

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u/Alternative_Letter95 Dec 01 '22

there are two bills. the one that "averts the strike" is just straight up enforcing the contract on the workers. the one without sick leave.

the second bill says "give the workers 7 days of leave."

they are not in any way bound to each other. so obviously what will happen is the second will not pass, democrats will claim that they did all they could, and the workers will be fucked. not the first attempt at this kind of cynical half measure, not the last.

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u/MeppaTheWaterbearer Dec 01 '22

The Democrats have always been center-right at best lol

America has no left wing, they have a right wing and a far right wing

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u/vegemouse Dec 01 '22

Yeah not enough people realized this guy is just a paid shill for the DNC. He’s no different than any other bot spewing right wing talking points.

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u/Natskis Dec 01 '22

He's a democrat stooge who just cheers on whatever the team in the blue jersey does. If they voted the other way he'd have cheered for that too.

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u/MadlyToxic Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Fuck everyone who wrote this bill. If Congress really wants to help they should overhaul labor laws to guarantee paid sick leave for ALL workers.

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u/MrSquiggleKey Dec 01 '22

Honestly the first headline snipped I saw, was the house voted to mandate sick leave.

As an Australian I was in shock thinking The US had just passed legislation guaranteeing sick leave for all working Americans and some progressive policies had been enacted. Then I read the article and saw the levels of bullshit hidden behind a falsely positive headline.

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u/TheFuckingQuantocks Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Fellow Aussie here. The advent of social media has really shown me how lucky we are to live here. I used to think that most people in the US were living the privileged lifestyles we see in movies and TV shows.

Then again, the entire premise of Breaking Bad couldn't exist in an Australian setting. All neccessary medical bills would just be paid for by Medicare. No one here becoming a Carl Williams just to pay a hospital bill.

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u/giltwist Dec 01 '22

they should overhaul labor laws to guarantee sick leave.

Did they not also pass a law requiring 7 days of leave?

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u/Julianime Dec 01 '22

How exactly does one "avert a strike" without meeting the workers and establishing a compromise? Imposing your overbearing will onto the workers and trying to force them into unjust conditions for the sake of your profits is exactly what pushed the workers to snap back at the corporate overlords in the first place... why would they NOT simply strike in retaliation to not only their already existing conditions and demands, but now the delusional idea that passing some bill will magically do away with the choices already made by the workers with the free will and leverage?

I understand that the government puppets paid for by the corporations are greedy and don't care about workers and actively seek to suppress human rights as much as possible because the corporations own everything and everyone and freedom is nothing more than a concept we believe in, but could they really be so absolutely stupid enough as to believe they averted anything?

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u/Galaxymicah Dec 01 '22

The union can't strike because there will be a contract in place.

The workers themselves can still strike but because they will be breaking the union contract (even if the union didn't actually agree to the contract) they will not get the protections normally provided by the union. IE they can be fired immediately for it. They won't receive pay from the union to cover missed wages... etc etc

If union leadership is found to be supporting the strike they can be fined for it and possibly the union dissolved.

Tldr a strike is still on the table but it won't be union sanctioned which makes it a much riskier endeavor. So if only 10 percent or so strike they will likely just be fired and the rail will move on albeit with some serious delays

A large number could still strike and there wouldn't really be anything rail could do to stop it. But the government is hoping to make that unlikely by basically taking the union protections off the table.

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u/wheremypp Dec 01 '22

Nothing gets bipartisan support like working us to the bone so much that we stop asking questions

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u/TheWayNorth Dec 01 '22

It really says everything about the system, doesn’t it?

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u/joejoker94 Dec 01 '22

That dude is one of the most nauseating people on Twitter. He is so disrespectful & rude

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u/lookoutcomrade Dec 01 '22

It is fucked that congress can force a contract on these workers. Fuck the federal government and it's unconstitutional bullshit.

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u/henazo Dec 01 '22

It's not so much there forcing, they are preventing the union from organizing a strike by an act of Congress.

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u/crubleigh Dec 01 '22

Genuine question, how exactly is the act of congress preventing them from organizing a strike though? I don't think congress should intervene in labor disputes, particularly on the side against unions but what does congress intervening actually look like?

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u/Striking_Extent Dec 01 '22

Since they are union, it is probably somewhat difficult to fire them(unlike nearly all non-union jobs in the US where you can be fired at will). It requires proof of wrongdoing, often documented, and a meeting where the worker can bring a union rep who knows the rules and laws to argue on their behalf. You cannot be fired or retaliated against for striking by law. If there are layoffs there are likely requirements to rehire them in order of seniority, probably other protections too.

The union keeps funds of money that they use to help their workers when they need it. For example if they strike and aren't getting paychecks the union will pay them a little bit so they can at least survive.

If they strike "illegally" the union will be fined, possibly dissolved, and those protections will no longer apply. Additionally historically there have been personal fines for union leaders who support illegal strikes. Some of the above is law, and some is just guesses based on what my union is like.

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u/Advanced_Double_42 Dec 01 '22

Except all the power of the union is in the workers, losing their funding is a big blow, but it won't force them back to work

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u/Lord_Boo Dec 01 '22

They've already shown their cards about how damaging a strike will be. That means the union fund doesn't need to last for months at a time for this. Striking one to three days, by my understanding, will cause such catastrophic economic damage that it's going to be basically impossible to just "wait it out" compared to folding to the demands that they get their conditions and they get the finds and shit dropped. What are they gonna do? Demand enough fines that the union goes insolvent? When the union is the one holding almost all of the cards?

The workers need to organize the strike. The only options that will be left are that the workers get their way (whether by concession or government decree) or the enact violence on the people.

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u/HabeusCuppus Dec 01 '22

technically congress could force the rail lines to accept the union's preferred contract, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

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u/matt23-8 Dec 01 '22

My hope is that they get those 7 sick days and everyone uses them the same week!

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u/brupje Dec 01 '22

What does a sick day mean? Honest question, I don't understand how you can limit somebody's body to X days of sickness

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u/Draemon_ Dec 01 '22

Currently the union workers operate on a point system, where you get points for working so many days in a row without missing work. Something like a maximum of 30 points I think, no idea how fast they accumulate. But if you have to miss a day you lose points, and missing some days will lose you more points than others. I don’t know what happens exactly when you run out of points to lose, but I imagine it could eventually be you getting fired. The unions weren’t even asking for paid sick time, just unpaid sick days they could use whenever they needed to without penalty.

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u/froot_loop_dingus Dec 01 '22

Brooklyn Dad is one of the shittiest accounts on twitter

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u/sharkbanger Dec 01 '22

Paid for by political hack money too.

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u/Broad-Fortune6277 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

To put that ‚deal‘ in perspective:

In my country you get full pay for six weeks if you’re sick. And that’s just for one illness. If, let’s say after five weeks of struggling through covid - you work one week and then you’re sick with the flu, you have another six weeks of full pay and so on.

If you’re still sick with one illness after that period, your health insurance has to pay you 75% of your wage for up to 1,5 years!

It’s so frustrating that there is no worker solidarity. A general strike in the railroad industry would bring corporations and government to its knees in no time.

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u/tyrandan2 Dec 01 '22

I wish America hadn't been built on the backs of exploited and workers for... Literally all of our history. Obviously other countries figured out how to do it right.

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u/Broad-Fortune6277 Dec 01 '22

I think every nation was build on graves of exploited people. The social advantages in the European countries were also achieved through struggles. But at this point it is nearly buried history. The radical worker movement fought for those rights but the contemporary social democrats claim that they are the guardians of those achievements. Nothing could be further from the truth

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u/Vagrant123 Dec 01 '22

To be fair, other "first-world" nations were built on the backs of exploited labor.

But they had a hard reset after WWII. This gave them an opportunity to set better working conditions starting in the 50s. The US never had this hard reset, and so it continued on.

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u/Phreaky12 Dec 01 '22

WILD CAT WILD CAT WILD CAT

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u/vegemouse Dec 01 '22

Avert a rail strike, or just make it illegal? I’m really hoping they strike regardless.

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u/Sasumeh Dec 01 '22

I remember hearing some mouthpiece on the radio this morning say something to the effect of, "a rail strike would have a big impact on the economy." (Said as a negative)

I'm really sick and tired of people testing the economy like it's a fragile child we need to sacrifice ourselves for in order to save a few bucks for some execs. The economy is a reflection of the whole of society. Stop throwing workers under the bus because you're afraid you might have to pay a few bucks more when it's companies raking in record profits who are the problem.

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u/docsiege Dec 01 '22

he's a paid shill.

but yeah, this anti-union move by Dems is such a dumb play, if you're worried about public backlash. then again, it's right AFTER an election, so they can probably bank on a lot of people not remembering by the time the next election rolls around. the thing is, tho, everybody who's pro-union WILL remember, and pretty much the majority of those folks normally vote Dem, at least since Reagan.

it's transparently taking care of the rich at the expense of the poor.

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u/Frostiron_7 Dec 01 '22

Did they avert the strike by giving the workers what they needed, or by fucking them with a giant dildo in the interests of corporate greed?

I already know the answer, but if you don't, you should probably reflect on it.

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u/favouriteitem Communist Dec 01 '22

Lol this dude is such a chode

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u/Suzushiiro Dec 01 '22

Pretty sure this guy was a Cuomo defender back when the allegations that eventually ended him were first coming out.

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u/geckobrother Dec 01 '22

I mean, this idiot paid 8 bucks for a blue check, that's all I need to know about him

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u/lonewalker1992 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Didn't know build back better had a slavery component ... Those confederate democrats would be awfully proud right now

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u/Sarcarean Dec 01 '22

Biden: I support unions. Also Biden: fuck unions, get back to work!

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u/jabhooker Dec 01 '22

Cool, down with the working man...screw their families...reduced pay...more hours....LET'S GOOOO

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u/Kairukun90 Dec 01 '22

General strike is what we fucking need. Bring these “masters” down to their knees

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u/JBreezy11 Dec 01 '22

What exactly does the bill have that averts a rail road strike?

Get those workers some damn sick days! If it's so critical to our economy, maybe we should stop spending so much on defense and spend more on the real critical workers of the economy.

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u/MidLife_Crisis_Actor Dec 01 '22

Democrats just sided with ownership to undercut the workers and prevent them from negotiating a fair contract. I'll never vote for these hypocrites again.

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u/al_spaggiari Dec 01 '22

Strike anyway.

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u/BrandynBlaze Dec 01 '22

It’s kind of insane that we pretend we have a proud history of unions and workers rights and then just let the government tell unions they can’t strike and the whole country just accepts it. Strike anyway. Achieve the same things by doing what police unions do and just be incompetent and implement a work slow down. This is why labor has no power here and makes our political parties look like fucking jokes for even pretending to support labor.

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u/LiamMacGabhann Dec 01 '22

Nope. Fuck that and fuck that guy.

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u/WonderfullWitness Dec 01 '22

AOC has become a total sellout for voting Yes on this. Cudos to Talib who voted No.

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u/Naive-Mechanic4683 Dec 01 '22

I know it is probably unreasonable but is there a world in which everyone just quits?

No strike, just 100% of railroad workers quit. And the railroads can (re-)hire people if they manage to get good enough contracts.

I know it is impossible, but this whole situation is making me angry and irrational

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u/cahcealmmai Dec 01 '22

Better to stand with your fellow workers then do the American thing and go it alone. Not sure how things get better if they quit and try and negotiate as an individual with the company happily telling everyone as a group to get fucked... If you want to look at a very good way to deal with this as union workers, toys r us in Sweden is a good example.

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u/CloudyArchitect4U Dec 01 '22

The spin is strong with the blue dud.

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u/Slippinjimmyforever Dec 01 '22

Fuck the government for even getting involved.

It’s fine when some people don’t get coffee at a Starbucks. But risk billionaires profiteering? Shit, time to revoke the union workers rights to bargain.

Classic America. “Just when you need your “rights” the most, they rip them away from you.”- George Carlin.

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u/Avengefulsoul Dec 01 '22

I'm just gonna say the govt can't force you to work. The whole union quits on the spot then what?

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u/MagicalUnicornFart Dec 01 '22

Eat the fucking rich.

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u/DangerSpaghet Dec 01 '22

Im not American, but excuse me what the fuck? Since when do strikes and protests need to be government approved?

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u/666GTRrocker666 Dec 01 '22

Idiot cheerleaders for either political “team”

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u/HereOnASphere Dec 01 '22

My understanding is that the main issues weren't addressed. The lifestyle is horrific. It's caused by doubling the lengths of trains. Many trains are too long for sidings. This causes all sorts of delays and long shifts. Hire more people and limit the length of trains.

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u/nazerall Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I hope they strike anyway. Shut the fucking country down and show everyone how valuable labor is worth.

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u/luxtabula Dec 01 '22

Brooklyn Dad is what neoliberals cosplay as at Comic-Con.

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u/Professional_Bug_533 Dec 01 '22

"Even 79 Republicans voted in favor". No shit. They are owned by the exact same corporate overlords as the shitty neolib democrats. All this did was prove that none of them care at all for the people. It's all about business and making them money. Nothing more.

Why didn't they side in favor of the workers rather than the rail road owners? Why do the railroad workers have to fight for sick leave when every other industrialized nation just gives them to everyone? America is an absolute shithole and just getting worse. My only solice is that I'm in my mid forties and will hopefully be dead before they completely destroy the country.

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u/dank_imagemacro Dec 01 '22

So if all strikes are illegal, may as well well destroy the industrial machines while striking.

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u/rustycanon_ Dec 01 '22

two factions of a one party state. they have their differences and the differences matter, but fundamentally they are both anti-labor.

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u/Hoopy223 Dec 01 '22

Whenever it’s Bipartisan you can be sure we’re getting fucked in some way.

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u/Krytos Dec 01 '22

In any other country, the law would ensure those days off already. No "heroics" needed by any politicians. Simple.

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u/KittenKoderThird Dec 01 '22

There is a shit load of union busting propaganda about the bill that people are too stupid to read. There was actually a lot of resistance from both sides on this bill, even a few Republicans wanted more sick leave added.

Anyone who voted for this needs to be replaced next election.

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u/ZeBuGgEr Dec 01 '22

How does voting avert a strike? People can still just... not show up to work in an organized fashion.

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