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UK mum stabs paedophile to death after he abused her kids | news.com.au

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/mum-stabbed-paedophile-to-death-after-he-abused-her-children/news-story/2d10aa45af992bf4f4e153a72752e766
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u/rigelandsirius 7d ago

According to the BBC 'During the court case it emerged that Pleasted had changed his name from Robin Moult and was a convicted paedophile. He had 24 previous convictions for sex offending spanning three decades. His crimes had carried jail terms. But nobody in the area, including the local council that housed him, knew about his past.'

This was an absolute failure on the part of governmental oversight, and her sons will live with lifelong trauma because of it. I can understand why she felt like she did, they literally had to leave their home because Pleasted bailed out and was allowed to return to his home, which was right across the street from them.

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u/ChintanP04 7d ago

He had 24 previous convictions for sex offending spanning three decades.

Holy shit, how do you rake up that many convictions and not end up with enough sentences to add up to a life term is beyond me.

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u/Shreedac 7d ago

Sounds like the justice system failed

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u/QuantumRealityBit 7d ago

But street justice prevailed.

On one hand, I’m not a huge fan of vigilante justice.

On the other, the fucker abused many kids apparently. Best to get him off the street one way or the other so I’m fine with it.

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u/iwillmuffyou 7d ago

When it's a mom and the victim is her kid's rapist/molester, I don't call that vigilantism, it's just nature taking its course.

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u/c1e2477816dee6b5c882 7d ago

Crimes of passion are hard to argue against

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u/mdielmann 7d ago

I prefer justice, but, failing that, vengeance will suffice.

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u/DeepFriedDrywall 7d ago

I consider this particular vengeance to be justice

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u/TimeLordEcosocialist 7d ago

Only 2% of reported rapes result in jail time for the offender.

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u/Intelligent_Fun_4131 7d ago

Nothing new there, detain the innocent but leave the actual criminals run around.

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u/themangastand 7d ago

Well that crime didn't impact anyone wealthies money. So it may as well have not been a crime

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u/Deadleggg 7d ago

It wasn't a crime against property so they don't care as much.

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u/puddyspud 7d ago

How can you have any convictions like that and be able to legally change your name?

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u/DeadWishUpon 7d ago

And if I understood the article right the mom who took justice by her hand did receive more time in jail. This wouldn't happen if they would've gave him more time and didn't allow to change his name. WTF is wrong with the world?

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u/ChintanP04 7d ago Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

She was jailed for three and a half years - but later saw the sentence increased to seven and a half years because it was ruled to be too lenient. Court of Appeal judges said she had done nothing to help Pleasted, hadn't called the emergency services.

The asshole judge who increased her sentence will also rot in hell. Bastards, the whole justice system. Motherfuckers can't keep a pedo piece of shit behind bars but will gladly sentence a mother to 7 years in prison for doing what they didn't have the balls to do.

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u/RonBourbondi 7d ago

UK goes easy on pedophiles for whatever reason.

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u/j6all 7d ago Lurking

See also prince andrew

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u/HotShark97 7d ago

I’d rather not

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u/SnooHobbies8473 7d ago

Jimmy Savile also comes to mind..

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u/Same-Reason-8397 7d ago

So many of them in positions of power, anyway.

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u/HuhWhatWhy_ 7d ago

It's funny because at the same time we'll make entire football chants about nonces

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u/Potential-Style-3861 7d ago

Ok new rule: You can no longer serve assault, sex, and murder offences concurrently. consecutive only.

Also for child sex offences there is to be no early release for good behaviour.

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u/evangelionmann 7d ago

if they happened at the same time, and sentencing is to be served concurrently, as opposed to consecutively, then they don't add together.

basically, with Concurrent sentencing, you only serve time for the longest period sentenced, because you are doing all your sentences at the same time. if you are sentenced with 5 years for one crime, and 10 years for another, to be served Concurrently, then you only serve 10 years.

with Consecutive sentencing, you can't serve time for a second sentence, until you have finished serving time for the first. if you are sentenced 5 years for one crime, and 10 years for another, to be served Consecutively, then you serve 15 years.

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u/bamboo-lemur 7d ago

Basically, if you know you are going to be sentenced for 10 years for something, then you may as well commit a few smaller crimes only worth 2 or 3 years each. That way the smaller crimes will all be served during your 10 year sentence anyway.

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u/viletomato999 7d ago

Why stop at smaller crimes? commit the equal magnitude crime to maximize the overlap. The concurrent system is just encouraging people to commit more crimes. What genius came up with this idea?

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u/evangelionmann 7d ago

not quite. concurrent sentencing is only used for non-violent crimes, for one thing. for another, it doesnt get applied to multiple instances of crime. just individual crimes that break multiple laws. (i.e. shooting someone breaks many laws. assault, battery, assault with a deadly weapon, etc etc.)

it can also be used as a plea deal bargain.... but if you steal a car, abandon that car, and then steal another car, you dont serve those sentences concurrently. thats not how that works.

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u/viletomato999 7d ago

Ok thanks for the info.

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u/Ek_Chutki_Sindoor 7d ago

UK seems to not take pedophilia seriously. There have been dozens of grooming gang cases in the last decades where police failed to do their job.

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u/TheDemonHauntedWorld 7d ago edited 7d ago

Because the judges and prosecutors don't want to create precedent of longer sentences in case they get caught.

But steal 500 bucks from a corporation... and you'll never see the light of day for a long time.

EDIT: There was literally a child brothel run with the help of the MI6 (or 5) so they could gather blackmail material on all the politicians, judges, lords, of Northern Ireland.

When the conspiracy was discovered... EVERY branch of the UK government did everything to cover it up. The victims were harassed. The agent who blew the whistled was punished. Judges road blocked any attempt at a investigation.

Read on the Kincora Boys' Home.

There isn't a single government official in the UK who isn't involved with pedophilia.

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u/smeghammer 7d ago

Cos Britain loves a fucking pedophile

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u/SoldatJ 7d ago

Savile, Andrew, who else?

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u/Nerdlinger 7d ago

This was an absolute failure on the part of governmental oversight

His prior convictions also happened before there was a sex offender registry. This was before there was any oversight to be done.

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u/rigelandsirius 7d ago

That's true, but the fact that he had been assaulting kids for over 30 years and his repeat-offender status didn't qualify him to spend the rest of his life in prison is totally fucked.

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u/aluminum_oxides 7d ago

People have been sexually abusing kids since the dawn of time. It’s reasonable to expect the government to have had better systems in place earlier.

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u/Pingaring 7d ago

I still dont get why there isn't life sentences for this type of stuff. Fuck the registry

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u/Gareth79 7d ago

There should probably have been provision for the most serious or persistent offenders to have been added to the register at the outset I guess! Police forces could have come up with a few hundred names each without too much effort.

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u/TheCrushSoda 7d ago

It says in the article she was jailed for 7 and a half years. Also this happened in 2014.

"Ms Sands was convicted of manslaughter on the basis of loss of control after an Old Bailey trial in 2015, and eventually jailed for seven and a half years after having her sentenced increased by the Court of Appeal."

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u/Ok-Mycologist2220 7d ago

I would assume she would have a pretty good case for temporary insanity caused by extreme emotional distress.

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u/Baratheoncook250 7d ago

And Knighthood

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u/Gareth79 7d ago

Not sure the royal family would agree to that...

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u/Baratheoncook250 7d ago

Then, Prince William or Harry can knight her

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u/SoggyMattress2 7d ago

Unfortuantely, sex offenders who are reintroduced to the community are rarely, if ever declared. The CPS has learned that disclosing this information typically (and understandably) results in the paedophile being harassed/beaten/bullied and nearly always results in a rehoming procedure, which costs money and resources, which the CPS has neither.

Even the sex offenders register or community created apps can miss people, and its not really something you ever think of looking up.

It's absolutely fucking disgusting.

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u/Dal90 7d ago

CPS = England & Wales Prosecutor's office

Americans would usually read that acronym as Child Protective Services.

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u/vendreadnights 7d ago

I feel like sometime before 24 offences you are supposed to throw away the key

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u/TheAsianTroll 7d ago

Absolutely disgusting. 24 convictions? Seriously?

This is why child sex offenses shouldn't have a "second chance". Anyone charged with sexual offenses towards kids should never see the outside of a cell.

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u/theresabeeonyourhat 7d ago

UK government has always been good about that

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u/TheYellowChicken 7d ago

British government hides pedophiles more than the US does, and that's saying something

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u/Nozomi_Shinkansen 7d ago

There was a case in Texas about 10 years ago where a rancher caught one of his ranch hands molesting his 4 year old daughter in the most vile way. The rancher beat the ranch hand to death. He was arrested but the prosecutor refused to charge him because he knew that no jury would convict a father under the circumstances.

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u/chazak710 7d ago

I think he actually wasn't even arrested. He had called 911 for an ambulance once he came back to himself and realized how badly he'd beaten the guy. Killing someone to stop a rape is allowed under Texas law and they investigated to make sure that was actually what happened, but did not arrest the father in the meantime. Between the 911 tape and the forensic evidence on the daughter, it was clear what had happened and the grand jury refused to indict on the grounds that the level of force was authorized.

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u/BigAppleHooker 7d ago Wholesome Take My Energy Starry

Interesting that Texas understands that rape is a terrible crime, so terrible that murdering the rapist is ok, but if the rape victim gets pregnant, wellll…..

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u/ChiefBroChill 7d ago

From 0 - Killdozer real quick in that situation

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u/blackcatt42 7d ago

I got pregnant from rape at 14 and I often think about this. I truly cannot fucking imagine

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u/Azrael_Alaric 7d ago

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Also a survivor, though thankfully I didn't get pregnant. Hope you're now in a better place 💜

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u/corgi-king 7d ago

Sorry for what happened to you. Hope you doing better now.

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u/blackcatt42 7d ago

Thank you! Surprisingly it never bothered me that much or I repressed it. I miscarried which is sometimes sad I guess. I’ve never bothered to unpack it in therapy because it just doesn’t seem like, important ? But yeah, weird to imagine what it would have been like if it worked out differently, and my heart hurts for young women who don’t get a choice.

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u/corgi-king 7d ago

I am no expert, but if you can afford it. Talk to someone professional might be a good idea. Our minds is a very interesting thing. Some bad thing might hidden under surface and affect you someday. I really hope that is not your case, but just to be safe.

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u/apex_tiger_ttv 7d ago

I’m sorry that you had to go through that and hope you’ve been able to heal from that trauma

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u/ariehn 7d ago

That's what the Arkansas governor said. He'd met several such girls, he explained -- 12, 10 years old and impregnated. Said it was a horror. That they absolutely must be given the opportunity to have the pregnancy removed from their bodies. He found the sorrow of it just absolutely unbearable.

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u/Catlagoon 7d ago

That's a fucking crazy story that more people should know about. I think it was called the killdozer or something similar. It was wild.

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u/TheDunwichBartender 7d ago

There is a great documentary about it on Netflix.

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u/inrinsistent 7d ago

The heemeyer method

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u/Gahan1772 7d ago

They like the man killing man part

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u/showers_with_grandpa 7d ago

And yet how many Texans are incarcerated for smoking weed?

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u/lurkmode_off 7d ago

Well you want to prevent the rape at all costs but once a woman has already been raped she's ruined, so...

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u/tsaoutofourpants 7d ago

Killing someone to stop a rape is allowed under Texas law

Errr, in every state killing someone if necessary to stop a rape is allowed, but if the person is unconscious and you keep beating them until dead, no state actually allows that. As poster above said, the issue is simply that no jury will convict (for better or worse).

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u/Fanceyreddit 7d ago

Texas has one thing right.

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u/DanMorgan405 7d ago

There is a video of a guy killing his sons abuser from a live newscast. He was guilty a sentenced to parole.

Gary Plauche.

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u/Exciting_Patient4872 7d ago

That was not premeditated though.

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u/Suddenly_Seinfeld 7d ago

True. However, to see a case of the US justice system letting premeditated vigilante murder go with a slap on the wrist look no further than Gary Plauche

Killed his son’s rapist/kidnapper on camera and walked away from it a free man.

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u/Due-Science-9528 7d ago

It is hard to get juries to convict when they agree with what the person on trail did, so it isn’t worth the effort to try to prosecute people who kill pedos in most situations.

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u/WildSauce 7d ago

Gary's son Jody wrote a book about the whole thing - Why Gary Why?. It is worth reading for any parent who struggles with teaching their child, and themselves, how to recognize grooming behavior. It is hard to rate a book about victimization, but Jody does an excellent job telling his story in a way that is sobering but not too dark.

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u/CruwL 7d ago

That was an interesting reddit rabbit hole, he still ended up with a conviction after pleading down but didn't spend any time in prison

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u/Meetchel 7d ago

Agreed. No one is going to fault the mother for what she did, but vigilante justice in modern society is dangerous. Walking in on an act like this and killing then is much different than hunting and killing the person afterward.

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u/AkhilVijendra 7d ago

It's different but i wouldn't say it's very different. There is no way you can argue that fit of rage should happen only at that instant and cannot happen anytime post facto.

Personally, what matters to me is determining if the accused would be of any real danger to the society in future. If they won't be of any danger then both cases you described are exactly the same.

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u/ThatLooseCake 7d ago

Fwiw I think the difference isn't about a "fit of rage" but rather that "walking in" on the act in process means that it's still actively happening, so any amount of force required to stop the active and heinous crime-in-progress is justified. As opposed to a crime having already been committed, still horrifying and awful, but at that point you're delivering punishment, which is generally the role of the courts and makes it vigilante justice.

Of course, there's plenty of debate to be had about whether or not the courts are sufficient, or what to do when you believe the courts have failed in providing adequate justice, but I think that's the distinction between the two situations.

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u/prettyradical 7d ago

As he should have. Even if the prosecutor had moved forward no jury on planet earth would’ve convicted him.

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u/Kirlain 7d ago

He beat him to death with his own hands, like a boss.

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u/earsofdoom 7d ago

I imagine they had to take him to the hospital, could you imagine what shape your hands would be in after beating someone to death?

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u/Frank_Bigelow 7d ago

That depends entirely on how often you punch things. One person might break some metacarpals, while another might not damage themselves at all.

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u/gtchuckd 7d ago

Yes. Absolutely yes. You could remove my hands after that if needed and I’d still be glad I did it because of my kids.

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u/GabaPrison 7d ago

I pictured something quite different the first time I read your comment.

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u/auberrypearl 7d ago

I hope he & his daughter are okay now

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u/Terranrp2 7d ago

Fuckin 24 convictions and still not only out and about to commit another crime for which he was awaiting trial but also allowed bail? 24 times. Jfc.

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u/SterlingMNO 7d ago

Mad, you see numbers like that and you have to question whether the judges hes been infront of are utterly incompetent or the system simply doesn't allow for them to declare them a danger to society and keep them away.

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u/GloriousBarbarian 7d ago

It's still suprising that people with heinous crimes are allowed to change their names.

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u/Valyris 7d ago

Completely baffles me as well.

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u/MattC1977 7d ago Wholesome

7 years away for stabbing to death a pedo that touched my kids? I’d take it.

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u/Goodolchuckno 7d ago

I’m surprised she did time at all.

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u/BumderFromDownUnder 7d ago

I’ve not read it at all but it seems likely she went and sought pre-meditated revenge, which the law cannot condone (7 years is nothing for premeditated murder). If she’d walked in on him in the act with one of her children, she’d could have got zero time at all.

With that said, she’d be treated like prison royalty once they discovered what she did. By the inmates AND the guards.

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u/HansMoleman0 7d ago

This happened back in 2014 and she was released in 2018. The reason it’s making the news again over here in the UK is because she’s campaigning for more controls around sex offenders being able to have a complete change in identity which allowed this guy to avoid DBS checks that would highlight him as an offender. As for the original sentencing she was actually given 3.5 years originally but it got doubled because she made no effort to try and help the guy once he was dying and it was deemed manslaughter not murder due to her losing control considering the circumstances and the guy showing no remorse.

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u/splatomatic 7d ago

SLPT: perform half-assed, sarcastic CPR on your next murder victim to halve your sentence

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u/Umklopp 7d ago

No, do it properly. You might break their ribs.

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u/3orangefish 7d ago

If we can call veterans heroes, we can give this woman a fucking metal. She’s a hero, and if I was her child, I would have felt loved and saved. That judge should be ashamed of themselves.

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u/Ranger2580 7d ago

but it got doubled because she made no effort to try and help the guy once he was dying

Whoever wrote the laws around this scenario must be in an asylum, because I'm not sure why a single sane person on the planet would want to help a serial rapist who assaulted their fucking kids

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u/wildgoo 7d ago

Note taken; stab heartily and provide cpr until no blood remains.

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u/Bagzy 7d ago

Consider the much more likely scenario of a stabbing in a fight or a punch up where someone gets knocked out and then the assailant leaves them in the street instead of calling the Ambos

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u/rosemwelch 7d ago

It's meant for more common situations like battering your spouse or child, or a bar fight etc. Instead, these are highly unusual circumstances.

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u/DownvoteEvangelist 7d ago

I doubt there are laws for this specific situation...

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u/Alcohorse 7d ago

Seriously. She's probably going to have a real nice mellow time in prison

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u/TheDesktopNinja 7d ago

Hopefully gets to have visitation time with her kids.

She did the world a favor.

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u/GangGang_Gang 7d ago

Honestly. I respect people who understand the problem they have and seek help, and feel for the people who have this issue but can't afford health. But people who act on it should be put down like this dude. Fuck pedos.

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u/Cpt_Woody420 7d ago

Shes already out by the sounds of it. Sentenced to 7.5 years in 2014, probably why the case is coming back in to public attention.

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u/marktandem 7d ago

She's already out, it's in the news because they revealed it was her 3 kids that were abused, previously this was not known as they were only like 10 at the time so they didn't make that info public.

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u/Resident_Piccolo_866 7d ago

Not to mention seven years is really gonna turn out to be 3-4 years in prison

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u/Daxtatter 7d ago

Is that the case in the UK prison system? Real question.

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u/Debtcollector1408 7d ago

It's common for custodial sentences to be less than the official sentence time. For example, if you're sentenced to 7 years for beating a nonce to death, but you have no previous convictions, show remorse and good behaviour in the prison and engage with any rehabilitation, you can expect to get out early.

If you're a career criminal, a recidivist and you make life hard for the screws, you can expect to serve much more of your sentence.

Broadly speaking, HMG doesn't want people in prison. The prisons are overcrowded, and in many cases don't act as a proper deterrent. We'd be better taking a Scandinavian model and focusing on rehabilitation rather than punishment, but that seems unlikely. So, now, we just let prisoners out early.

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u/TheSaxonPlan 7d ago edited 7d ago

That last part drives me crazy... Like, we punish people, and then by the very act of punishing them, deny them a bunch of things or make it more difficult to succeed even though they've paid their time, and that in turn makes them more likely to resort to crime to survive. I know it's a vicious cycle by design, but, like, ugh, this place sucks.

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u/ratsta 7d ago

I’ve not read it at all

So why espouse an opinion at all?

The article literally says she went over to try to threaten him into admitting guilt so her kids wouldn't have to testify. She was given manslaughter because the court agreed she hadn't gone over to kill him, but the situation got out of control.

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u/Otmarr 7d ago

Guy had like 30 crimes on him, mostly with kids. Some people truly don't deserve to be alive if sll they're doing is causing harm

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u/PoxyMusic 7d ago edited 7d ago

A priest who taught at my high school had abused two brothers when they were very young, telling them that he could kill the other, if one of them talked. When one of those boys grew up, he found, and beat the living shit out of him.

He was found not guilty of assault, which was surprising.

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u/Nandor1262 7d ago

She was meant to get 3 and a half years but the judge ruled that she had taken steps to leave no finger prints at the scene and she didn’t call the emergency services so she made it harsher.

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u/scritty 7d ago

Ah, so next time, set the place on fire on the way out instead.

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u/Cattaphract 7d ago

That would given you 20 yrs

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u/methodin 7d ago

What if you set the court, jail and laws on fire too? And time?

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u/hankbaumbachjr 7d ago

Some girl in Iowa was just convicted of killing her rapist but last I heard she escaped custody. I hope they never find her.

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u/engineerfieldmouse 7d ago

I wonder how people like this live in prison? Are other prisoners and guards understanding? I would think this person automatically gets the lightest duty ever.

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u/SirAbeFrohman 7d ago

Yeah, but the fact that she had to is bull shit.

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u/Haaa_penis 7d ago

Speaking as someone who was pedophile’d, I wish someone had stepped in like this but I don’t wish them years in prison for defending her children. Seems heavy. She should not be doing time. Probation for seven years is fine with me.

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u/TheDesktopNinja 7d ago

At the same time, we can't have civilians just going out and enacting vigilante justice on a whim. I agree that she did "the right thing", but effectively giving people a green light to kill "for justice" is a hard pass for me.

I doubt she even serves the full 7 years, and she'd probably say she'd do it again if you ask her when she gets out.

The system failed her, her kids and other families. The system needs to be better

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u/P_A_I_M_O_N 7d ago

This is a situation for the immortal words of Chis Rock:

“Now I’m not saying [she] should have killed [him]… but I understand”

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u/NoiseyTurbulence 7d ago

Same here, I want them off this planet. Sadly there were many more victims after me and the trauma has never left me.

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u/Haaa_penis 7d ago

It is the single worst violation of the human spirit. This includes rape naturally. Sexual violence comes in so many forms. Mine lasted for years. It got harder to get away when my grades depended on my allowance of this person to assault me almost daily.

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u/districtcurrent 7d ago

Why? So the kids have 7 years without you when they desperately need you?

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u/Exciting_Patient4872 7d ago

I would feel so guilty that my mother did that for me.

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u/districtcurrent 7d ago

Yeah exactly. How does this help the kids? It’s always the top comment on these types of post. Massive r/IAmVeryBadAss vibes

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u/ToplaneVayne 7d ago

I wouldn't. Kids are going to live the next 7 years without a mother.

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u/QuickJellyfish2 7d ago

She was sentenced 8 years ago and the article says “Now her brave boys, who have now waived their anonymity, have told how they thought their mum was a hero for killing their abuser.” So it seems they didn’t mind

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u/spiritbx 7d ago

If only there SOME kind of clue or red flag that we could have known that would tell us that this person would abuse a kid.

Too bad there was nothing, if there was, then the government would be 1000% responsible for letting this person free despite these people almost always re-offending...

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u/Kazooguru 7d ago

A person I knew very well, grew up in an impoverished country, and the only running water and showers were communal. My friend was raped as a young boy by a man in the communal shower. He was able to escape, ran home and told his mother. The mother grabbed a knife from the kitchen, ran out into the neighborhood and found the pedophile. Without hesitation, she plunged the knife into his abdomen and walked away. None of the witnesses named her and she was never charged. This was 50 years ago.

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u/Scottagain19 7d ago Gold

Proper sentence is “time served”

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u/wildjunkie 7d ago

For real tho I don’t know why any judge or jury would put someone away for this many years for getting rid of a monster like that she did the world a favor those kind of people never change once they get outta prison they end up doing the same shit again

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u/C4ptainR3dbeard 7d ago

If they set a precedent that it's okay to take justice into your own hands if you're really sure they did it, people will get too comfortable trying to pass sentence outside of court and innocent people will get hurt.

Only be a vigilante if it's worth doing time over. Even then, there's always the possibility you've got it wrong.

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u/Scottagain19 7d ago

I recall hearing a similar circumstance where a father killed someone. The sentence was a few hundred hours of community service. I can get behind that.

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u/Dzyu 7d ago

This is more common when the hero catches the criminal in the act. In this case, the mother went over with a knife from her home to talk with him, admitting that someone has to protect the kids from him since the justice system failed. He had 30 previous convictions of child molestation. She was released after 4 years.

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u/rocko7927 7d ago

what a sad situation for the children

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u/SisterYahtzee 7d ago

She was given 7.5 years. Frankly, that's too much.

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u/prompt_skeptic69 7d ago

yeah.... nothing lower than a pedo.

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u/KJBenson 7d ago

Except their enablers in worldwide organizations.

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u/gameplayuh 7d ago

If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it

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u/jambobam 7d ago

I’ll betcha you would have done the same

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u/MGD109 7d ago

Judge: Have you ever heard of Perjury?

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u/InanetV 7d ago edited 7d ago

Ms Sands was convicted of manslaughter on the basis of loss of control after an Old Bailey trial in 2015, and eventually jailed for seven and a half years after having her sentenced increased by the Court of Appeal

Should have been no time. The pedophile she killed was 77 and a pedophile.

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u/LemonHerb 7d ago

Basically the court decided to double down and screw these kids too by taking their mom away

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u/Chiggadup 7d ago edited 7d ago

Unfortunately, the reality is that the court can’t just say “murdering pedophiles is okay.” As much as I understand her rage, it was premeditated by her changing locations and the court can’t send a signal out to all people that “murdering pedophiles is now legal.”

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u/fakerjohn 7d ago

Very true. Because if killing pedophiles in vigilante justice is legal, suddenly everyone starts calling each other pedophiles. See Alex Jones finding instances of a pedophile ring in “leaked” DNC emails and a dude shows up to my favorite pizza parlor with a big gun looking to save the day.

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u/Bigfrostynugs 7d ago

Unfortunately, the reality is that they court can’t just say “murdering pedophiles is okay.”

I don't know how it works in the UK, but in the US a jury can absolutely decide that a specific murder is justified and choose to acquit. And in many cases they should.

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u/Chiggadup 7d ago

Sure, the jury can acquit. It may teeter close to jury nullification (which is pretty dangerous talk for a jury in the states). But The Court, as in the Justice system, can’t do that.

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u/Bigfrostynugs 7d ago

The court can simply give a sweetheart deal to people if they want to.

Gary Plauche never served any prison time for murdering his son's rapist.

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u/InanetV 7d ago

That's how I view it too. Hasn't that family been through enough at that point? It said she initially went over there just to threaten the man to stop. Obviously things escalated, and I don't blame her one bit. I don't think that man agreed to stop.

So at that point it's either her kids, or that man. Couldn't imagine any parent being OK with that, unless they were the parents like that couple in "Speak No Evil" lol and I think everyone who watched that movie raged hard when the parents didn't adequately support their child.

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u/stampydog 7d ago

The article didn't say the confrontation was about the abuse, the confrontation was because he was going to court but wouldn't plead guilty meaning her kids would have had to testify so she was asking him to plead guilty to save her children from having to testify. I assume the stop abusing my kids talk had already happened at this point.

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u/ForceBlade 7d ago

"Basically"? 7 years is the law minimum for murder. They couldn't have made it any lower even though she deserves no time.

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u/Lambchoptopus 7d ago

How can the court increase a sentence?

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u/Bustomat 7d ago

Can't really blame the mother. Not sure I wouldn't have done the same.

It's chilling to think of the many kids he surely abused between his last conviction and his death.

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u/Ryuko_the_red 7d ago

7 years for all the people who failed to send his ass to rot in hell

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u/parabolaralus 7d ago

The knife is not ok. It was born to cut tomatoes and the second it ended up inside a pedophile it needed immediate therapy.

Poor knife.

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u/OrangedJuice1989 7d ago

He RAN into her knife. He RAN into her knife TEN TIMES.

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u/kaysmaleko 7d ago

It was a murder, but not a crime.

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u/Icy_1 7d ago

And then he ran into my knife He ran into my knife ten times 🎶

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u/svxxo 7d ago

24 offenses?! I got summoned to court when "council" decides that me, a student, owe them taxes. FFS.

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u/mrkit876 7d ago

I’m sorry I know people don’t like capital punishment but reoffenders like this with 24 counts just won’t and have shown they cannot be rehabilitated nor fit into society and so it’s either death or life long incarceration.

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u/-porridgeface- 7d ago

Honestly, some people are just monsters and there’s no fucking way to fix them. They’re are inherently evil.

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u/mrkit876 7d ago

I guess the main argument constantly used is pretty frequently people can be wrongfully convicted.

But generally speaking for mass shooters, rapist, pedophile and very violent individuals there’s just no real alternative.

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u/WhySoCrunchyThough 7d ago

I saw “UK” at the beginning and knew she was gonna get time.

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u/Chiggadup 7d ago

She’d likely get time in the states too.

If she learned live and he was there they may have an argument, but with my very limited legal knowledge her grabbing a knife and going TO where Pleastad was is absolutely premeditation.

I’m not saying I don’t understand her motive (as a parent especially), but when you say “I’m taking a weapon and I’m going to where a person is that has harmed me to give them a piece of my mind” that crosses into 1st degree murder territory for sure. At least initially before pleas and all that.

Another thing that bugs me is while I totally understand her rage, now she doesn’t get that time with her boys. They’re motherless for years. I don’t know. She’s not the monster here, I know, but just terrible all around.

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u/zethro33 7d ago

DA would probably try to do a deal in this case. Would be hard to get a jury to convict I think.

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u/matematematematemate 7d ago

I wonder how it would have played out if she went to his house without the knife, but then grabbed one when she was there and did the same?

Perhaps she could have said that she went to talk to him about the accusations and, upon finding out what he'd done, she lost it in the moment. It removes the notion that she went there with the express intention to harm him as a definitive fact, even though it could have still been her intention to do it.

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u/HailThunder 7d ago

Hero mom does her job.

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u/BroccoliPrince 7d ago

There are dangers to vigilante justice, and taking the law into your own hands like this isn't something be encouraged or applauded - far too easy for things to get out of control.

Having said that, it's hard to condemn her. Her response is understandable, I can only imagine the anger and horror she must have felt when her children told her what had happened.

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u/empiricism 7d ago

The article clearly articulates how the UK “justice system” failed to protect her children.

I cannot and will not fault a parent for doing what’s necessary to protect their children from sexual abuse.

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u/DavinaCole 7d ago

Yah I don’t think she should be in prison or charged

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u/TackleElectrical4801 7d ago

That’s the old man from family guy

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u/BringBackBoshi 7d ago

Based on how many times this happened he would've done this again for sure. The justice system failed horribly to protect these children so she took matters into her own hands.

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u/MGD109 7d ago

This happened back in 2014, she's already been released.

Its only back in the news cause her children are finally old enough to speak on it.

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u/A_DAM84 7d ago

I hate to see that she is doing time. This is the fault of the system that allowed a convicted sex offender to live in site of a school with a clean record. Nobody knew who he was, she should sue.

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