r/interestingasfuck • u/Greenthund3r • Mar 23 '23
An Anti-tank hedgehog in Kyiv with a plaque that shows that it’s a WW2 antique brought out from a museum
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u/dgdio Mar 23 '23
It's appropriate because the Ruzzian tanks are from WWII.
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u/BefreiedieTittenzwei Mar 23 '23
They’re apparently beginning to bring T-54 and T-55 out storage. At this rate they’ll be sending T-34s supported by babushkas with Ladas and brooms.
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u/botjstn Mar 23 '23
honestly, i don’t support russia in any way but, i feel those babushkas would lay down some law
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u/No_Inspection1677 Mar 24 '23
More likely they would march into the Kremlin and give Putin one hell of a spanking.
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u/ailweni Mar 24 '23
He’d probably like the spanking.
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u/XF270HU Mar 24 '23
I'd put money on him being a kinky bastard, has all the power in daily life and he'd like to be submissive in the bedroom.
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u/AuntieDawnsKitchen Mar 24 '23
That’s how you can tell the Baba Yaga set don’t support the war in Ukraine
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u/DJDevon3 Mar 24 '23
I liked the quote "After the T-54's they brought the T-34's. After the T-34's they'll bring horses".
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u/Dismal-Age8086 Mar 23 '23
Any possibility that these are transported for training purposes? I still refuse to believe Russian military industry is that undersupplied
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u/jnemesh Mar 24 '23
Your belief has no effect on the types of weapons deployed on the battlefield. Whether you accept it or not, Russia is scraping the proverbial "bottom of the barrel" when it comes to arms and ammunition!
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u/InnocentTailor Mar 24 '23
I mean…such is war. If it has a gun, use it.
The YouTube historian Mark Felton put out a great video about nations scrounging through old, retired material for a conflict. What surprised me was that the West had to do so for recent conflicts.
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u/jnemesh Mar 24 '23
Masterclass in war and tactics, right there. Problem is, if you bring WWII era tanks to a modern conflict, it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight...
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u/SquintonPlaysRoblox Mar 25 '23
Arguable. If the enemy doesn’t have dedicated anti-tank weapons, it’s still dangerous. The issue is that Ukraine does have modern anti-tank weapons, and has shown they are proficient in their use.
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u/InnocentTailor Mar 24 '23
It might depend on how it is modified and used though. Second World War tanks have been used in relatively modern conflicts.
See Israel's Super Sherman as an example of that - a classic world war design that was souped up to combat Cold War Soviet vehicles.
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u/atemptsnipe Mar 24 '23
Are we sure they arent just sending in old mothball stuff to get rid of it, like how out navy crashed close to a billion dollars in drones into a hill, just to say the needed new ones.
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u/JonLongsonLongJonson Mar 24 '23
Yes. We’re sure. It’s over a YEAR into the war. Russia and Putin have been embarrassed and humiliated for an entire year. Militaries don’t save the best for last, especially not when they’re trying to commit literal genocide.
Putin wants “Ukraine” to not exist anymore. They are not using these outdated and laughable weapons for fun.
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u/BefreiedieTittenzwei Mar 24 '23
Russia has always given a master class in graft and corruption. Money intended for maintenance and upgrades and new weapons oftentimes is “reallocated” to the pockets of higher ranking officers and officials. Not to be outdone, the conscripts often sell off fuel ect for booze. Nothing will ever change that behaviour.
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u/InnocentTailor Mar 24 '23
Well, the war ain’t over yet. The narrative is still being written and we are the viewers of this grand, but bloody tale.
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u/Professional-Put-804 Mar 24 '23
Wait, we're propagandised ?!?! 😯
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u/MobOnAHighHorse Mar 24 '23
Theres no one who isnt in times of war and political conflict.
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u/Wibbles20 Mar 24 '23
I read something the other day that it's more because they can't make the tanks fast enough to resupply the losses they're taking so they're just bringing stuff out of storage, slapping some rudimentary upgrades and then sending them to the front.
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u/MrunkDaster Mar 24 '23
Modern optics and fire controls on the same model (T-72) that's been in storage for 20 years is not rudimentary. And they are churning out 300 of those per month.
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u/SU37Yellow Mar 24 '23
Ryan McBeth has a theory that Russia is going to use them as artillery to replace there worn out howitzers. This is the most likely use for them IMO That being said I won't be surprised when we see pictures of burnt out T-55s outside of Bakmuht
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u/Im_ur_Uncle_ Mar 23 '23
Same. I doubt such a world power was lacking on any sort of military advancements since 1940.
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u/SU37Yellow Mar 24 '23
T-34's will never get deployed to the front line in Ukraine. The Russian's only have a handful of operational ones that they received from Laos in exchange for T-72s They won't waste something that culturally significant to them to be used as cannon fodder.
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u/Top-Fix-8616 Mar 24 '23
I saw that today, the video where they are being moved on the train, and it was like a really weird joke. Can't a couple of people with modern guns take those out?
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u/Salami__Tsunami Mar 24 '23
Hey, a tank is still a tank. Construction techniques and armor plating has advanced, but not that much. A couple of inches of armor plating is still a significant barrier.
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u/apfejes Mar 24 '23
It’s a barrier to small arms fire, sure, but anti tank weapons and the tanks themselves have evolved together for the last hundred years. A tank designed 60 years ago had enough armour to stop the technology of the time - but it won’t come close to stopping an anti tank weapon designed for modern tanks.
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u/Salami__Tsunami Mar 24 '23
Exactly. Just like when those tanks were made, you’ll still need a specialized weapon to destroy it.
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u/GymAndGarden Mar 24 '23
You mean NLAWs, Javelins, etc? Shit that Ukrainians are walking around with, wearing them like fucking backpacks? Those specialized weapons? The ones they have thousands of, laying around in every dugout?
Russians are already losing their modern tanks to these same guys- wait till these ancient fucking pieces of shit show up on the same battlefields
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u/Salami__Tsunami Mar 24 '23
Anti tank weapons kill tanks. Nobody’s arguing that.
My point, that everyone seems to be missing, is that you’re probably not going to take out an armored vehicle without a specialized weapon, whether that vehicle was made in 1940 or 2010.
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u/OmnariNZ Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
And the point you're missing that everyone else is saying, is that these weapons are so incredibly prevalent that they can no longer be called specialized, in the same way that a standard issue rifle is not a specialized soldier-killer just because it's geared to defeat body armour.
Between the first fielding of these relic tanks and now, the paradigm of tank defense has changed from "be a metal box that protects from small arms" to "be a sophisticated weave of things that defeat heavy arms" because in that intervening time, weapons advanced to a point where the former tactic was actively detrimental.
It doesn't matter if a rocket launcher fits the dictionary definition of a specialized weapon. If enough exist that any given gathering of armed people could potentially field one that counters you, then your tank is just a poorly-ventilated field gun. We're not talking heavy AT here, we're talking cheap, disposable launchers issued out by the dozen.
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u/Final-Bench1859 Mar 24 '23
We invented an entire category of sniper rifles to effectively take out tanks.... also rifles have changed but bullets not so much
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u/MobOnAHighHorse Mar 24 '23
Well there are actually some crazy ass sophisticated anti take rounds.
The Brits had one that funneled an explosion to an extremely precise point, which didnt peirce the armor, but caused the inside of it to send spall (fleks of armor steel) all over the cabin, potentially maiming, killing, and even setting off ammo storages.
Its stuff like that. Modern tanks have spal liners to catch that stuff. There are many other cat and mouse things that these tank will be missing
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u/CutlassRed Mar 24 '23
Those sniper rifles won't work on any tank since mid ww2.
20mm (or 50cal which is smaller) can't penetrate any relavant tank today, and they were only effective during the early days of tank warfare.
Armour thickness made them ineffective very early WW2. They might do something against an ifv / apc side on, but even then they're probably not high enough calibre.
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u/Blankmindplasty Mar 24 '23
When Russia is defeated, we are all radioactive.
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u/Daetherion Mar 24 '23
Not me! I'm somewhere even he won't think to blow up.
The western suburbs of a city.
And even if shit goes sideways, it'll only be another fucked up Tuesday
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u/Blankmindplasty Mar 24 '23
I’m not the one downplaying the Russian threat like you, moron.
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Mar 24 '23
The downvotes mean people really don't like hearing the uncomfortable truth on here lol, an echochamber filled with greasy, immature, adolescent boys. Spreading morale boosting propaganda is all fun and games but sometimes someone's gotta look at the big picture. Well done.
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u/kucherenkoZZZ Mar 24 '23
This is a fantasy, not a “truth”. The truth is that putin is not suicidal in any way, he owns some of the biggest yachts, a lot of mansions (including one that costs over a billion dollars) he has a couple families, grandchildrens, etc. And most importantly is how he seats 30 feet away from his own people and west leaders fearing that they could try to assasinate him. This is not a kind of person who is willing to let it all burn in exchange of using nuclear weapon only to try to win knowing that in this scenario he’ll die
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Mar 24 '23
No, he will not use nukes to win in Ukraine. He will use nukes if Russia is ever attacked directly on his own soil and he knows he'll be dead anyway. Think Hitler if he had nuclear weapons, thousands of them.
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u/Sassoooo Mar 24 '23
Yes but Russia won't be attacked? Like what are you even saying?
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Mar 24 '23
How do you know that? I'm hoping it won't be, but history teaches us to expect the unexpected. 90 years ago, if you had told people in any country in Europe that a political party would start rounding up all jews, gypsies and disabled into camps for mass slaughter, you'd be laughed at. So, I am hopeful the situation won't escalate, but I also realise it is entirely possible. This is the biggest European conflict since the invention of nukes and since WW2. One bad decision by a politician can send us downhill fast.
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u/Sassoooo Mar 24 '23
Ok so your argument Is: "the world Is Crazy". Mhh ok makes sense dude, "One bad decision by a politician", dictators want to hold their Power and getting nuked Is not the way to do so, politicians in democratic countries don't hold all the Power so it's impossible that such a Plan would get approval from all government entities.
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Mar 24 '23
That's good, you better pray it keeps up if you wanna keep sipping on your soy latte macchiato. Pro tip, throughout history, borders have changed quite a lot. Politics and politicians changed. The current world map has only really been more or less static for about 80 years, give or take a few major events, that's not really such a long time.
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u/HobbyistAccount Mar 24 '23
The downvotes mean we don't think it's very likely. Nothing more.
Stop with the doomsdayisms, we have enough to worry about without made up shit too.
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Mar 24 '23
Denial is the most predictable of human responses, so I don't blame you. That being said, do you seriously think a nation would never use its nuclear arsenal if their hand was forced? Do you realise how many times we nearly came to a complete nuclear exchange during the cold war? I understand wanting to remain ignorant, to bury your head in the sand because it feels good, but you should be a realist and learn from history. I know you're a clever guy, you know there are no lies here, nothing is made up. Nukes exist? Yes. Did we come close to using them before? Yes. Have we used them on live human targets? Yes. Can this happen again? Yes.
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u/Blankmindplasty Mar 24 '23
Yes indeed, a bunch of stupid fool NPC’s.
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u/HobbyistAccount Mar 24 '23
I always find it hilarious when people use that.
A canned response. A response used to avoid having to explain or think.
But used to say "these people aren't thinking" simply because you disagree with them
Irony is well and truly dead, isn't it?
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Mar 24 '23
Well, there's a lot of downvotes around this time of day especially as the Merrifats are waking up from their evening donut and burger king binge.
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u/tias23111 Mar 24 '23
It’s probably mainly Americans, and they all think that war will never touch them directly on their own soil.
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u/LurkersUnitedLLC Mar 23 '23
Are there any examples of how this is effective? Just asking for my own education
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u/-Daetrax- Mar 23 '23
My understanding is they're better in soft terrain where one end digs in when hit and gets jammed
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u/an0nim0us101 Mar 23 '23
Everything is soft, including the road, when a tank is pushing up against it.
The shape makes it so the tank pushes one end into the ground making it fast and then kind of impales itself depending on speed
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u/-Daetrax- Mar 23 '23
Agreed, it does however require the hedgehog catches on something on pavement, no? Otherwise it might skid along.
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u/an0nim0us101 Mar 23 '23
It catches in the threads, and they go down and so must the hedgehog
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u/-Daetrax- Mar 23 '23
Makes sense if you hit the treads. In my mind's eye I was seeing it hit the front plate/glacis.
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Mar 24 '23
I’ve seen asphalt warp and sink under the weight of some oversized loads, which are not quite as heavy as a tank
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u/CommissarAJ Mar 24 '23
A tank without rubber track pads will tear up asphalt pretty easily on its own.
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Mar 24 '23
Yep. Now if it’s a hot summer day, that asphalt may as well be mud with how soft it’ll get under the pressure
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u/redsensei777 Mar 23 '23
It also works for slowing down the tank and giving anti tank weapons more time to aim.
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u/EvilDan69 Mar 24 '23
Exactly. A lot of people get the scale of tanks wrong when they have not encountered one in person. Some are much bigger than other, but even then.
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u/choptheair Mar 23 '23
They will just drag it to the side.
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u/Tibbaryllis2 Mar 24 '23
That’s part of the plan.
Either the tank has to push past them, which may cause them to get lodged in the ground or cause damage to the tank; someone has to move them; or you need a different route.
Either of the first two creates an opportunity ambush the enemy there. The latter let’s you set up an ambush somewhere else.
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u/Lavender_Llama_life Mar 24 '23
Getting out of the tank to move it means they are vulnerable to gunfire.
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u/Im_ur_Uncle_ Mar 23 '23
For real.
"Oh no! We're totally blocked off! Nothing we can do now."
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u/Phvpark Mar 24 '23
Its used to slow down (not stop) tank attacks, because of its size and material compossition is very time consuming trying to desmantle and because of that its used more than anti-tank mines on urban areas since mines can easily be destroyed or deactivated.
Not only can entangle on the tank and damage some components, for a tank to continue on the route it need to dismount its crew to remove it or the platoon need to stop and wait for engineers to remove turning them on sitting ducks for a ambush.
Another use for it is to funnel enemies to a route of defense, becase of the vulnerability i mentioned above about platoons halted on blocked roads most of the time tank commanders will try to maneuver around leading them to funnel pre-planned defense possitions.
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u/Sotyka94 Mar 24 '23
It's strong enough that it doesn't break under the tank, it's big enough that the tank is gonna stuck on it and maybe even damages itself if he tries to go over it. Which no one really tries, it's basically just something that prevents tanks from entering, because no sane tank driver gonna try to run it over.
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u/MurkLurker Mar 24 '23
Bing's new GTP 4 search said this:
An anti-tank hedgehog is a type of obstacle used to stop tanks from getting through a line of defense. It is made up of angled metal bars that are not generally anchored to prevent movement, as it can be effective even if rolled by a large explosion. When a tank drives over a hedgehog, the obstacle rolls under the tracks and lodges in the vehicle, lifting the tank in the air. If a tank does get stuck on such a trap, it’s a sitting target until it can be towed away123.
The hedgehog is said to be very effective in keeping light to medium tanks and vehicles from entering a line of defense and further maintains its function even when tipped off by any nearby explosion4.
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u/OldKingCanary Mar 24 '23
Either it slows it down some or better yet they stop to move it and you bomb them while stopped
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u/R4gnaroc Mar 24 '23
A tank will impale itself on it, they can't drive through it. It weighs a lot, so you require a lot of people/some level of equipment to move it. That means you need to secure the area, or risk getting your people sniped off trying to drag it out of the way. This then drastically slows down movement, or forces the enemy force to reroute around it.
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u/dr3adlock Mar 23 '23
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
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u/HotPunjabiSex Mar 23 '23
But yet when Russia uses old equipment since they are still useful, they get bashed for it. Why the hypocrisy lmao??
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u/badguy28 Mar 24 '23
Because Ukraine doesn’t brag about their technological and military superiority on the world stage. Of course they’re using anything they can get their hands on. They’re being invaded by a much larger force.
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u/HotPunjabiSex Mar 24 '23
Search up 2014 Ukrainian aggression on Donbas
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u/GreatLookingGuy Mar 24 '23
Poor little Donbas. All it did was declare itself independent and invite Russian occupation. Then big mean Ukraine attacked because they hate Russian speakers. I presume this is how you understand events, yes?
Maybe ukraine didn’t feel like losing a chunk of itself to Russia.
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u/JonLongsonLongJonson Mar 24 '23
A lump of pointy metal will always be a lump of pointy metal, and will do what a lump of pointy metal does. There isn’t a real improvement on a lump of pointy metal for simply stopping a vehicle going forward where you don’t want it. There is however, vast and important improvements on weapons of war, constantly.
Every year they get more deadly, faster, lighter, easier to learn on, easier to handle, and more reliable. Using 10yr old equipment in a full scale invasion in 2022/3 is embarrassing. Using several decades worth of outdated equipment is downright shameful, they should be ashamed at what their military has become since the last time they actually showed the full might of Russia.
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u/SquanchMcSquanchFace Mar 24 '23
Because the effectiveness for one has changed while it hasn’t for the other? Because this isn’t technology that gets outdated, and the Russian shit is? Because Russia bragged about having a modern and superior army? Because all of the obvious reasons you can think of when you’re not an idiot? That’s why.
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u/RedwoodSun Mar 24 '23
Because this works perfectly fine stopping old and new tanks. On the other hand old Russian T-55 tanks have weak armor that can be easily pierced by most modern high powered weapons. BMPs and Bradleys can easily take out an old T-55.
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u/TheNinjaSausage Mar 24 '23
Because this hedgehog is probably same as the ones being made today, it stops a tank and that's it, however with tanks everything has advanced, this is the same as using a WW2 era knife, it does the job, unlike outdated armour against modern AP tech
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Mar 24 '23
I ALWAYS point out this type of hypocricy. The west is usually steeped in it, and watching them freak out and do mental gymnastics to justify it is hilarious.
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u/Generaldisbelief Mar 24 '23
Be careful with the copium, it's pretty easy to overdose bro.
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Mar 24 '23
Ahh there's the copium comment, the average 2022 bruh slang, let me finish the list for you to spare you the rest...
-Cope
-Seethe
-Copium
-Sunflower fertilizer
-slavaukraini
-putin is hitler
There, now you can carry on with your hentai waifu bodypillow.
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u/AoiUsui Mar 24 '23
After the war, it will have 2 plaques.
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u/tias23111 Mar 24 '23
Hate to break it to you, but there’s a decent chance that thing will sit there until the sun supernovas.
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u/android2031 Mar 23 '23
No closeup of the plate? :(
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u/ahmadove Mar 23 '23
Enhance
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u/cuscaden Mar 23 '23
*click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
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u/HeyHeyBitConneeeect Mar 23 '23
Squint
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u/Trollercoaster101 Mar 23 '23
Wish it stayed in a museum indefinitely.
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u/Adjacent_door Mar 23 '23
the museum wasn't gonna be there if they didnt use it
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u/Trollercoaster101 Mar 23 '23
What i meant is that i wish there was no reason to use these anti-tank hedgehog again mate.
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u/Adam-West Mar 24 '23
Im assuming this is them roasting Russia for bringing WW2 era tanks to the battlefield. They don’t need to bring hedgehogs out of the museum. They’ve got plenty and they’re quick and easy to make more.
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u/Lepke2011 Mar 24 '23
Don't get me wrong. War is horrible. The loss of lives is unforgivable. But the ingenuity that comes out of it, is really amazing.
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u/ravengenesis1 Mar 24 '23
All my video game WWII experience has taught me, that object has infinite health and you probably have to go on foot.
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u/LittleMissFirebright Mar 23 '23
The Russians are using WW2 Era equipment, so it's not even obsolete yet. :D
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u/InnocentTailor Mar 24 '23
I mean…all sides are scrounging for stuff. Such is the nature of total war - something not experienced by the world in a long time.
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u/HotPunjabiSex Mar 23 '23
And they still pushed back the Ukrainians that have +$1 billion aid and NATO equipment.
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u/JonLongsonLongJonson Mar 24 '23
Wow, the largest country on Earth with 100million more population can throw more bodies at ditches and fields than their much smaller neighbor, who they also ruled over and oppressed for decades, can. We’re so impressed.
Wait except they’re still losing the war and on the defensive…oh well, maybe their goal was actually to get their teeth kicked in, in which case, great success!
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u/lofigamer2 Mar 24 '23
The Aid is spent on more things than war. You know, they still run a country with all the men at the front lines.
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u/SporadicCabbage Mar 23 '23
It's got a job to do.
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u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue Mar 24 '23
Scene opens in a dark bar, the hedgehog morosely consuming a drink and cigarette. Two Ukrainian officers in full dress uniform walk up behind. Hedgehog, without turning around: “I told you, I’m retired.”
“There’s no one else sir. It’s the Russians, we need you for one last job.”
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u/mmgoodly Mar 24 '23 edited Mar 24 '23
I'm accustomed to thinking of hedgehogs as being three I-beam sections welded together. Seeing this, where the mfr is-was using a cast cylinder of cement as the "glue alternative" is a beautiful thing. Sufficiently low technology ftw! "Take the welding gear to repair stuff, we've got this." And it's not even I-beam, just u-beam or steel sheet of sufficient gauge with two brake bends... !! 80-20, baby! BANG THOSE SUCKERS OUT
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u/LittleSansbits Mar 24 '23
And to a museum it will one day return, with a completely different label for a completely different war.
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u/Elocai Mar 24 '23
To be fair Russia now using T50 tanks is also something I only expected to see in a museum
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u/LeeviLux Mar 23 '23
What happens when a tank approaches? Will it not simply push it aside?
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u/2ByteTheDecker Mar 24 '23
Nope, the way tank treads work it can't get on top of them, and lateral friction is a bitch so pushing it is way harder than you would think.
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u/PetroleumVNasby Mar 24 '23
Real pain in the ass for tanks. Put a field of them down and you effectively deny that area to tanks.
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u/lofigamer2 Mar 24 '23
"We need you to serve our country once more, oh great anti-tank hedgehog. Thank you for your ageless wisdom!"
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u/ReplacementNo9874 Mar 24 '23
You’d think with $220 billion dollars they could get something that isn’t a piece of history
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u/Interesting-Orange47 Mar 24 '23
This would have pulled out of the museum and used when the invasion first occurred in February 2022...long before Ukraine knew what type of backing they would receive.
War is very expensive...if you've got it and it works, might as well use it...
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u/Donk454 Mar 24 '23
It’s amazing how long these have been used, Vlad the Impailer used simple ones in his war with the Turks
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u/Lou_Garu Mar 23 '23
One hundred BILLION dollars ( $ 100,000,000,000 $) in US aid and Zelenskyi still can't afford new ordnance ..??
Where did US taxpayer money really go?
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u/jason_abacabb Mar 23 '23
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
It must be cheap to keep a goverment running during war in your easily bent mind.
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u/redditusetobegood Mar 23 '23
I wouldn’t waste your time, they have an interesting take on the world/sanity is slipping.
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u/MediocreI_IRespond Mar 23 '23 edited Mar 23 '23
In aid, not in money. Neither it is ordnance.
And billion is nothing to make Russia bleed, to cripple its economy, make the world rely on US agricultre, gas, oil and arms (produced in the US) as well as make Russia loose just about any political influence, in fact it is dirt cheap.
And of course stop Russia doing it again and again. Plus demostrating China that the US is willing to committing substantial resources to defend even a non-ally.
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u/IM_OZLY_HUMVN Mar 24 '23
I don't see why one wouldn't use a perfectly fine hedgehog like the one in this post? It's already there so it's cheaper and the money can be better used elsewhere.
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u/mrubuto22 Mar 24 '23
I'm guessing it's for the photo op
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u/IM_OZLY_HUMVN Mar 24 '23
Ah yes because everything you see in a photo must be there specifically for the photo
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u/mrubuto22 Mar 24 '23
I mean.. we're literally looking at the photo. Someone took the photo. 😐
This is a photograph
It's a pretty powerful image. WW2 era gear is being used to fight Russians who once fought nazis and are now using the same playbook.
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u/TheNinjaSausage Mar 24 '23
Exactly, why would you place all the funds into advanced vehicles, arms and missiles, when you could get the solid gold hedgehogs!
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u/Chance-Rush-9983 Mar 24 '23
Should work just fine cuz it sounds like that’s the era of tanks Russia is sending to the front lines…
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u/JohnTaylorson Mar 24 '23
Good job they put a little fence in front to obstacle people from being obstacled by the obstacle.
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