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u/scarystuffdoc Dec 01 '22
The problem is, it’s a normal sized alarm clock not a small one.
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u/drunkanidaho Dec 01 '22
You don't know that. There's nothing for scale
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He had already eaten his banana during his morning recess snack.
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u/DasMotorsheep Dec 01 '22
I'd say the size of the buttons actually points to the clock being small rather than normal-sized.
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u/The_Resca_Effect Dec 01 '22
That looks about right, they didn’t say what kind of clock
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u/TexasPistolMassacre Dec 01 '22
Looking closely, i think he knew it was supposed to be analog, but couldnt do the time right so they went digital. Theres an erased analog clock
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u/HurricaneCarti Dec 01 '22
Yeah kid is smart honestly, knew they got the answer wrong so they hail mary’d it on a tehcnically correct answer to see if they could sneak by
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u/Tacodude5 Dec 01 '22
It said small. That's much too large
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u/Williehiggins Dec 01 '22
True, an educator should know how to specify what they want. This should have been marked as correct as the question didn't specify analog or digital.
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u/MrLRG Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
Once took a computer literacy course at a community college back when I was dual enrolled due to it being a prerequisite for some programming courses.
I remember a true/false question on a quiz of "You can listen to music for free on the internet." And marking it true. The teacher told me it was illegal and I couldn't when I brought it up they'd marked me off, to which I brought up a bunch of counterexamples.
Guy just said, "Well for now it's wrong."
Guy was a fucking goon though. One of the dumbest people I'd ever met. That class was a roller coaster.
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u/Bop923 Dec 01 '22
I mean, the question didn't say "you can "legally" listen to music for free on the Internet." Should've said "hey pick a song, any song, just name one." Then pulled it up on YouTube.
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u/MrLRG Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
Oh no he admitted you could do it. Just shrugged, straight up said it was just wrong for the brief moment of the quiz, and walked off.
I was gonna formally complain but suddenly he stopped showing up to class most of the way through the semester, and someone else just showed up and started teaching. That entire class was insane. Could go on for hours about the weird shit he said.
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u/LjSpike Dec 01 '22
Would love to hear some more of his highlights.
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u/MrLRG Dec 01 '22
Was part of a small facebook group with a few friends that had some of the highlights. Haven't looked at that in a decade.
He always went on about shit that was obsolete. I remember two things he claimed were obsolete were printers and laptops (aside from the Macbook Air for some reason). On a different occasion though he also called Desktops obsolete, which I struggled to wrap my brain around. Apparently only the macbook air and tablets were the future.
Guy would talk about never changing any files in the C drive (which is insane). And also instructed people not to update their computers without taking them into a place like best buy.
He once went off on a weird tangent about BBC news being the devil.
He had strong opinions on never moving folders by clicking and dragging in lieu of only using cut/paste for some reason. Similarly, he told us never to use underscores in file names, because we'd have to hold shift to type it.
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u/Bop923 Dec 01 '22
Seriously wondering how he got accepted into the position at this point
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u/beartheminus Dec 01 '22
The not dragging folders is a thing. IT at our work disabled it. It's because you can accidentally move things around and really mess up shared drives and stuff.
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u/MrLRG Dec 01 '22
Go figure. Still an odd thing to teach for people doing computer literacy on a single desktop, since the vast majority aren't going to be working with concurrency, and I honestly don't think the guy was thinking about that case looking back.
Still, that's a good thing to keep in mind. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, as it were haha.
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u/quattroman Dec 01 '22
Yeah, I get constant calls about not being able to find the folder they just used. We check surrounding folders and always find it one of them.
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u/Thi8imeforrealthough Dec 01 '22
Litening to music on youtube IS legal, but I suspect this was before that was a thing
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u/little_brown_bat Dec 01 '22
Heck, many websites had music in the background especially if it was something like a geocities page.
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u/RalTasha Dec 01 '22
And even then it would be correct to answer true! Like there actually is copyright free music to listen to :D
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u/Negative-Squirrel81 Dec 01 '22
You can still legally listen to music for free on the internet though. Even in the bad old days of the 1990s there were public domain MIDI and MOD files you could download. The music on Youtube is largely legal as well, as it's in the best interest of artists and labels to put up their work publicly in exchange for the ad revenue/publicity.
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u/TheBastardOfTaglioni Dec 01 '22
Most large radio stations have had online streams of their broadcast for 15 years or so. Free.
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u/maahc Dec 01 '22
As someone who used to teach a computer literacy course at a community college way back, you were both right on your answer and that he's a goon.
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u/VanguardXI Dec 01 '22
As someone who's on the spectrum, questions with multiple technically possible answers like this are a nightmare.
Do they want what's globally factual? Or what's factual to them? We learned it like this, but it's ACTUALLY like that.
I could usually figure out that the wanted they "curriculum approved answer" but, especially when there was a "more accurate" answer in a "real world" sense, it always just felt wrong and I'd spend the rest of the test stressing.
Even more so if it was multiple choice.
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u/satisifedcitygal Dec 01 '22
Nothing in life is free. This teacher was clearly thinking in 4D chess and wanted you to realize that free music streaming apps (like YouTube) collect your data. He wanted you to open your eyes. OPEN YOUR EYES!
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u/mthrndr Dec 01 '22
"If you want to listen to music for free on the internet, you must first invent the universe"
-Carl Sagan, maybe
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u/topasaurus Dec 01 '22
Teacher: "Use emancipate in a sentence." Answer: "I don't know what emancipate means." Teacher: "No."
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u/Ikontwait4u2leave Dec 01 '22
Or better yet print out a blank clock face and let the kid draw the hands on. No chance for ambiguity then.
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u/Equivalent_Yak8215 Dec 01 '22
Forsure. That would be better! However, I'm guessing that the teacher had a module specific to mechanical clocks during that phase?
If they didn't, they're a fucking goober for just marking 0.
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u/Weary_Fox3653 Dec 01 '22
Except you can see the erased clock with the wrong time behind the newly drawn one. Most likely a parent thought it would make a good internet joke.
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u/SgtMajVines Dec 01 '22
teachers only care about it being done their way.
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u/Grantmitch1 Dec 01 '22
No. I've had students in the past come up with solutions/papers that I did not expect and marked them accordingly. Sometimes even though I thoroughly disliked what I was reading, insofar as it contrasted strongly with my opinion on the subject, I have given it a solid mark because it was well researched, well presented, and well argued.
It really depends on the context of the assessment.
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u/ObamasBoss Dec 01 '22
Had a big issue with TA that would grade our engineering homework and only mark it correct if it followed the solution guy they were given. The trouble is there is often multiple valid routes you can take to get the correct solution. Pick the wrong one and they would mark it all wrong. The route was not specified.
Had another professor in an elective class that got all the homeworks from business college on the main campus. Was at a branch campus. He never looked at the assignments and would grade based on the solutions provided. Repeatedly had to explain to him why the solutions were actually incorrect. Just before the final large project is due the professor is called out of the class. Some kid with massive balls goes to the professors laptop, takes his flashdrive, copies the solution, and gives it to everyone. The professor somehow does not notice that 18/20 people turn in identical projects. Idiot probably thought they finally wrote good instructions. It was myself and my buddy that got a low grade on it because ours did not match. It did not match because the solution was way over the top and provided things that were not asked for. No one would realistically provide that everyone turned in if they had bothered to even read what the project asked you to do. I did the project as directed because I figured it would be painfully obvious that everyone cheated. Nope, professor was oblivious. Lost my A for it....
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u/ExtravagantPanda94 Dec 01 '22
Eh that's maybe true to an extent. But I would imagine that if a question like this is put in a test, then the students most likely covered how to read analog clocks in lessons prior to the test and should know what kind of answer the question is looking for. That said, these are probably young students so the confusion is understandable. I'd at least give them partial credit or let them redo these questions after clarifying the question.
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u/Ithoughtthiswasfunny Dec 01 '22
If they're anything like me at that age, they're probably just being a wise ass
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u/Pattywhack_the_bear Dec 01 '22
Not to mention there are people who interpret everything very literally. My entire household is neurodivergent (two ASD, two ADHD, and one too young to know but likely ADHD because he's a carbon copy of me so far, just like my older son) and we're all very literal. I got in trouble in second grade for refusing to color the highway brown in an assignment because asphalt is black or grey, depending on how old it is. That was the rationale I gave my mom when she asked me why I refused. I still don't understand why the teacher felt it was worth involving my parents. My daughter (ASD) began taking off her Pacman shirt that a person at a town fun festival told her he wanted in an attempt to compliment the shirt. She was going to take it off and give it to him. Lol.
It is incumbent upon the teacher to specify what they want. It is not incumbent upon the student to correctly interpret the teacher's ambiguous question and/or instructions.
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u/SgtMajVines Dec 01 '22
I understand this post was meant to be funny, but in my experience it was always true. Many teachers when I was in school were very unwilling to deviate from the way they wanted things done. More than happy to write off a kid as being difficult and/or lazy bc it’s easier. Almost like they take it as a personal attack on their skills as a teacher to try and help a kid who probably just doesnt get it they way the teacher is wanting it done. Things have probably changed since I’ve been in school and based on what I see from my kids and hear the things they tell me it’s obvious that things are different now.
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u/Antarkian Dec 01 '22
Typical of the education system. They don't care about the right answer, they only want you to give THEIR answer.
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u/Storm_of_the_Psi Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 04 '22
That's because they're not checking whether or not you can find the correct answer but rather if you understand the underlying method.
That said, I'd mark the answer in OP as correct and change the question going forward.
Source: teacher for almost 3 decades
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u/lazymutant256 Dec 01 '22
If that was my answer.. I would of talked to the teacher about that stating the question never specified what kind d of clock
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u/beefchariot Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22 •
Yea if I was the kindergartner I probably would have gone straight to the next board of education meeting to speak with the board about it. Maybe even write my local state representative over the matter.
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u/RichTE Dec 01 '22
Why stop there? How about the President or head of the UN.
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u/GoSuckYaMother Dec 01 '22
Why stop there? what about God or Santa or Elon Musk?
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u/the_revised_pratchet Dec 01 '22
No, no mythical constructs!
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u/ps3x42 Dec 01 '22
Yeah, Elon isn't real, he can't help you.
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u/fivespeedmazda Dec 01 '22
He's too busy doing god's work, bringing down social media one service at a time.
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Whilst you're there get the teacher to explain the difference between would have and would of ;)
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u/CFSett Dec 01 '22
The bot that addresses would/could/should 'of' should be mandatory on every subreddit and any social platform.
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u/Sluggo_Jones Dec 01 '22
You would *have talked to the teacher
I bet you got whatever grades you deserved
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u/Hardlyhorsey Dec 01 '22
I’m willing to bet they were drawing clocks in class all day and teach spoke about this when they handed out the assignment.
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u/skylla05 Dec 01 '22
Except there is almost always known context with these sorts of questions. Reddit always thinking they're clever though.
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u/TheGreatArseholio Dec 01 '22
I would have told my child to talk to the teacher about it if they legitimately felt wronged. I don’t talk to teachers about assignments unless they are big ones (book reports, projects) or we have questions about it, primarily because they’re overworked already and I’m not trying to be a lawnmower parent - my daughter’s mother is like that already.
I feel like I would have caught that in going over their homework, but it used to be that the “is your homework done?” question was followed up with “do you think you’ll do well on it?”, and if that answer was anything but yes, we’d go over it. So if they said “yes”, this would have slipped.
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u/Bambo81 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
I hate teachers like that, as If everyone on this Planet has the ability to mind read. If you mean analog clock, write analog clock and not just a small clock.
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u/MathematicianBig4392 Dec 01 '22
The student knew it was analog. They were likely studying how to read an analog clock all week. Likely the other questions involved reading an analog clock. 95% chance the kid knew what he was doing. I'm a teacher. Whenever I have a question that wasn't specific enough (even though I know the kid knew), I just find them in class and tell them I'm looking for analog and ask them to do it on the spot. If they can't, I give them partial credit for the question.
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u/brainfreezereally Dec 01 '22
You and others just misunderstood what a test was about and no one ever explained it to you: it isn't to give truths, it is about showing mastery of course material. The child had probably just gone through a unit on reading an analog clock and needed to show knowledge of that material. As I always told my students, "Remember that there are many answers to these questions that are true, but they are not correct for the purpose of this exam."
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u/AdditionalPizza Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
It's actually a repost, but the original poster clearly just erased their child's wrong answer so they could post it online and try and make teachers seem unfair.
Enhanced photo of the erased hands pointing to the wrong locations showing about 1:50.
But you're right, and people just want to show they outsmart others with their super logical thinking, when even if the child put a digital clock, it's wrong in the context of the unit/test they're working on. It's not thinking outside the box, it's just a lack of awareness.
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u/mrbananas Dec 01 '22
You mean my broad reaching conclusions about teachers based upon an internet photo might be incorrect, I am shocked./s
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u/Soloandthewookiee Dec 01 '22
The elementary schooler who has been learning about how to read the hands of a clock for weeks couldn't use context clues to figure out that that's the type of clock they were supposed to draw, but you think they'll know what the word analog means?
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u/The_Resca_Effect Dec 01 '22
Sure a kid can’t tell the difference, nowadays they may have never seen an analog clock
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u/SingleRelationship25 Dec 01 '22
I only know about my local area but every school here has an analog clock in every room. The buildings are only a couple of years old too.
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u/slbain9000 Dec 01 '22
If you want an analog clock, say so. Fault lies in the question.
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u/JibbetyJibbety Dec 01 '22
It asked for a “small” clock
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u/yParticle Dec 01 '22
Yeah, come on! You used almost the entire box for your little art project there, kid.
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u/chojinra Dec 01 '22 •
Ohhh, small “CLOCK!” No wonder the teachers looked at me funny…
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u/RazorCalahan Dec 01 '22
nice clock bro.
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u/lamp447 Dec 01 '22
Nice cock, bro.
Ooh, sorry, the ower case L is broken on my phone's virtua keyboard.
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u/Kerivkennedy
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Geez it took me way too long to figure out how this could possibly be counted wrong.
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haha you are not alone
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u/stardust_clump Dec 01 '22
I mean I would have done the exact same thing the kid did and fight for the grade.
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u/Eclectic-Eccentric88 Dec 01 '22
I'm still confused, what's wrong with me!? 😭
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u/AcceptablyPsycho Dec 01 '22
It's okay. The question meant an analogue clock face, probably just learned how to read hands of the clock.
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u/Eclectic-Eccentric88 Dec 01 '22
Thank you :) I think I some people just need extra specification, I appreciate people being kind about it.
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u/starbitcandies Dec 01 '22
It's ambiguous to us because we're literally only seeing this question and nothing else. It shouldn't be ambiguous to the child who I'm assuming has been learning about clock hands on analog clocks in class and therefore should probably understand that their homework is about the thing they're learning about. I find it hard to believe there was no in class learning about analog clocks leading up to this worksheet.
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u/1958-Fury Dec 01 '22
I was exactly the kind of child who would have gotten this wrong. I was a smart student, but context always eluded me.
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u/saucity Dec 01 '22
I had to come to the comments like… I know I’m terrible at math, but I don’t get it! Should I see a doctor…? 😂
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u/skarecrow13 Dec 01 '22
A clock is a clock
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u/Refects Dec 01 '22
A toll is a toll. And a roll is a roll. And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.
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u/dino-dic-hella-thicc Dec 01 '22
You gotta pay the troll toll to get into that boys hole
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u/kiwilapple Dec 01 '22
A glock is a glock
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u/NegotiationMassive99 Dec 01 '22
A rock is a rock
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A cock is a cock
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u/TheLurkerSpeaks Dec 01 '22
I remember a question like this when I was in primary school, for 12:20. I drew the clock: big hand on the 4, and put the hour hand a third past the 12, exactly like it is on the clock. I was marked off because "little hand not on 12." I was furious but didn't say anything out of fear and shame. I still fucking remember this bullshit though 40 years later Mrs. Stockholm, I bet you're dead now.
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u/BubblegumRuntz Dec 01 '22
I remember having TONS of memories like this. I was smart enough to notice little details but I would get in trouble for them.
We had an assignment in 4th grade where we were learning about probability using clothes. The teacher gave us a sheet of printer paper that had a row of shirts, pants, and socks on it. We were to color them in and cut the shapes out to use for later. Everyone was taking their time coloring inside the lines. I recognized that coloring inside the lines wouldn't matter since we were cutting the shapes out anyways, so I scribbled in the whole row of colors and started cutting them out already while everyone else was still coloring.
The teacher saw my paper covered in rows of red, blue and black and took my paper away. She gave me a new sheet and told me to color inside the lines. By this time everyone else was finishing coloring and started cutting, but I had to start from the beginning and color in every single shirt, pair of pants and socks individually. I wasn't even close to done before the teacher moved on with the assignment and had kids doing little probability activities while I was still trying to cut out the shapes. I never finished the assignment and got an F.
Fuck you Mrs. Peterson, you were the meanest teacher I had.
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u/TSiridean Dec 01 '22
I'm with you there. The wording was bad, the student did exactly as told.
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u/SpeakingNight Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
I once read through my friend's daughter's math homework, and quite a few questions had me say "well they're obviously looking for this, but they don't mention this". Overthinking missing info was bad lol.
In situations like this I would hope the teacher just asks the student to re-do it analogue and give them the point.
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u/RegretsZ Dec 01 '22
Tbf I'd imagine they've been doing lessons on analog clocks recently, it honestly should've been obvious considering they've probably dedicated multiple lessons to analog clocks and likely zero to digital ones.
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u/Musaks Dec 01 '22
I am surprised that as a teacher you don't even consider the possibility of there being a discussion point in class to specifically NOT be the joker to draw a digital clock on the tests clock question
the question should be more clear...but the circumstances under which this got marked wrong are unknown
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u/Makenshine Dec 01 '22
Or the instructions are at the beginning of the assignment and are cropped out of the photo.
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u/richpaul6806 Dec 01 '22
Do you mean "fifteen men on a dead man's chest"? And what was the connection in your head between than and row row row your boat?
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u/smackmacks Dec 01 '22
This reminds me of when I was at school. An English Literature test asked "What do you think the author meant when he said..." and my answer was marked as wrong. How could any answer be marked as wrong?
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u/AnAwkwardStag Dec 01 '22
Had something similar in an Advanced English class. Class read a short story and we were asked to analyse the meaning. I came up with the same answer as everyone else, but I also came up with an alternative analysis since I figured everyone would use that answer. When I started explaining my other answer, I was interrupted and completely shut down. "No, that's not the answer and I don't know how you ended up with that result".
Oh, sorry, did you personally know this author from eighteen-dickety-six? Have some creativity, this is a short story not a math equation.
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u/ShinyBarge Dec 01 '22
Kid gets a 10/10 for accuracy. Teacher fails for being vague.
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u/piponwa Dec 01 '22
Now you know exactly how programmers feel. Except we can't just tell the computer it's doing it won't, it's on us to change the code. The only thing is that the kid was probably studying clock faces and either they didn't learn anything or they're really bad at understanding context.
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u/PotterAndPitties Dec 01 '22
I mean, its not wrong....
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u/SuperSmashBeers Dec 01 '22
Yeah that's what I was thinking?
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u/IntentionalTexan Dec 01 '22
It's probably a part of a lesson where the kid is supposed to learn how to read an analogue clock. The kind with hands.
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u/Braveheart4321 Dec 01 '22
This is correct per the instructions, if the teacher wanted a different answer they needed to ask a different question.
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u/SpumpkinPice Dec 01 '22
“Using the big hand and little hand, draw a clock that displays ten minutes past eleven.”
Draws a big human hand and a little human hand around a digital clock showing 11:10
“Listen here, you little sh-“
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u/MithranArkanere Dec 01 '22
There's a word for that kind of clock: analog.
If a teacher doesn't know that word, they need to go back to retraining.
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u/Fernanix Dec 01 '22
Well, we don't know the other questions. Maybe prior to this they set the standard to be used as analogue clocks.
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u/Kevin_IRL Dec 01 '22
Tbf to the teacher, the context of the worksheet was probably all about reading analog clocks
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The test is not separated from what you learned in class. It's a "photo" of a instant in the learning process to see where the students are. So, If in class you learn the time with round clocks, practise for several classes or weeks with round clocks then in the test you are going to get to tell the time with a round clock. A digital one would not even be in question. And you can apply this to any subject.
As a teacher I would have given them the circle, so they can fill it in.
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u/6r1n3i19 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
ITT: people saying the question should’ve been more clear
Reality: Teacher has spent at least 2 or more days teaching a lesson on ‘elapsed time’, 💯 likely using an analog clock.
*Source: my wife teaches this exact lesson in 5th grade
Edit: I shared this with her and she did concede that the question *could’ve provided a blank clock for the student to fill in, but she did confirm that the teacher would’ve certainly already taught this lesson using an analog clock
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u/szpaceSZ Dec 01 '22
Reading analogue clock is 5th grade ?!
( 5th grade would be something between 10 and 12 years old, depending on the schooling age of children)
That seems quite late to me.
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u/Wizzdom Dec 01 '22
If you look closely, the kid drew an analog clock first but erased it. So they obviously knew what it was supposed to be.
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u/6r1n3i19 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
You would be very surprised at what the kids that age know and do not know yet. The stories my wife shares with me of some of the concepts that she’s having to introduce to the kids that she feels like they’ve should’ve already known before getting to 5th grade
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u/jjmawaken Dec 01 '22
That's weird because when I was in school we played in kindergarten but my son learned math and reading and came home with homework
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u/jimmyhoffasbrother Dec 01 '22
Yeah, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading through this thread. Did these people forget what school was like or something?
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u/ImNoBruceLee Dec 01 '22
I remember getting questions in spelling saying to use specific words in a sentence. So I wrote sentences like "What is the definition of specific word?" and "My teacher has asked me to use specific word in a sentence." I failed that assignment.
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u/LassieIris Dec 01 '22
She should’ve specified what kind of clock, I would’ve marked that correctly 🤣
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u/foreallz Dec 02 '22
Couldn’t figure out for a solid two minutes why it was marked wrong. 100% would’ve gave it to them
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u/UberSenpai33 Dec 02 '22
That should count as correct. Teachers a dumbass for not specifying what type of clock to draw. “Draw a small clock with clock hands that shows 10 minutes past 11” fkkin dumbass
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u/Expert_Struggle_7135 Dec 02 '22
Honestly who ever wrote the text for that assignment failed.
If they didn't want to it be a digital clock they should have specified that. With the info that was given I don't see how that answer/drawing could be a wrong answer.
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u/forest_fae98 Dec 01 '22
To be fair they did it right. They never specified what KIND of clock
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u/stuffu Dec 01 '22
Good way to mess up a learning experience. Ask for something and then punish them when they do it.
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u/Island_Monkey86 Dec 01 '22
Smart ass answer, I know. But at no point did it make it clear, what clock had to be drawn. So the fault here, is with the teacher for not making that clear.
Good communication is based on the sender / receiver principle. It's doesn't just come down to what you say, it comes down to what the other person understands. Never assume it's obvious just because you believe you said it right.
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u/SubjectElderberry376 Dec 01 '22
Followed instructions exactly. It didn’t say draw a dial/analog clock. They’ll grow up to be an engineer I bet.
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