r/dataisbeautiful OC: 73 Dec 01 '22 Wholesome 1

[OC] Brazil and Argentina are the top goal-scorers in World Cup history. OC

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u/Charizard3535 Dec 01 '22

Kind of silly to split West Germany from Germany, they are effectively the same country but just expanded. At most you should leave out East Germany but splitting it into three is excessive.

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u/Oxygenitic Dec 01 '22

Agreed, should be combined

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u/MortuusVenenum Dec 01 '22

Would also add up to a total of 231 goals so it would be place #1 barely before Brazil

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u/krichuvisz Dec 01 '22

Including one goal from the game Germany vs Germany in 1974.

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u/Kelp4411 Dec 02 '22

But then or wouldn't look as impressive :(

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u/Demo_Nemo Dec 01 '22

Yeah it becomes 226 goals in that case. The second most goals in World Cup History. So they can surpass Argentina in this cup.

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u/USA-cubicle-worker Dec 01 '22

FIFA considers Germany the second scorerer. This graph is shit.

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u/Black_Diammond Dec 01 '22

Don't forget east germany with 5. Being 231 goals. Germany is first.

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u/airborngrmp Dec 01 '22

I agree, but in 2014 I was messing with my German friend about Germany winning their "1st" world cup championship. Have to stay consistent.

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22

Yeah, if you count West Germany, East Germany and Germany together its at 231 therefore 2 goals ahead of Brazil

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u/DicksAndAsses Dec 01 '22

Not really fair as Germany had 2 teams in some world cups and even played and scored against each other. If Brazil had something like Nothern Brasil and Southern Brazil in a world cup, Brazil would also have more goals.

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22

East Germany scored a grand total of 5 goals.

I agree that it would be unfair to add them to the German total because they were playing at the same time.

But then you also have to add the dozen or so goals that Nazi Germany scored in the 1930ies.

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u/Mistigri70 Dec 01 '22

Having two teams is easier to make goals

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22

East Germany scored only 5 goals. I fully agree that it would be unfair to add them to the German total.

But what about the dozen or so goals that Nazi Germany scored in the 1930ies?

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u/Whocares_101 Dec 01 '22

This is the latinometrics group. Of course they are going to fudge data to make Latin American countries stats look better

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u/scuac Dec 01 '22

Well, you cannot simply combine them since a few times they were both in the same tournament

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u/Simpson500 Dec 01 '22

East and West Germany were together in the same tournament. But I think how this is normally calculated is by combining West Germany and Germany's goals together which makes the most sense since they are effectively the same country just expanded

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u/scuac Dec 01 '22

Yes, I didn’t realize there where three Germany in the graph

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u/11160704 Dec 01 '22

The only time the GDR competed on its own in a world Cup was in 1974 when they actually won a match against the Federal Republic.

Sports policy of the GDR always focused on sports where many medals could be won that's why they often appeared very high on the medal ranking of the Olympics.

So a comparison of Olympic medals won by Germany is much more distorted than the world Cup goals.

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u/gringawn Dec 01 '22

In 1974 both not only played at the World Cup, but also played at the same group.

They scored 7 goals at the first round of the group stage, including the goal scored by Germany against Germany, 8 goals in the second round of the group stage, and 2 goals at the final won by West Germany.

I don't know how fair is counting two teams at the same competition, but Germany is surely the heir of both. I think that both solutions: counting all of three or only West Germany + Germany, excluding East Germany, are unfair in some manner

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u/mfb- Dec 01 '22

The current Germany is the continuation of West Germany (which is an informal name - it has always been the "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" since 1949) in basically every aspect, the much smaller population of East Germany joined it. Adding West Germany and united Germany is the natural choice, East Germany can be shown separately.

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u/crunchybumble Dec 01 '22

Or to split goals from Yugoslavia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia etc. All together it’s more goals than Britain

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u/DavidDoesDallas Dec 01 '22

Very good point. Maybe England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland should be combined too.

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u/montgomeryyyy Dec 01 '22

The UK consists of individual countries with their own government. But West Germany and todays Germany are the practically one entity since they are the same government. (Federal Republic of Germany)

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u/Architectronica Dec 02 '22

The UK countries field individual teams for FIFA competitions.

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u/doubledragon44 Dec 02 '22

Why should you combine it? if there are two teams and not one. 22 players score more goals than 11 players.

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u/OhGollyJeez Dec 01 '22

Isn’t Mexico part of North America?

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u/turtleblue Dec 01 '22

It is, but they skirted it on technicalities by instead calling it "Northern America" and not calling it South or Central America but "LatAm and Carrib."

As far as being statistically relevant - well, it isn't. It's a division of a cultural identification against geographic regions without regard to the same.

As a feel-good graph by Latinometrics though about the world cup: I don't think any PhD's are going to be rewritten as a result, so whatevas.

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u/Mo-Cuishle Dec 01 '22

There's no reason to be grouping the countries in any cultural or geographic groups, just group them by their official FIFA governing bodies.

Mexico, Jamaica, Panama, Costa Rica, Haiti, El Salvador, and Cuba all play with USA and Canada in CONCACAF.

Australia and the Middle Eastern countries should be grouped with Asia as they play in AFC.

That way there's nothing that's "incorrect", makes no sense to do it by some arbitrary similarities that swaps between cultural and geographic.

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u/OhGollyJeez Dec 01 '22

Gotcha, thanks! Interesting breakdown nonetheless.

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u/raff7 Dec 01 '22

It is, but it’s also in Latin America.. the two are not mutually exclusive

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u/USA-cubicle-worker Dec 01 '22

This is a awful way to segregate the countries. FIFA has confederations for a reason. Mexico is part of CONCACAF and all of South America is in COMEBOL. OP should've used FIFAs method of denominating the continents.

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u/OhGollyJeez Dec 01 '22

Yup I missed that earlier

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

you guys always with the same comment in every chart we make 🫤

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u/Picolete Dec 01 '22

Yes, so?
edit: For some reason i saw the USA as the same color as Mexico

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u/OhGollyJeez Dec 01 '22

The regional breakdown is inaccurate then. Probably not but much, only a percent or two, but nonetheless this ends up being an inaccurate display of data.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

it's not. it says 'northern', not 'north'

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u/Jonathan-Shimshoni Dec 01 '22

If you combine Germany and West Germany it’s 226, 3 behind Brazil.

If you also include East Germany than it’s 231, 1st place.

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u/tejanaqkilica Dec 01 '22

Yeah but OP didn't do that, he purposefully left them out just so that he could say "Brazil and Argentina are the top goal scorers" despite the fact that Argentina has barely anymore goals that West Germany, a country which ceased to exist 30 years ago.

Biased OP.

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22

Technically the modern "Federal Republic of Germany" is the legal successor to "West Germany". Under all treaties, they are seen as the same country.
East Germany was incorporated into West Germany during the reunification so modern Germany is the legal successor of both.

West Germany is technically the legal successor of the 3rd Reich and of the Weimar Republic and the German Empire.

The graphics claims to include all goals since 1930, so there should also be also a few goals from Nazi Germany. The Nazis scored 3rd place in the world cup 1934. Where are these goals counted?

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u/Tkainzero Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Great detective work

Nazi Germany is not on the chart (11 goals in 1934) Thou they were just called germany then.

1938, it was legit Nazi germany and they scored 1 goal.

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u/Playerice Dec 01 '22

That is not how math works? Like germany had 2 teams playing at the same time meaning they could score possibly more goals in more matches than argentina and brazil, combining than even tho is logical makes a unfair comparison.

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u/tejanaqkilica Dec 01 '22

You might want to re read the previous comment. Germany and West Germany is 1 country 1 team, 2 different periods, but it's still for all purposes 1 team and its not unfair to anyone.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 01 '22

We used the same labels as the original source! Perhaps you're right, we should've combined them and also USSR + Russia

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u/USA-cubicle-worker Dec 01 '22

OP. This is a nice firsr draft but it's nowhere near finished. Why not separate by confederations like FIFA does.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

looking forward to your final version

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u/waszumfickleseich Dec 03 '22

ussr is not just russia

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u/DicksAndAsses Dec 01 '22

Can't combine the 3 of them cause they both played against each other. 226 goals for germany would be the right choice IMHO and reflect the dominance of both national teams in the World Cups.

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u/chaoticidealism Dec 01 '22

Only because you had to list both Germany and West Germany.

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u/Jonathan-Shimshoni Dec 01 '22

And East Germany

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

If East and West Germany are counted separately, why is there no entry for Nazi Germany? They were third in the world cup in 1934

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u/Strong_Magician_3320 Dec 03 '22

Because Nazi Germany wasn't divided and it's the same as the current Germany, just no longer Nazi

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u/Imperial_Empirical Dec 01 '22

So? Countries have changed. Take Russia and the Soviet Union. Or Yugoslavia and all it's offsprings. They are all still goals from valid teams on the same continent.

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u/PresBillyJeff Dec 01 '22

But West Germany did not go away or become a new country. The goals scored on this chart for Germany and West Germany were all for the same country, the Bundesrepublik Deutschland (“BRD” or Federal Republic of Germany), not for two different countries. The BRD was founded in 1949 and is the Germany you know today, and is the same country informally known as “West Germany” during the Cold War. East Germany basically collapsed and was absorbed into the BRD.

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u/AtomZaepfchen Dec 01 '22

west Germany and germany is the same country legally.

east germany is fine to take out but even then i think they only scored 5 goals or something. germany and westgermany should be combined.

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u/PresBillyJeff Dec 01 '22

Exactly. Isn't that what I said?

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u/AtomZaepfchen Dec 01 '22

replied to the wrong one Chief

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u/PresBillyJeff Dec 01 '22

Makes sense, boss. :)

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u/tj0909 Dec 01 '22

If you add East and West Germany that would be unfair, as Germany would potentially get double the games to score goals.

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u/PresBillyJeff Dec 01 '22

Totally agree. And nothing I said was suggesting counting East Germany as the same as today’s Germany. In fact I was saying that Germany and West Germany are the same country but East Germany was a different country. Different country, different team = goals shouldn’t count.

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u/Nuimee Dec 01 '22

Yes, but technically West Germany and current Germany are the same country. We changed neither our name nor our constitution during the reunion, today's Germany is essentially just West Germany with added territory. These two really should be one entry.

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u/Imperial_Empirical Dec 01 '22

Should you then not als add East-Germany? And the German constitution definitely changed since 1930!

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u/ymaldor Dec 01 '22

That's not what the comment meant. He means the constitution of west Germany the day before reunification stayed the same when the reunification happened, hence the argument that unified Germany being essentially west Germany with added territory.

East Germany however, is definitely a diff country since it was managed by different governments.

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u/11160704 Dec 01 '22

Whether it was a different country is disputed. De facto it was but de jure the Federal Republic never recognised the GDR as a sovereign country.

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u/ymaldor Dec 01 '22

So if not different country just occupied territory then I guess? Not "germany" either way i'd say. People Germans sure but the place, not Germany.

But west and Germany definirely

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u/11160704 Dec 01 '22

The GDR was definitely just as German as the federal Republic

Like in Vietnam or Korea there were two entities.

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u/Nuimee Dec 01 '22

East Germany should be their own country. It was a different entity after all. And who's talking about 1930, the reunion was on the 3rd of October 1990. There's also a difference between changing some paragraphs of your constitution and founding a new state. The BRD is legally the same state now, after the reunion, as it was when it was founded after WWII. The DDR meanwhile doesn't exist anymore.

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u/11160704 Dec 01 '22

Legally it is even the same state as in 1871 even though the constitution changes massively.

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u/Nuimee Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

That is not actually true, it's more a legal heritage kinda thing. The BRD is the current legal successor, yes, but not the same state.

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u/11160704 Dec 01 '22

It's not just heritage, it's a continuation. The federal Republic took over all the assets and liabilities of the Reich and by the way also all the assets and liabilities of the GDR after reunification.

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u/genericgod Dec 01 '22

And the German constitution definitely changed since 1930!

The German Federal Republic (called West Germany until 1990) was founded in 1949. The constitution (Grundgesetz) exists since then.

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u/Doortofreeside Dec 01 '22

West Germany's titles are traditionally counted under Germany's titles tiday

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u/tjhc_ Dec 01 '22

The absense of the German Empire would suggest that they count 1934/38 as Germany though. It is at least not completely consistent.

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u/Imperial_Empirical Dec 01 '22

Exactly, that was my point. It would make more sense to split that part off then.

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u/grog23 Dec 01 '22

Thtey haven’t changed. West Germany and Germany are the same country

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u/vatoniolo Dec 01 '22

That would not have changed the title...

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u/Black_Diammond Dec 01 '22

It would. Total west, east and modern Germany has 231 goals beating Brasil.

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u/vatoniolo Dec 01 '22

Sorry I meant the 27% of all goals title of the chart, not the post title

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u/MonkeyMD3 Dec 01 '22

Kuwait is Asia & not Middle East?

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u/chouseva Dec 01 '22

It was a bit weird that countries were grouped by continent, except some of the Middle East.

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u/MonkeyMD3 Dec 01 '22

Yeah. That's the only Region put in that's not a continent. I guess Oceania but that's mostly Australia

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Dec 02 '22

Just to be confusing, in 2006 Australia left the Oceania football confederation to join the Asian Football Confederation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

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u/DrLongIsland Dec 01 '22

Also Mexico is technically north America, but it's grouped with Latin America, which also is not a "continent" thing (assuming continent is a geographic entity) but more of a "cultural" distinction, which honestly makes sense if we're talking about soccer.

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u/JuRiOh Dec 01 '22

Not combining West Germany and Germany, which are one and the same country, looks like a hidden agenda to make LATAM look somehow better. FIFA clearly lists Germany as number two for most goals scored as well.

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u/scuac Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

But they have both played on the same tournament occasionally, so you cannot simply add them.

Edit: I thought you meant combining west and east Germany, I just realized that there are three Germany in the graph, that is ridiculous

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u/MrXd9889 Dec 01 '22

There wasn't a time when both existed at the same time. East Germany is on there as well

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u/EnteFetz Dec 01 '22

Are the goals scored by Nazi Germany also counted?

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Dec 02 '22

The Austrian team qualified for the 1936 world cup, then were Anschluss-ed out of the competition. The German coach was forced to add 5 Austrian players, who combined for Germany's worse performance that century.

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u/Far-Two8659 Dec 01 '22

This is a very weird categorization to have split out North America but not include North American countries in it because they are "Latin American."

You're using geography for everything but Latin America. Why not use culture for all of it?

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u/Zenzayy Dec 01 '22

Yeah, this sub fucking sucks because people just upvote whatever. The majority of the top posts are garbage visualizations of data, and faulty statistical annalysis in some way

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u/Sliiiiime Dec 01 '22

Might as well put the USA in there, more Latino than Brazil

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u/Far-Two8659 Dec 01 '22

Especially when they have Jamaica and Haiti as Latin America.

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u/USA-cubicle-worker Dec 01 '22

Can you explain how USA is more Latino than Brasil?

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u/Sliiiiime Dec 01 '22

The US has either the 2nd or 3rd most Spanish speakers in the world.

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u/USA-cubicle-worker Dec 01 '22

That's not what being Latino means. Multiple countries in Latin American don't speak Spanish natively.

Counting Spanish speakers as Latino is fucking ignorant as shit.

Brasil has a population of over 200 million. 1/3 of Latin Americans are Brazilian.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

it says 'northern' america, not north america

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u/Far-Two8659 Dec 02 '22

Yes, that's my point. You have Europe, Asia, Africa, and other geopolitical regions, but then you don't use North America and South America, which would be consistent with the others.

You could, alternatively, not use any of the geopolitical regions and instead do entirely cultural ones: Latin America, Northern America, Western European, Eastern European/Russia, Southeast Asia, etc. This seems to be your goal, but you're only doing it for Latin America and literally no other cultural or ethnic group.

You should pick one and be consistent. These groupings are inconsistent.

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u/vaskopopa OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

Wait a minute. If you combine Germany with E and W Germany, you will get 231 goals which would overtake Brazil. I think that should be a headline, with combined Europe accounting for over 50% of the goals. In fact just top 6 European countries have more than entire N and S America!

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u/Vaprc Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

UEFA = 13 spots

CONMEBOL = 4.5 spots

(CONCACAF doesn't help much)

So your headline isn't great either

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u/vaskopopa OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

Sure and there is a point to be made on the merits of uefa numbers but OPs headline is factually wrong.

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u/Kolkom Dec 01 '22

If you don't include West Germany's goals in Germany's tally, you can't count their world cup victories in '54 and '74. That would cause world war 3!

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u/Rapierian Dec 01 '22

I still hate this format of "pie chart"

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u/Radiant-Square-3623 Dec 01 '22

It’s out of date unfortunately, England now have 100

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u/TailorNormal Dec 01 '22

And Canada have 1

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u/Haleighoumpah Dec 01 '22

Now 2 - We're doubling every 4 days!

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u/who_you_are Dec 01 '22

Woop Woop!

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u/Doortofreeside Dec 01 '22

Hungary is a real shocker. I've always followed the world cup closely since 94 and I don't recall them ever qualifying. To have outscored teams like the Netherlands is crazy. They must've poured in on during the cold war

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u/Sir_Parmesan Dec 02 '22

Hungary last qualified to 1986 Mexico.

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u/Ekvinoksij Dec 01 '22

Added up Yugoslavia+ex-Yu score very high.

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u/Ghrota Dec 01 '22

I'm not even german but can we give please the west germany goal to germany and give them the 2nd scorer place? As far as i know, germany and west germany never compete both in the same competition

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Dec 02 '22

give them the 5 for East Germany and they take the lead.

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u/Ghrota Dec 02 '22

Not fair , they should have either west or east because they were compeeting at the same time

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u/JaxTaylor2 Dec 01 '22

The way I read this is “non-LatAm countries have scored 2 out of every 3 World Cup goals.”

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u/HockeyMike34 Dec 01 '22

Shouldn’t west Germany’s goal total be added to Germany?

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u/AagaySheun Dec 01 '22

Isn’t the Middle East part of Asia? Countries like Iran and Iraq participate in the Asia cup.

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u/AsABlackMan Dec 01 '22

What’s wrong with a pie chart?

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u/leolecal Dec 01 '22

It's supposed to look like a football

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u/AsABlackMan Dec 01 '22

Pie charts can look like footballs.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

it's a pieball

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u/RD__III Dec 01 '22

I mean, this tracks. Latin America is close to the population of Europe, and has a lot of soccer culture. Surprised it's not higher TBH.

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u/leolecal Dec 01 '22

Only 5 South American countries can classify to the world cup, as for Europe is at least 13. That must explain something. Also, Europeans have more titles now. They go further in the competition scoring more goals.

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u/duranemmi_69 Dec 01 '22

TURKEY IS NOT MİDDLE EAST

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u/Niklear Dec 01 '22

I mean if you look up a bunch of sources on Google technically it is, but so many of these countries past and present in this list are just inconsistent AF.

Why go with "Middle East" and "Latin America" yet compare these regions with actual continents? Furthermore, if you ARE including the Middle East, how do you decide where Egypt, which falls both into the Middle East group (according to several sources) and Africa, gets placed?

Then there's the clusterfuck that is Germany, East Germany, and West Germany which combined would be the number one overall. Not to mention the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia in particular is interesting in this mix because there's also Serbia, Serbia, and Montenegro which were called Yugoslavia for a while, and then there's the Yugoslavia of old, but there's also Bosnia, Slovenia, and Croatia in the mix. I'm a little more iffy on Soviet Union geography so I won't even go into that Pandora's box, but this chart is shit. This data is most definitely NOT beautiful.

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u/chromeVidrio Dec 01 '22

Why does this matter though?

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

because we 💌 latam

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u/Niklear Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

HAH! Latinometrics. Could you be any more biased?!

Germany + West Germany + East Germany = 231 (1st place)

Yugoslavia + Serbia + Serbia & Montenegro + Croatia + Slovenia + Bosnia & Herzegovina = 110 (6th place)

Russia + Soviet Union + Ukraine (feels so weird including this now) = 82 (11th place after Hungary/Uruguay)

Finally, Mexico, and "Central America" technically fall under the North American umbrella.

This is the r/dataisbeautiful equivalent of "taking a dive" which is something both Brazil and Argentina are infamous for.

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Dec 02 '22

Only thirteen teams (seven from South America, four from Europe, and two from North America) entered the 1930 tournament in Montevideo.

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u/Niklear Dec 02 '22

What's your point here? That South America had more teams in a tournament held IN South America during a time where unless you were from that region you had to travel insane distances by boat which would have taken teams weeks or even months?

No one is understating the impact South America has had on the world of football as a whole, but this entire post is ridiculously biased and trying to make things skewed towards South America a hell of a lot more than they really are. It's just ego stroking and chest puffing.

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u/GreyGreenBrownOakova Dec 03 '22

What's your point here?

The 1930 world cup goals shouldn't even be counted as it wasn't a true world cup.

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u/Niklear Dec 03 '22

Ah I see, well yes. Not only that but because it was the first one there's been talks that the local refs were extremely biased and even flat out cheated. Whether that's true or not is impossible to ascertain but considering the situation it is very likely.

Either way some of those early "world cups" should definitely be omitted.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

the leyend says 'northern' america. Mexico is not part of that

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u/Sattanzinho Dec 02 '22

131 + 95 = 226 That's second place actually, but they indeed should be counted together

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u/Niklear Dec 02 '22

Between Germany and Italy there 5 more for East Germany. Those should be included as well.

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u/Sattanzinho Dec 02 '22

I see, I didn't catch that

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u/ChainsawUrFridge Dec 01 '22

How are these kinds of visualizations created? I only really use Tableau and Power BI but they don’t produce visualizations like these. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

rawgraphs and affinity designer

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u/resorcinarene Dec 01 '22

What about goals per game?

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u/JCPRuckus Dec 01 '22

Am I correct in understanding this to mean that Canada doesn't produce a World Cup team?

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u/RedmondBarry1999 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

They do, and they just scored their first-ever goal on Sunday. They still lost the game and were eliminated, though.

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u/NotatallRacist Dec 01 '22

They have 2 goals now! Need to update chart

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u/JCPRuckus Dec 01 '22

Ah... So how many times had they entered without ever scoring? This is genuinely the most interested I've ever been in anything World Cup related.

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u/RedmondBarry1999 Dec 01 '22

They had only qualified once before this year, in 1986.

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u/JCPRuckus Dec 01 '22

Okay, that's not so bad then. (I'll refrain from asking you how many times they've failed to qualify... Lol)

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u/RedmondBarry1999 Dec 01 '22

In our defence, Canada is actually quite good at women's soccer (we won gold at the Olympics last year).

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u/JCPRuckus Dec 01 '22

Just like the US... See, as much as you guys try to deny it you are every bit America's hat... 😉

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u/jewhealer Dec 01 '22

Why is Kuwait in Asia, but Iran is Middle East?

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

our bad!

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u/tdud123 Dec 01 '22

I reckon this should be organized by continental administrations, such as having USA, Mexico, and Jamaica all under CONCACAF rather than splitting them between North and Latin America, especially as that’s how qualifying for the World Cup is determined

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

They also hold the record for diving.

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u/Roadkill_Bingo OC: 2 Dec 01 '22

Hair splitting aside, the thesis of this chart is still striking. Latin Americans are football fiends!!

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u/Sad_Relationship4235 Dec 01 '22

Why is Turkey in middle east?

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u/kingkeren Dec 01 '22

TIL Kuwait is in Asia but Iran and Iraq are both in the middle east

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u/oaktreebr Dec 01 '22

Northern America? What does that even mean?

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u/imGnarly Dec 01 '22

If you group all Germanies into one, they are the top scorers with 231

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u/vindictivejazz Dec 01 '22

Canada has never scored a goal in the World Cup?

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u/JN324 Dec 01 '22

Fontaine has four more goals in one tournament than Greece and Wales combined have ever.

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u/Zenzayy Dec 01 '22

Lmao, not counting west german goals as German goals, Yeah whatever works for your title

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u/brightneonmoons Dec 01 '22

a whole region and color for the US lmao talk about American exceptionalism, way to go, totally not a shitty way to present info

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u/Dense_Relation1561 Dec 01 '22

Let’s appreciate Canada. They have two goals. Add them to the list!

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u/ihatepalmtrees Dec 01 '22

It be more interesting to see total average goals per participated in World Cup goals. That way countries that joined later or missed a few cups could be weighted correctly. Mexico should be grouped with USA btw.

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u/wofulunicycle Dec 01 '22

Brazilians will never be over 2014, it seems.

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u/jthoff10 Dec 02 '22

Lol let’s use some continents and some not continents…

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u/polite-pagan Dec 02 '22

Please decide whether Kuwait is in the “Middle East” or Asia

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u/JaRon1961 Dec 02 '22

Hey Canada has a goal now. Two even if you count the own goal Morocco scored. This injustice must be rectified!

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 02 '22

yes! finally

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u/SnooOnions1599 Dec 02 '22

What program did you use for the visualization?

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u/wnaj_ Dec 02 '22

Insane that Germany after reunification has more goals than England

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u/Last-Caterpillar-112 Dec 02 '22

Should’ve just said Brazil… by a big margin.

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u/porsche_gt2_2004 Dec 02 '22

r/CrappyDesign

Kuwait is not the Middle East

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u/Strong_Magician_3320 Dec 03 '22

Kuwait is in the Middle East though

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 03 '22

yes our bad

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u/Ziegfried_SvR Jan 01 '23

We need to update this plot

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u/Heckler4 Jan 02 '23

Why is Mexico not North America? As a Canadian, we need their numbers.

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u/latinometrics OC: 73 Dec 01 '22

Source: Fjelstul World Cup Database

Tools: Excel, Rawgraphs, Affinity Designer

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u/Increase-Null Dec 01 '22

Just a heads up since it seems like you don't know much about Football's organization. This organization has heavily impacted rivalries and culture.

It would be better to sort them by Federations. Central American countries not South American in a football sense. They aren't in CONMEBOL. They don't much history or tradition related to that region. They do get invited occasionally but like... so has Japan.

Another example would be Turkey, they are in the European federation despite being geographically in Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_federations

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u/squareoctopus Dec 01 '22

I wonder what this is inversely proportion to…

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u/Lies_about_homeland Dec 01 '22

Don’t be coy, what are you thinking?

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u/squareoctopus Dec 01 '22

Soccer (Futbol) is used here as a distraction tool. These two countries in particular had world cups in the middle of brutally criminal dictatorships.