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[OC] How media divides us: CNN vs Fox News - What stories or topics are they pushing over the last week (Nov 24rd to Dec 1st)? How do they compare to Reuters? OC

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u/DazedWithCoffee Dec 01 '22

OP, let’s make this a weekly analysis

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

It exists with more bells and whistles! And I need all of your feedback to make it useful.

topdown.substack.com

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u/kingkevykev Dec 02 '22

Could you add msnbc and bbc to this?

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

BBC is in there. Will add MSNBC

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u/alcimedes Dec 02 '22

AP and NPR would be fantastic, I think both do a decent job of covering 'all' the news, and would love to know if that's accurate or not.

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u/Infamous_Row_5677 Dec 05 '22

Yeah and add OAN, Breitbart, and NY post.

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u/Intrigued_by_Words Dec 02 '22

What type of feedback would be most helpful to you?

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

What filled your picture and led to something where you could say to a friend TIL blah blah? What wasn’t helpful?

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u/Fnjrockerstein Dec 02 '22

I shared it on Twitter and Facebook. I also spent some time learning about oysters. Apparently they can help fight cancer, or make you sick.

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u/Barakahzai Dec 02 '22

Hi, just a bit of feedback on this - I think you need to be more careful in how you're wording the Left vs. Right perspective content summaries. For example, I was just browsing your substack and came across this:

"There Is Tension Between Democrat Senators And Elon Musk, Twitter Is Suspending Accounts Make Menacing Tweets, And Musk Is Planning To Make Twitter More Transparent And Even-handed

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The right is criticizing the left for their obsession with Twitter, saying that it is embarrassing. They are also praising Elon Musk for his plans to relaunch a premium Twitter service, saying that it will give more power to people like Vladimir Putin. (1) (2) (3)"

The way this is worded, it sounds like the right is praising Elon Musk for the new premium service because it will give more power to people like Putin. This didn't pass the smell test for me, given that there is widespread, bipartisan antipathy towards Putin due to the Ukraine War. I had a quick read through the links, and the only mention of Putin in those links was a CNN analyst being criticised for arguing that the premium service would empower people like Putin. The entire article was dismissing the concern, saying that it was bizarre and that there was no evidence to sustain it. That's a far cry from praising the premium service on the basis that it will give Putin more power.

I think you need to be really careful about stuff like that. If those snippets are AI generated, you should probably give them another once over, and if not, maybe have someone else you trust give a read through with a fresh pair of eyes, just to give them a quick 'sense check'.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

I appreciate this a lot and agree with you. The perspective thing is the newest thing I’m testing out and needs a lot of work

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u/KJackson1 Dec 02 '22

More cowbell please

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u/Piwx2019 Dec 02 '22

I think you should include for networks. It’s be great to see network vs cable. Then MSNBC, FOX, CNN Regardless this is cool

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u/23tux Dec 02 '22

Any chance to get European media included?

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u/JEMegia Dec 02 '22

Excellent content!!

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u/DazedWithCoffee Dec 02 '22

Thank you for doing such great work OP. How do you feel about data archives of your work? I’m of the opinion that the news stories themselves are only part of the picture, and giving light to how much the public engages with them is integral to understanding their reach. All this to say: is there way to distribute the raw data for r/datahoarders or submit it to internet archive such that posterity can enjoy this puzzling moment in history that we live in?

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u/shoobawatermelon Dec 02 '22

I’m not understanding the blue grey and red boxes in your top down reports. I know blue is left grey center and red right but I can’t figure out what the number of boxes is indicating? Is it the number of headlines? That needs to be called out. I also would suggest stacking them instead of putting them next to each other.

I wanted to send this to my dad who has the terrible habit of reading only right wing media but the layout of the page on mobile is cluttered so I don’t think he would be able to get value out of it. I know that web design and UX is not the original goal but providing more breakers between the top 3 headlines would be nice.

I would consider on each post to link directly to the methodology and not have that buried within the “how this works” page

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

I wanted to send this to my dad who has the terrible habit of reading only right wing media but the layout of the page on mobile is cluttered so I don’t think he would be able to get value out of it. I know that web design and UX is not the original goal but providing more breakers between the top 3 headlines would be nice.

I would consider on each post to link directly to the methodology and not have that buried within the “how this works” page

thank you this is great feedback

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u/TransposingJons Dec 02 '22

We need to, since CNN was just bought out by a MAGA Trump supporter.

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u/elpardo1984 Dec 02 '22

It’s still owned by TimeWarnerDiscover.

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u/somedood567 Dec 02 '22

Wait who bought cnn? I would think liberals would be way more interested in keeping cnn on the team

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u/Graylily Dec 02 '22

see that the difference, every liberal i know just wants as neutral news as possible, no teams, no leaning, and every conservative I know has a team mentality because if the truth is not reflecting their values then how can it be the truth?! frustrating as hell

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u/ikillhim Dec 02 '22

wants as neutral* news as possible

neutral as defined by my subjective worldview)

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u/houstonyoureaproblem Dec 02 '22

My subjective world view prefers news about things that are actually happening. That immediately eliminates nearly every right leaning source.

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u/itsjusttts Dec 02 '22

Something with John Malone and TimeWarner, I'm not finding the details I remember hearing though

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u/CannonPinion Dec 02 '22

As of May, the head of CNN News is Chris Licht, who was the executive producer and showrunner of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, hosted by notable right-winger Stephen Colbert, from the Colbert Report, so perhaps this whole MAGA takeover of CNN is the real deal...

(/s, obvs)

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u/Bird767 Dec 02 '22

We should

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u/PoopOnMyPinky Dec 01 '22

I want to know more about " Raw Oysters Nutrition Cancer "

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u/RoeRoeRoeYourVote Dec 01 '22

Ah, so not the nutrition of raw oysters being linked to cancer. Separate topics. Got it.

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u/Maca2166 Dec 02 '22

They really did butcher that one

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u/BurnerForJustTwice Dec 01 '22

Who be eating frozen oysters from Korea raw?! You are asking to get sick. I would not eat raw oysters unless I know they were fresh and live shucked less than 10 mins ago.

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u/Pupperochini Dec 02 '22

Article says they were harvested Feb 6th and served Oct 28th - Nov 5th 🤮🤢

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u/uselessadjective Dec 01 '22

Jokes of them, I don't watch any TV just the YT, Netflix, HBO garbage

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u/doubleapowpow Dec 01 '22

I still wouldnt eat raw oysters.

Its probably better to get farmed oysters in this regard, but I've heard too many stories of people picking up and sucking down fresh oysters in the wild and getting pretty bad food poisoning from Vibriosis. And thats in the same waters as some major oyster farms in the Pacific Northwest.

There's no noticable difference between bad and good oysters, but you can kill the bacteria through cooking. Oysters are water filters. Who knows what they've filtered out of our water? Cook em, I say.

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u/hokie47 Dec 01 '22

I absolutely love raw oysters. Have probably have had almost 1000 times in the last 20 years, never been sick.

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u/KJackson1 Dec 02 '22

"I did this, and turned out fine!"

Yeah not really great evidence of something being good.

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u/KoolDiscoDan Dec 02 '22

Well, I can say judging by their name, they’re probably a fellow Virginian. We have really good oysters in a decently managed aquaculture. The other guy with vibriosis concerns is on the west coast. Perhaps Pacific oysters are more prone to it? I also like raw oysters and have never been sick. The past decade it’s been predominantly Rappahannock oysters.

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u/LGCJairen Dec 02 '22

Im a mid atlantean as well. Never been sick from the local oysters.

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u/LGCJairen Dec 02 '22

Same. Had maybe 1 instance of the shits but thats also nothing new for me

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u/THEBAESGOD Dec 02 '22

Holy shit, my county’s health department lists all the confirmed norovirus and vibriosis outbreaks from restaurants over the last year and I’ve eaten at half of them. I think you’ve changed my mind about raw oysters.

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u/_AlreadyTaken_ Dec 01 '22

The real crime here is eating frozen oysters shipped from halfway around the world

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u/cillam Dec 02 '22

At this point everything is linked to cancer, including meet and rain water.

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u/CheCheCheCheeto Dec 02 '22

This is fucking fascinating to me. I go to the gym every morning and the only channels on all of the TV's are cnn and Fox news. I've been trying to explain to my boyfriend for a while now how strange it is to watch them both simultaneously every morning. The difference is so staunch it feels like two different worlds. Oof. The data speaks for itself.

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u/ctl-alt-replete Dec 02 '22 Gold

Yes. And it’s even worse when you consider social media feeds. My (now ex) girlfriend was very liberal and when I’d see her scrolling on her feed it was nonstop ‘Trump is literally Hitler. Here’s why.’ posts. Meanwhile, if I peaked at a conservative friend’s feed it would be nonstop ‘Obama is literally Hitler. Here’s why.’ posts.

It’s very disturbing that two people in the same place can have completely opposite world views depending solely on the sources they use.

I cancelled most of my social media soon after. I stopped watching the news years earlier. When there’s an important topic I need to know about, I MUST hear both sides of the issue FROM THEIR SOURCES before forming an opinion.

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u/th1a9oo000 Dec 02 '22

FROM THEIR SOURCES

But the validity of both sources are far from the same. Left leaning media may exaggerate, but right leaning media just makes shit up.

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u/hulking1234 Dec 02 '22

I hear you, and get where you’re coming from….but only one of those former presidents just had dinner with the ‘I love hitler and go death con 3 on the Jews’ guy (after both those things were common knowledge) so like…maybe one side’s sources have some better points despite the obvious layer of hysteria, and maybe we don’t need to hear from both sides sources - one can critically think about various angles of issues without indulging tribal propaganda.

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u/iheartrandom Dec 02 '22

A better way than trying the "both sides" approach is to look outside of America for how the world views our stories. Pick a media outlet or a few that you think are reliable, fact-first, and not us based. Check those first. You'll get far more accurate news and less opinion. Good luck out there

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u/Xelaxander Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

The EU angle is relatively easy to summarize: bewilderment about all your gun deaths and how an orange could become president, kinda glad for the support with Ukraine but uncomfortable with US nationalism and power plays. Also there's a risk of a trade war between EU and US due to the Inflation Reduction act, at least Macron is pissed. W.r.t CNN versus Fox News: CNN lost a lot of respect in the last few years, but Fox News has been viewed as a complete circus and is generally despised.

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u/saffa05 Dec 02 '22

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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u/HieronymusGoa Dec 02 '22

bc fox news is a complete circus and should be generally despised.

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u/trippleknot Dec 02 '22

I think many Americans haven't left their home town let alone visited another country. I agree with what you're saying but I think the issue with it is that so many people still think America is the greatest, and think other countries are commies.

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u/Orangelilyprincess Dec 02 '22

As someone who studied International Relations, this absolutely spot on. I also wouldn't refer to Reuters as neutral either, but compared to CNN and Fox honestly everything looks moderate. I would strongly recommend everyone to read a variety of sources for their consumption of global news. Not only news agencies from our own countries, but also others- even those that aren't in a political/military/economic alliance with our own country. I think generally it helps keeps a well-rounded attitude towards all sorts of news, and makes you understand the complexities of issues. Nothing is truly black and white. Sometimes what we call other countries' news as propaganda, is also what other countries are accusing us for. I would also recommend knowing the news agencies' attitudes towards their own governments as well. If it's too positive, but also too negative (in the sense that it's only critical for the sake of being critical), healthy criticism is warranted. You want those that are fair in both their criticisms and support.

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u/ctl-alt-replete Dec 02 '22

You’re right in that one side WILL have better points. I want to decide that for myself. The scary thing about propaganda is that you don’t know it’s propaganda until you’re exposed to the other side. So you’re wrong that ‘you don’t need to hear both sides’. Propaganda, by definition, is when you’re spoonfed only one side of the story. People in North Korea truly believe they live in the most advanced nation on earth, because they’ve never seen anything else.

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u/AlexanderDaychilde Dec 02 '22

The flip side of that is that listening to North Korea and South Korea and assuming the real truth must be in the middle of those is dangerous as well. So it's not good to listen to "both sides" if one side is outright lying.

If everyone was equally trying to tell the truth, then your idea would have merit. But that's not the case.

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u/mygreensea Dec 02 '22

assuming the real truth must be in the middle of those

Nobody said that.

Listening to both sides does not mean taking them at face value, only that you're covering all your bases.

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u/Excellent-Concert243 Dec 02 '22

As an outsider (German) it is more than obvious that FOX tends much more to the propaganda side tham CNN does

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u/JohnGalt123456789 Dec 02 '22

I sure the heck don’t know why you are being down voted??!!

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u/LemonySniffit Dec 02 '22

Yet if one were to look at how many drone strikes one of those presidents ordered and how many wars he started and military interventions, etc. vs how the other one said mean things on Twitter it becomes easy to see how it is very important to have multiple sources and only a fool would think the morality of these leaders are as black and white as you paint them to be.

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u/hulking1234 Dec 02 '22

Not painting anything as black and white - but you also highlight my point. If you are differentiating media sources, ‘right wing’ and ‘left wing’ operate within a bubble that allows for those extremes but also ignores the ‘third side’. Corporate media is garbage, but some of that garbage is in a neatly packed bag and some of it is a flaming pile of shit left on your porch. Id rather deal with the former than the latter.

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u/EbMinor33 Dec 02 '22

So tired of the "said mean things on Twitter" talking point, as if that's anybody's only complaint about Trump.

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u/HieronymusGoa Dec 02 '22

jesus christ. you dont need "both sides" for every issue if the issue is as clear as is trump/obama. trump IS much more hitler than obama (if someone even wants to make such a shitty argument), regardless of news sources. every non-american can easily tell you that.

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u/ctl-alt-replete Dec 02 '22

You’re missing the point entirely. The question isn’t: Is Trump more Hitler than Obama?

Please understand what the issue is. The issue is that, if you only hear one side of the story, you could end up believing that the wrong guy is guilty. There’s a reason why, in a court of law, both sides get to argue their points. THEN the jury decides who is right and wrong. Don’t you agree that’s necessary?

Don’t make this about something else.

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u/chishiki Dec 02 '22

dunno man in a court of law one side is not allowed to flat out perjure themselves for 60 minutes straight

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u/Kryven13 Dec 02 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

You’re missing the point entirely. The question isn’t: Is Trump more Hitler than Obama?

Actually, that is exactly the question faux wants. No "both sides" to it. The thing about court cases is that you have a judge over it that gets to call out when one side is making blatantly false statements.

No, your "both sides" would put actual PhD scientists against tin foil hat flat earthers as "both being equally worth hearing"

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u/alesimula97 Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

Non-american here, if you use wars and civilian drone strikes as data to establish that, Obama might come out way closer to Hitler than Trump does

Of course, if we ignore belligerency and death counts (which are a minor aspect of Hitler's character anyway), then sure, Trump is practically Hitler

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u/Deinococcaceae Dec 02 '22

if you use wars and civilian drone strikes as data to establish that, Obama might come out way closer to Hitler than Trump does

This is a particularly bad example because the Trump administration both increased frequency of strikes and rolled-back reporting requirements for civilian casualties.

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u/techyguru Dec 03 '22

If we stop testing for covid civilian casualties then there will be less cases.

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u/Skinholexpert69 Dec 02 '22

How many wars did Trump start?

How many countries did Obama drop bombs on?

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u/trippleknot Dec 02 '22

I used to work for NBC, our local studio was one of the most equipped in the area so we also would shoot and edit (non live) segments for Fox. It was so strange. "The news" is absolutely fuckered.

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u/qthedoc Dec 02 '22

Hate and inability to respect opposing opinions is at at a scary all time high.

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u/Tryignan Dec 01 '22

And neither are talking about the strikes. What a surprise

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u/Ryanlew1980 Dec 02 '22

I watched CNN for like 20 minutes yesterday and the strike/bills being voted on is what they were talking about. It was framed in a way where Biden was having to choose between Unions and the economy, which is about how I would expect them to report it.

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u/VLDR Dec 02 '22

I suppose the government siding with corporations over workers is old news by now.

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u/I_Have_The_Lumbago Dec 02 '22

Hmm, its almost like rich people like the status quo.

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u/JollyProfessor9409 Dec 02 '22

Went to both CNN and Fox after the rail votes, and not a single one had it anywhere on their main pages. Even with infinite scroll I never found an article…

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u/OptimistiCrow Dec 02 '22

That's how you know CNN isn't "Left", it's liberal.

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u/tuan_kaki Dec 02 '22

Depending on who you ask it’s also not all that liberal

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u/dirkdiggler1618 Dec 02 '22

Why wouldn’t they talk about the strikes? Wouldn’t they want to promote any anti-China rhetoric? Fox, that is

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u/PM_ME_UR_SEAHORSE Dec 02 '22

I thought they were talking about the rail workers strike in the U.S. and Congress forcing them to accept the new contracts without paid sick leave

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u/dirkdiggler1618 Dec 02 '22

Ah that makes more sense. Looking back at the charts, it looks like the China protests are included. Thanks for clarifying

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u/Grinning_Dog Dec 01 '22

Fuck how is this graphic how I find out Christine McVie died???

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u/turkeymeese Dec 02 '22

I guess we should watch more Fox News? Haha

RIP to one of the greats. Been on a Fleetwood Mac streak since I found out

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u/Legoman718 Dec 01 '22

wait Fox News didn't even cover the tornado outbreak? odd

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u/TheTakenLich Dec 01 '22

They could have covered it, but it didn't reach the front page or it got replaced by another article since the bot takes data only once a day

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u/Legoman718 Dec 01 '22

makes sense

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u/jumpers4goaIposts Dec 01 '22

I’m more concerned that they didn’t cover “oysters nutrition cancer.”

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u/_AlreadyTaken_ Dec 01 '22

Only dems eat raw oysters

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u/Remarkable_Book3604 Dec 02 '22

As a republican I can add to this as I have never had raw oysters, (and also I've never been diagnosed with cancer so)

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u/ZeroTwoSitOnMyFace Dec 02 '22

Raw oysters are the sole cause of all cancers after all

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u/thedrew55 Dec 02 '22

Hahaha- I’ve eaten more than my fair share of raw oysters when I considered myself a Republican with many other Republicans back in Louisiana.

I am VERY selective where I’ll order them though.

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u/LeviathanGank Dec 01 '22

or the oath keeper sedition.. like they are hiding something

"but apple and the left are abusing poor elon and his freedom of speech"

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u/SyriseUnseen Dec 02 '22

As always with these threads: the bot tracks the front page once a day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

The path keeper thing is incredibly alarming. But not surprising

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u/Tracedinair76 Dec 01 '22

They don't want their viewers to get scared because Fox is planning on having them overthrow MSNBC.

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u/thedrew55 Dec 02 '22

Yeah, my Apple News feed is a mess of Faux News glowing about the amazing things Elon is doing, and how abused he is by Apple.

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u/Ambitious-Event-5911 Dec 01 '22

Well since they're a news organization they aren't compelled to broadcast facts useful to the public.

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u/kerbidiah15 Dec 01 '22

This is 10000% true, but it does go to show that maybe they aren’t a great source of news

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u/Ambitious-Event-5911 Dec 01 '22

I wish more people recognized that.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

Hello! This is work done to measure bias in our information diet by comparing what different mainstream media sources are focusing on.

Headlines are scraped daily from front pages and topically assigned to do analysis. All visualizations are coded using Observable, a d3-based library to make data visualization more beautiful and open. Stories are topically assigned using state of the art NLP language models and clustering algorithms. Attention scores use a custom-formula based on how far a headline ranks on each source's front page. Think the higher it ranks at the top, the higher the attention score.

  • Top ranked banner headline has an attention score ~1
  • Half way through (10th ranked headline) has an attention score of ~0.5
  • Towards the bottom (30th ranked headline) has an attention score of <0.05

If three stories on Event A are ranked half way through on source X and one story on Event A is ranked at the top of source Y, then Source X will still have a higher attention score for source X since we add up all three attention scores (0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5) > 1.0

Code

Data

Expanded analysis across all outlets (including Reuters, BBC, NYT, WaPo, WSJ) available here

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u/word_number Dec 01 '22

Did you miss last week's news? I'm curious about the coverage of the Colorado Springs mass murder.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

Yes i didn't post on reddit but here's what the analysis on that topic generated!

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u/word_number Dec 01 '22

Thanks and also thanks for your weekly posts.

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u/YebelTheRebel Dec 01 '22

Can you do a weekly recap every week?

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 02 '22

Yes! I do check out topdown.news.com!

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u/darthjazzhands Dec 01 '22

This is very helpful, OP. Thank you.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

thanks for the kind words!

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u/jamiecarl09 Dec 01 '22

I like these. If it's not too much extra work, in the future could you have a small synopsis of these topics? Idk what some of these are even referring to.

Obviously I'll Google them. Just a suggestion.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

Yes! here's a refined way to search any of these topics. I'm working on a full-blown website that I hope to launch in a month or so.

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u/cronoklee Dec 02 '22

Awesome idea - so relevant and much needed - well done mate

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u/GregBahm OC: 4 Dec 01 '22

You argue in your post title that media divides people. But people have a choice to buy Fox news, buy CNN news, both or neither. Because of this, it seems bizarre to claim "the media" does the dividing. The data indicates people divide themselves. The alternative, of a single monolithic news media message (a la state censored media), wouldn't have a "uniting" effect. It would just mask the different interests in media consumers.

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u/Oh_my_pi_also Dec 01 '22

Perhaps a better description might be that media amplifies division. People do choose which outlet they use to align with their interests, but then the slant in which news is reported reinforces and widens the already existing division making a small crack become a gapping chasm. It's a self reinforcing loop.

There have been periods where more neutral reporting on some subjects was the norm in the US, see the popularity of reporters like Walter Cronkite, and that was not explicitly "State Media". The media chooses controversy because controversy makes money, but consumers are now confused because entertainment is being marketed as news. Which widens division.

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u/austinthoughts Dec 02 '22

Yes, media outlets are companies - designed to turn a profit. They need audience / views to sell ad space. They get constant feedback of what their audience wants, so they are easy to cater to.

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u/TheTruestWaffle Dec 02 '22

Learning and countering this is vital to the health of our societies.

Thanks op this is great, would love a newsletter of this, help those of us interested what the current narratives floating around are.

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u/colbat45 Dec 02 '22

Is no one going to mention that Fox News didn’t even cover the oathkeeper trial? A seditious conspiracy conviction is a major deal

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u/cujobob Dec 02 '22

Seriously, how often throughout history has that even happened?

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u/sunberrygeri Dec 02 '22

Was also surprised that Trump’s dinner wasn’t mentioned on any of these stats. But yeah…seditious conspiracy conviction is a real biggie to just ignore.

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u/Th3Parasit3 Dec 01 '22

This explains my FIL talking about twitter so much. No one in the family uses it, but he is all about it now. Like... shut up about it already.

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u/Johnnysims7 Dec 01 '22

Yeah Fox News is literally going batshit over Twitter and Elon. Yes the CNN side talks about Twitter, but not like "conservatives this... Magats that"

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u/--tc-- Dec 02 '22

It's all over reddit too though

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u/help1155 Dec 02 '22

weird are they legit spinning it as a success? it seems like aside from being a conservative wet dream, its also a tire fire for the business

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u/Mountain-Lecture-320 Dec 01 '22

Barf, reading the strong bias headlines gave me brain damage, and I'm used to it from using Ground news app, which always shows media distribution on every story included. I wonder how soulless a journalist must be to write such clickbaity, biased headlines.

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u/barnegatsailor Dec 01 '22

Journalists rarely write the headlines, it's usually the editor. That's why you'll frequently see a headline like "X person just said this controversial thing" and then when you read it they're being totally rational. The journalist is writing an article then the editor is trying to find a way to sensationalize the headline to get people to click on it.

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u/_AlreadyTaken_ Dec 01 '22

"Twitter is exploding over ____!"

Two users made comments

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u/647843267c Dec 01 '22

Calling the people at CNN and FoxNews "journalists" is pretty generous to begin with. More like paid propagandists.

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u/Only_Tomorrow3043 Dec 01 '22

Why you getting downvoted lmao, literally said something true about the two sides

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u/Extremelyfunnyperson Dec 02 '22

Wow they have an app?? I remember when they were doing the emails!

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u/wheresthebaseballsub Dec 01 '22

I am very interested in Ground News. Would you really consider them unbiased? I spend a lot of time trying to read headlines from both sides so I can get an idea of what's really happening & it's so overwhelming.

Is this really great, or is there another source I could go to for facts on events? Trying to stay relevant and even in current events is so stressful!

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u/ToBeReadOutLoud Dec 02 '22

Ground News shows similar info to what OP posted here - it notes “blind spots” for either right-leaning or left-leaning news orgs and compares headlines from different orgs.

It helps get a more comprehensive understanding of what news orgs are talking about by compiling it all in one place.

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u/Krabilon Dec 01 '22

Lol what? I read through most of them are they seemed literally like a normal headline. What headline are you so against?

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u/Achilles68 Dec 01 '22

I am unable to explain it properly in English, but please compare the Foxnews headlines to the ones from Reuters. Especially the words used as well as their contents.

What questions are answered by the title? What questions do they evoke?

Also try to imagine it's the first time you're reading these headlines. What would your immediate reaction be? Can you describe any emotions (if any)?

How inclined are you to click on this article? Why?

If you take your time for this, I hope you'll be able to conclude what the goal is of both news corporations, as well as their strategy to reach that goal.

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u/jatawis Dec 01 '22

Could somebody explain what the heck does 'School Policy Race Identity' mean?

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u/Cristalrella Dec 01 '22

Some info I found. State referenced is Texas:

“Backed by conservative lawmakers, the state's "critical race theory" law took effect in December and prohibits teachers from discussing "a widely debated and currently controversial issue of public policy or social affairs." There have not been many policies put in place implementing the state law, Huddleston said, but some schools are taking action to decide what books and reading materials students should have access to.

Many of those actions are book bans and generally target the history of racism, racial inclusion, gender identity and LGBTQ+ inclusion, she added.”

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u/SurefootTM Dec 02 '22

Aint that a direct violation of your famous 1st amendment ? (Not a US citizen, but from what I recall that's exactly what it's supposed to prevent)

Also, aint that "cancel culture" ?

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u/Seemseasy Dec 02 '22

Yes and yes, republicans only value money and power.

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u/eripsin Dec 02 '22

It's worrying... Censorship and destruction of books and literature that are not in your political view is always what fascist and communism dictatorships started to do. That the US slip toward authoritarian methods show a kind of decline that I'm not welcoming.

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u/MRmandato Dec 01 '22

Anything related to the GOP invented issue of CRT or gender identity in classrooms or books at schools

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u/rammo123 Dec 01 '22

No idea, but it's clearly more important that a seditious domestic terrorist cell.

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u/RodryckAl Dec 01 '22

The color association is throwing me off

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u/Artistic-Boss2665 Dec 02 '22

It's the colors of the US Democrat and Republican parties

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u/ArScrap Dec 02 '22

Isn't curing Alzheimer's a bipartisan issue

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u/TheForkisTrash Dec 02 '22

Yes. But any type of educated professional is a villain, so they are still trying to figure out how to make the two concepts mesh

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u/SolomonCRand Dec 01 '22

Wait, raw oysters give you cancer?

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u/MetaDragon11 Dec 02 '22

Everything gives you cancer. Existing causes cancer.

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u/OneEyeLess Dec 02 '22

This says more about what the people using those sites are clicking and what types of stories keep the users engaged the longest. The ad spaces and the subscription numbers drive the content.

An interesting analysis would be to track the ad types on the same stories across the platforms. Do the same stories get the same ad types? Targeted ads normally payout more, so which platforms make the most?

It's in none of the interests of the platforms to promote 'fair and balanced' news if it leads to lower revenue.

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u/BouNcYToufU Dec 01 '22

Interesting that FoxNews doesn't cover South Tarnadoes Storms and Alzheimer Drug Medical... both topics that I would think are important for their viewers?

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u/TinyTom99 Dec 01 '22

It's possible they did, but not on the front page of their websites

Also, since the data was pulled daily, and I'm sure the front page changes more often than that, this may not be 100% accurate

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u/jamiecarl09 Dec 01 '22

They like people with early onset dementia.

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u/nnerba Dec 01 '22

Then they should love biden

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u/CarFreak777 Dec 01 '22

Good thing I despise both.

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u/the_monkey_knows Dec 02 '22

I’m no fan of CNN, but fox is outright dangerous in their coverage

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u/Only_Tomorrow3043 Dec 01 '22

Good thing, I just take some peaks at both media just once in a while, they’re both trying to sell anger and hate to other side. While both are equally terrible

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u/big_nothing_burger Dec 02 '22

Lol please find me someone equally as terrible as Tucker on CNN... then find like five more to be as bad as Hannity, Piro, etc.

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u/PixelatedPanda1 Dec 01 '22

I love this visualization and data use case. Great job.

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u/RickJWagner Dec 01 '22

Oddly, CNN isn't covering 'CNN begins layoffs', but Fox did.

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u/Naifmon Dec 01 '22

Both cnn and Fox News headlines are filled with opinions. Showing bias.

Fox News headlines have insults in them , so unprofessional while being bias.

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u/Only_Tomorrow3043 Dec 01 '22

The media is our worst enemy, everyone pushing an agenda, and dividing the people into echo chamber and bubbles

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u/ndunks1 Dec 01 '22

Rich people that own the media are our worst enemies. Not the media itself

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u/dspencer97 Dec 01 '22

Democrats and Republicans aren’t that far off on a lot of topics. The media wants you to believe anyone you disagree with is a huge pos and to never speak to them again.

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u/rohankshirsagr OC: 1 Dec 01 '22

I totally agree! We are more similar than different

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u/jonasu25 Dec 01 '22

Great job. Keep up the good work.

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u/NYCmob79 Dec 01 '22

What's with the raw oysters?

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u/Slowhand09 Dec 01 '22

I'll be lost in the shuffle but I gotta chime it. I watch too much news. I watch Fox. i watch MSNBC. I watch BBC.

I see lots of stuff on Fox that your graph says they didn't or barely covered. Same with MSNBC and BBC.
I expect a portion of the difference is the medium TV vs web. But I also know the web is far from static, so a hit or miss as to if coverage is tracked by your capture app.
Perhaps google Simon Willison and find his article on page version capture to Github, this harvesting the differences. You may observe results that differ greatly from what you report now.

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u/itijara Dec 01 '22

What are the units for this? Is this using something like PMI (pointwise mutual information)? How is this scaled? Linearly, logarithmically, exponentially?

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u/Henballa Dec 02 '22

Weekly analysis dude. Preach that shit to the heavens

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u/Jefoid Dec 02 '22

This is a juicy one. Please keep doing this.

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u/HeroKing2 Dec 02 '22

The headlines should be minimalistic objective statements of what happened like "Virginia Walmart gunman killed six people" but the media is run by people who want to jack off the public instead of inform them.

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u/authorPGAusten Dec 01 '22

Feel like these always end up being wrong. But in a side note, the idaho students murders story is freaking wild. Going to be a crazy documentary

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u/Kahzgul Dec 01 '22

It should be noted that CNN has never been particularly left-leaning (certainly not to the opposite degree from extreme right leaning Fox News), and has recently been redirected by its new owners to be more right leaning.

I imagine a more interesting comparison would be a slightly more left-leaning news org, such as MSNBC. I'd also be curious to know what's on the front page of more neutral news orgs (but which are not wire services such as Reuters) such as NPR or PBS.

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u/darrendros Dec 02 '22

I love NPR

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u/Test4096 Dec 02 '22

Not true. CNN was full out left during trump’s reign. Saying otherwise is frankly being disingenuous. They are trying to correct that the last 2 years though.

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u/Alexis-FromTexas Dec 01 '22

Whoever put this data together, thank you very much!

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u/gortwogg Dec 01 '22

Wow this is kind of whack because I googled several different versions of “raw oysters” and not a single news article popped up. Actually not even any fake news articles popped up

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u/Bird767 Dec 02 '22

Of course fox won't report on their people getting charged for sedition

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u/plenebo Dec 02 '22

so two right wing networks?

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u/Sniper-Dragon Dec 02 '22

Weird how only cnn writes about Alzheimer drugs.

fox news's clients will need those meds way sooner

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u/ashkanahmadi Dec 02 '22

Thanks. In the future please use more diverse colors. Us color blind people can't distinguish between fox and Reuters very easily.

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u/old_skul Dec 02 '22

So CNN sells fear, Foxnews sells hate, and Reuters reports on what's important. Got it.

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u/nirad Dec 01 '22

Fox News cherry picks random tweets from replies to put on their hompeage. Absurd.

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u/EmergencyTaco Dec 02 '22

Fox didn't mention the seditious conspiracy convictions at all???? My god. You would think that the leader of an extremist group being convicted of one of the most serious and rare charges in the US criminal code would warrant at least a mention.

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u/PinealFever Dec 01 '22

Fox be like, it's part of history and all, but sedition against the state just doesn't shift dick pills and arthritis creams.

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u/qwertykewl01 Dec 02 '22

It’s the news outlets and the political parties (both sides) that are dividing us and making us forget that we are all citizens of this beautiful country.

Politicians’ attempts at division is the strongest during election years, and perversely the same folks who divide us often tell us that it’s now “time to heal and come together” after they win whatever race they were in.

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u/rabbiskittles Dec 01 '22

Wow, the huge disparity in reporting between the Idaho murders (4 people killed with a knife) and the Walmart shooting (6 people killed with a gun) are terrifyingly telling.

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u/tarlton Dec 02 '22

Sort of? I feel like that one's a bit misleading. Isn't the Idaho story more than a week old? I think CNN covered it when it happened, but Fox is still covering it and it's largely dropped off the radar at CNN.

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u/AnchoriteOfPalgrave Dec 02 '22

CNN and FOX rightwing peas in a corporate pod.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Fox News sounds like a cult

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u/XxMAGIIC13xX Dec 01 '22

I find this hard to believe because all I ever hear about on Reddit is Elon musk and Twitter and everyone here is to the left of Bernie.

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u/rammo123 Dec 01 '22

Bit of horseshoe-like theory going on. The far right Fox audience is celebrating Musk "bringing back free speech" while left leaning reddit is lamenting that all the nazis are being replatformed. Both are very interested in Musk news, for opposite reasons.

Centrist CNN doesn't really care either way.

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u/tarlton Dec 02 '22

I'm more into the story to eat popcorn and watch how fast you can destroy a tech company.

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u/Schub21 Dec 01 '22

Why are you comparing two right-wing media outlets?

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Interesting how many topics fox news ignores entirely. It's almost as if there's stuff they don't want people to know about...

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u/legosearch Dec 02 '22

Kind of looks more like CNN is more likely to fear monger vs fox complaining about identity politics and talking about Elon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Talking about actual sedition that happened is fear mongering? Or a public service?

Your bias is showing.

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u/Fred_Evil Dec 02 '22

Fox: Stewart who? That's a Rhodes we shan't travel!

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u/Not_as_witty_as_u Dec 02 '22

this needs to be published every week. When I go see the in-laws, I actually catch up on Fox news so I'll know what kinda batshit crazy theories theyre onto at the moment.

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u/BobRussRelick Dec 02 '22

my elderly mother is a hardcore Democrat and addicted to CNN. About a month ago she watched Fox News for a bit and told me she was pleasantly surprised at how neutral the coverage was.