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Amazon CEO says company won't take down antisemitic film
https://apnews.com/article/brooklyn-nets-nba-entertainment-technology-sports-be59946e0620997b8f1e2ac267bb9e4c?utm_source=Connatix&utm_medium=HomePage2.3k
u/Kaneshadow
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Amazon shopping is 75% Chinese clearing houses with randomly generated names. Did anyone think they had some kind of standards for taking people's money?
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u/curry_fiend Dec 01 '22
All those random gibberish bullshit brand names for cheap crap make me laugh
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u/C-Jen Dec 01 '22 •
There's a very specific reason why they come up with weird counterintuitive unnatural names.
It's so they can be confident they won't get sued for trademark infringement.
Nowadays the actual trademark of the item is not terribly important when people do web searches. If the coat hanger is a "Catllerbiy" brand hanger, nobody's going to bother typing that into the search bar. They rely on completely different algorithms to push to the top of the search results, and they know your Amazon shopping history will keep your items in perpetuity so you can find and repurchase them again.
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u/Mithorium Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
I wish it were merely a Catllerbiy Coat Hanger, no, what you are buying today is the CATLLERBIY 5 PCS BEST PREMIUM BAMBOO HANGER FOR COATS JACKETS SHIRTS SOCKS HIGH QUALITY UNISEX 17 IN (42 CM) FOR CLOTHES HANGING AND STORAGE
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u/aboatz2 Dec 01 '22
You wish it were harder to tell that it's a cheap knockoff...? When you see those drawn-out names, you are essentially guaranteed that it's garbage...a simple name gives the appearance of legitimacy & brand value.
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u/avipars Dec 01 '22
Also harder to detect if they are legitimate or not for a computer
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u/Randiebobandie Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22
with 90% fake reviews. seriously not kidding that several years ago amazon literally banned me from leaving any customer reviews because i reported fake reviews. they said it was suspicious activity and they can't talk to me more about it lol. i just made a new account, but still
*edit: if i remember correctly, what i was reporting as fake were screen protectors and cases for phones that weren't even out yet had 5 star reviews saying it fit perfectly and was great. eg.. an iphone 15 case with people saying it fit great!
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u/Useful-Description90 Dec 01 '22
From what I've seen, there are groups on WeChat where the seller gives you stuff for free in exchange for positive reviews
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u/TroperCase Dec 01 '22
I get slips inside the product's box saying "give 5 stars and we'll send you a gift card". Amazon Support told me they're allowed to do that.
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u/LongDickMcangerfist Dec 01 '22
Went to buy a waterproof blanket on there and a bunch were from random ass Chinese companies with literally the same reviews BEST BLANKET EVER. It was fucked up and funny in a way
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u/jschubart Dec 01 '22
They also don't seem to be selling the Turner Diaries. They can definitely be selective.
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u/brandongoldberg Dec 01 '22
Wait really? It used to be available
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u/jschubart Dec 01 '22
I took one for the team and searched it along with Camp of the Saints. Camp of the Saints is there in several editions but Turner Diaries is not. I also searched Mein Kampf and the Anarchist Cookbook (both on there) so if I was not on a list before, I sure as shit am now.
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u/Savingskitty Dec 01 '22
It’s some kind of business decision. Those items could have harmed Amazon’s brand at the time. I’m not sure what the difference is either, but apparently they’ve decided this film won’t hurt the bottom line.
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u/Elslav Dec 01 '22
It's 49.99 HD and 39.99 SD. if your willing to pay over Disney new release prices or pre order the new Avatar prices you have probably already read the book.
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u/Neuchacho Dec 01 '22
It's absolutely amazing to me how good the people that make shit like this are at fleecing the morons that buy into it.
Literally getting them to pay 2.5x the amount of a typical release by making them feel like they're fighting back against "wokeness" by buying abject shit.
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u/ArtBot2119 Dec 01 '22
Let’s make an anti-Amazon movie with the same amount of loose “facts” and see how long that shit stays up.
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u/BringBackBoshi Dec 01 '22
Good call. Just a 2 hour documentary about how Jeff Bezos likes to eat poop and how Amazon's little check mark smile logo is actually the devil's tail because Amazon is secretly a Satan worshiping cult that hides satanic messages in it's products to convert good Christian children and make them grow up to break all the commandments.
I want to see that get the same "freedom of speech" treatment. Yeah, not happening.
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u/jld2k6 Dec 01 '22
He owns the Washington Post and just got absolutely lit up by them yesterday on the front page of Reddit, curious to see if that journalist keeps getting to work with them
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u/SadGirlHours__ Dec 01 '22
I’d imagine Bezos couldn’t care less about what The Washington Post puts out, as long as it makes him money
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u/SchuminWeb Dec 01 '22
I suspect that he knows that if he wants it to remain prestigious, he needs to ensure that it operates in a way that befits a prestigious newspaper. Therefore, taking his lumps from the Post is protection of his investment.
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u/loose_turtles Dec 01 '22
It should be about their Union busting.
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u/mushrooms Dec 01 '22
The scary thing is if this might be allowed as an experiment just to see how much inaction there will be regarding it. Like they're almost sure it would cause meaningless retaliation. Kind of like an open secret.
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u/sev1nk Dec 01 '22
Because I didn't see it in the article:
The film promotes beliefs commonly found among antisemitic and extremist factions of the BHI movement, including claims that modern Jews are imposters who stole the religious heritage of Black people and have engaged in a “cover-up” to prevent Black people from knowing their “true” identity.
Seems like your typical History Channel schlock.
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u/tundey_1 Dec 01 '22
“As a retailer of content to hundreds of millions of customers with a lot of different viewpoints, we have to allow access to those viewpoints, even if they are objectionable — objectionable and they differ from our particular viewpoints,” the Times quoted Jassy as saying.
This is Amazon's way of saying "Antisemites, racists and hate mongers buy sneakers too" (and we want that money).
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u/mistertireworld Dec 01 '22
It's Amazon. They're not making a political statement. They're announcing the results of a cost/benefit analysis. They're a soulless monolith in search of the most dollars. They've determined that keeping the movie available makes them more money than it loses them. And that their primary function is to generate money. Their decision isn't informed by any sort of moral code or ethical analysis, so let's stop projecting it on them.
If you want them to take the movie down, simply make it cost them more than it makes them to keep the movie up. Create a buzz. A boycott movement.
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u/android_queen Dec 01 '22
Thing is if we haven’t boycotted Amazon for the antitrust issues, the anti-union activity, the poor working conditions, the terrible wages, the racial discrimination, the lack of concern for worker safety during the height of COVID, the selling of far right propaganda, the lack of quality control around third party sellers, the cooperation with law enforcement to share private recordings collected from people’s homes, the censorship in cooperation with the Chinese government, the flagging of LGBT material as “adult,” the sale of material that promotes pedophilia, or the previous sale of antisemitic material… I have little faith that this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. And Amazon knows it too.
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u/mistertireworld Dec 01 '22
Right. We've collectively proven to them that we are willing to trade what's right for next day shipping and we won't do anything. So, they'll continue to exploit that for money.
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u/Bit-Random
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I’m Jewish and frankly I think they should keep the movie there. I’ve watched it, it’s idiotic, and it’s much better to leave it there to be ridiculed rather than take it down and then racist idiots will be like “You see? The Jews silence us!”.
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u/Boner_McBigly Dec 01 '22
Same with Scientology, they're happy to show you how crazy they are.
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u/Big_Judgment3824 Dec 01 '22
If you make any decision based on how a racist will react, you'll still get "The Jews XYX..."
The thing with racists is they don't care if you take it down or don't, they're going to hate you just the same.
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u/eq2_lessing Dec 01 '22
and then racist idiots will be like “You see? The Jews silence us!”.
They don't need factual events to say that. Every piece of antisemitism and racism you remove leads to it being less normalised.
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u/Long-Night-Of-Solace Dec 01 '22
A small number of racist idiots feeling like they have more justification is an infinitely better outcome than a larger number of racist idiots.
This racist idiocy is already getting mainstream attention. We have to kill it dead.
This "contest of ideas" bullshit is so dangerous. Look around. The best ideas don't automatically win. Controversial ideas should have the space to be truly considered and tested.
Things that are primarily and deliberately dishonest/misleading, hateful, inflammatory and divisive have been tested a lot. We know the results. When you let them breathe, bad stuff happens. Always.
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u/tocsin1990 Dec 01 '22
You know, this feels like a weird mountain to die on for the company, and kind of puts my opinion in an unusual place. Like, on one hand, if they just decided to not remove anything at all and included this, I would support it, because the importance of anti-censorship and context of history. If they choose to remove both it and everything else offensive, I would unhappily understand it, because corporate politics. Half measures, though, just feel slimy and reek of capitulation.
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u/MetricOutlaw Dec 01 '22
No blackface episodes though because that might be construed as offensive.
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u/galaxy_van Dec 01 '22
But they all removed the ’Always Sunny’ “offensive” episodes?
What?