r/pcmasterrace
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u/KookyBone
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What Nvidia and AMD are doing right now... Meme/Macro
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u/zeb0777 Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 06 '23
What if I told you, you don't need to buy a new GPU every 1-2 years?
Let the manufacturers sit on their stockpile till it's priced reasonably.
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u/TheValkuma Jan 06 '23
2070 will take a long time to go at this rate, given how much new games fucking suck anyway
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u/Dynamitefuzz2134 Jan 06 '23
I built a PC with a 2070 right as the pandemic hit, so it wasn’t terrible priced.
I do see any reason to replace it unless I really wanted to get into 4k. But we’ll, I can wait for that for quite a few more years. I’m not paying $900+ for one part
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u/stormhunter2 Jan 06 '23
My rig has a 1070ti, running strong, I feel zero need to replace it.
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u/gnat_outta_hell R5 3600X, 32GB Corsair DDR4 3600 MHz, Strix RTX 2070 Jan 06 '23
Yup, picked up a used 2070 just before the 30 series dropped to upgrade my 970. It does just fine, and pushes high or ultra in all but the newest titles at acceptable frame rates. Why do it want to spend 1000 on a new GPU? Actually, I'm in Canada so with conversion and the Canuck tax in looking at like 1400 for a 1000 USD card.
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u/arakron Jan 06 '23
What if I told you I’ve been waiting to replace my GPU for 4 years now and prices have just been rising the entire time
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u/White_Tusk Jan 06 '23
Not everyone wants to replace it after 2 years. There's people that would like to upgrade from their 6-7 years old GPU and simply can't
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u/szibell Jan 05 '23
This is one of the biggest shit shows I've ever seen from hardware manufacturers.
And I've been around, you know.
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u/Captobvious75 Ryzen 5600 | Reference 7900XT | 65” LG C1 OLED Jan 05 '23
I feel like I got back into PC gaming at the wrong time.
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u/imnotokayandthatso-k Jan 05 '23
Even if you had 10 year old hardware theres several decades worth of sick games youve never played. PC Gaming is at its best if you’re not dead set on having good gpu benchmarks
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u/zublits Jan 05 '23
Hell, you could get a Steam Deck and play nearly everything you'd ever want for $400.
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u/hates_stupid_people Jan 05 '23
Depends on where you live.
I'm pretty sure the list of what countries Steam sell hardware in is a lot shorter than the list of which countries they don't sell in.
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u/Lightning-Yellow PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
It's still not being sold in a lot of regions. In my case for example, ever since the launch, Valve had no news about when it's gonna be released or if it is even gonna be released here.
So if you want to get a Deck in the regions that it isn't sold yet. Then you have to buy from people who imported it, which that doesn't help since they are scalping the prices.
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u/Nighthunter007 Ryzen 7 3700x | RTX 2080ti | 32GB RAM | EK Cryo Loop | RGB Jan 05 '23
You can also use a parcel forwarding service. You'll have to pay shipping from them to you, as well as any import duties, and a handling fee (they have to make their money somehow), but nobody's pocketing a margin on the product itself. I did this with both the Index and the Deck. In fact, I would guess many scalpers do it this way as well.
I did find with the Index a couple of scalpers undercutting this; I suspect they were smuggling the system past customs to avoid VAT.
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Jan 05 '23
You'll have to pay shipping from them to you, as well as any import duties, and a handling fee
how much would we have to pay additionally? $100?
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 05 '23
Without knowing where you are one couldn’t say, but if you’re interested you can pretty much always find a straight forward answer on your countries Customs website equivalent
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Jan 05 '23
Ah thanks, obvious answer but I didn't think of it lol
Apparently I'd have to pay $104 approx additionally just to import it to the country, not counting shipping and the ''handling fee'' which I don't what that is exactly.
That's just too much lol
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u/Re-core Jan 05 '23
Yep, live in México, pretty much next to USA where they sell the steam deck, yet i cant buy it from the steam store.
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u/Merry_Dankmas Jan 05 '23
PC Gaming is at its best if you’re not dead set on having good gpu benchmarks
Holy hell if this isn't the truth. When I built my first computer way back in the days of yore, all I cared about was the performance. Id run the benchmark tests, compare numbers to others online, monitor all my temps while playing, alter every setting I could to get every last frame out of my games etc. I wasnt treating games like games. I was treating them like performance tests. I was forgetting how to have fun with them. Once I finally dropped that mentality, I became so much more content. Not seeing a PC as a number flex gives you so much less headaches.
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u/markcocjin Jan 06 '23
A more sensible goal is to squeeze the most out of your current hardware since hardware relevancy is around 6 months.
It's the same with cars. If you keep selling your cars to get different ones, you're losing money. The generation leap between the videocards you buy should be dramatic. Jumping two generations forward only makes one similar to a fashion junkie. We should demand more from developers not making their game look like crap on reasonably powerful hardware.
I'm not impressed by those Unreal demo videos. They're only the result of mostly hardware improvements. So those fancy effects will come even from low tier developers on low tier engines in the future. I remember back in the day when normal mapping and parallax was mind blowing.
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u/TheGreatPiata Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Still sitting on my GTX 1060 for this reason. Also bought a mini PC for the living room with a Ryzen 6900HX. The iGPU will handle plenty and emulate most of the older consoles.
There's a huge back catalogue I can play and the trend of 2D or low poly 3d indie games makes it very easy to always have something new worth playing too.
Edit: corrected RTX to GTX.
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u/KneeCrowMancer Jan 05 '23
Yup, just started FTL today and I can already tell it’s a game I’ll sink hundreds of hours into. Honestly I have really started to like indie games a lot more than the drivel coming out of the big studios lately. They might not be as shiny but at least the gameplay is fun and interesting.
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u/SoCuteShibe 8700k~32GB 2666~1080Ti Jan 05 '23
Imo indie studios will be the lifeblood of PC gaming for the next few years. With generally lower hardware demands and a chance at actual good game play at an affordable price, it seems only natural at this point!
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u/Snotpotato Jan 05 '23
And you can find 3060 and 3070 builds for under $1k total. As long as you are not obsessed with having the latest and “greatest” there are options that work great
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u/Noispaxen Jan 05 '23
Exactly, I'm using laptop with GTX965m and honestly 95% of games run just fine...
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u/lapqmzlapqmzala Jan 05 '23
100%! Cheap deals for older games is so much better and cost-effective than brand new, overpriced, buggy AAA disappointments. But the lure of NEW SHINY THINGS is too much for a lot of people, unfortunately. I think I bought like one new game from 2022 last year and that was Dwarf Fortress.
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u/MrTopHatMan90 Jan 05 '23
It alright, just avoid the new graphic cards, everything else is far cheaper
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u/Forgiven12 Jan 05 '23
You never needed the latest GPUs to play all the games released up to this point.
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u/MetamorphicHard Jan 05 '23
Nah it’s actually one of the best times imo. As long as you’re not a graphics designer, you don’t need the newest gpu or a super powerful one. I got the 6700xt oc for only $350
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u/Lazy_ML Jan 05 '23
Exactly. You don’t need to play on the highest settings to enjoy gaming. Sure it’s awesome but not a hard requirement by any means. I’m still happy with the mid tier hardware I got in 2016 (i5 6600 + 1060 6gb). I’ve only changed a PSU since then. I remember when I got into PC gaming 25 years ago every few years my PC would need a major upgrade to be able to run new games. I’m talking about being completely incapable of running the games, not just running slow or on low settings.
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Jan 05 '23
Hardly worth playing most new games on max graphics anyways as the majority of them shit themselves if you do since practially all the new ganes are beta builds until they've been patched 30+ times
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u/CoffeeMaster000 RTX 3070 Jan 05 '23
Na, it's perfect. So many games like literally thousands and now we have Xbox and playstation games porting over to PC.
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u/lunchboxdeluxe Jan 05 '23
You didn't, people just like to bitch. There's competition in the CPU market, ram is relatively cheap, SSDs are cheap, and there are so many used GPUs out there... sure new GPUs are pricy right now, but there's always gonna be SOME kind of issue to be had.
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u/SantasWarmLap Jan 05 '23
new GPUs are pricy right now, but there's always gonna be SOME kind of issue to be had.
It's the release price and the price-to-performance ratio that has everyone up in arms (and they should be).
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u/RB1O1 Jan 05 '23
Buy a SteamDeck.
Indi Devs needs all the support we can give them,
Triple A needs to die.
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u/b_pilgrim Jan 05 '23
Fallout and Civilization are the only AAA series' I've cared about anymore for several years. Beyond that, all my money has gone to indie games for a very long time. We've been in a golden age for indie gaming on PC for a while now.
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u/pcmasterrace32 12600K | RTX 3080 FTW3 ULTRA Jan 05 '23
This is also a good strategy. Id also look into buying intel GPUs to help them with driver analytics.
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u/JoshZK Jan 05 '23
Yet people are buying. Alot of people are buying. Outside of reddit does anyone even notice how bad it is.
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u/MrCleanRed Jan 05 '23
No? GPU sales are down. Like lower than it ever was in last 20 years.
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u/Gamebird8 Ryzen 9 7950X, XFX RX 6900XT, 64GB DDR5 @6000MT/s Jan 05 '23
It's "new" sales that are down.
What we are seeing is the 6 year high of Crypto finally ending and the flood of GPUs onto the used market dragging down prices.
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u/MrCleanRed Jan 05 '23
Nvidia AMD does not get money from used hardware. So there's that.
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u/Shajirr Jan 05 '23
Nvidia's solution: 1000+$ cards! Surely increasing the price by 1.5 times will get more people to buy them!
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u/zitterbewegung Jan 05 '23
Yea steam hardware survey now is that the GTX 1660 is the most common card.
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u/th3typh00n Jan 05 '23
Home electronics sales in general are down. It's not something exclusive to GPUs.
People already bought tons of stuff during the pandemic when stuck at home, and now there's a lot of economic uncertainties meaning luxury spending takes a big hit. Combining both those factors and the outcome is obvious.
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u/decidedlysticky23 Jan 05 '23
Electronics retail sales are down 15% since the covid peak. GPU sales are down 42% in the same period. 79% since 2007. Clearly Nvidia and AMD are doing something uniquely stupid.
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u/SinanPasha16 Jan 05 '23
Outside of reddit? The same reddit filled with posts like "Finally upgraded to a 4090 from my old 3070" ? Lol
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u/sephirothbahamut Ryzen 7 5800x | RTX 3070 Noctua | Win10 | Fedora Jan 05 '23
same problem as AAA game companies, Nintendo, Apple...
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u/LUN4T1C-NL Ryzen 7950X / RTX 3080 / Kingston DDR5 32GB Jan 05 '23
Microtransactions come to mind. When the whole controversy about loot boxes started it took quite a while for it to stop. They just focused on what they called Whales. They were bringing in enough profits to offset the loss in game sales. Only when it got really bad publicity wise they stopped.
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u/Blekanly Jan 05 '23
That and countries were looking into the practices and they risked legal consequences
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u/Xanarki Jan 05 '23
Makes me miss the glory days of 3dfx, nVidia, ATI, Matrox, S3, Rendition, PowerVR, 3D Labs, Number Nine, and SiS all battling it out. Sure, compatibility was sometimes a headache, but the competition really kept things in line.
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u/riderer PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
Do dive in to history of nvidia, and you will see where many of these companies disappeared and, most importantly how.
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u/Proseroth 5600X, Sapphire RX 7900XTX, Win10 Jan 05 '23
Nvidia bought em
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u/Explosive-Space-Mod Jan 05 '23
ATI was bought by AMD so it wasn't just Nvidia.
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u/Xeglor-The-Destroyer Jan 05 '23
My memory is that ATI was kind of on shaky ground shortly before that purchase. That was quite a few years ago, though, so I could be mis-remembering.
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u/ViperIXI Jan 06 '23
Not at all.
At the time the rumors started swirling, ATI was just starting to come down from a multi year high. Discrete GPU market share between ATI and Nvidia was basically 50/50.
The first Terrascale cards (2900xt) hurt ATI's position, they were late and not overly competitive at the top end but ATI would have been fine, they had their fingers in a lot of different pies. But this all occured just months before the acquisition was finalized and in the end AMD greatly overpaid for ATI as the purchase price had been negotiated during one of ATIs strongest years.
AMD promptly sold off everything they had just acquired except the core GPU business, probably the most egregious being Imageon which they sold to Qualcomm, who rebranded it to Adreno.
The AMD of the mid to late 2000s was run by imbeciles lol.
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u/spartaman64 Jan 05 '23
i mean amd wasnt in the gpu business before then so its not really the same
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u/riderer PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
nvidia bullied and sued in to bankruptcy a bunch of gpu related tech companies, then bought them. they did that even to the partners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0L3OTZ13Os
Be wary to mention this guy or video on /r/nvidia you will most likely get shadow banned. they wont try to argue the facts in the video, but they will try to ridicule you and the guy who made the video. to make it clear, that guy didnt make up that info, he just summarized it all up in one video from publicly available info.
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u/getgroovyloony PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
Pin this bitch to the top, and that video is definitely shadow banned. I havnt seen any recent comments
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Jan 05 '23
Half this sub is people posting their ridiculous $4000+ designer aesthetically pleasing builds so yeah I think they'll be fine, it's only us poors who will suffer.
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u/Shawn_NYC Jan 05 '23
Just your daily reminder that the most recent steam survey, so few people owned 4080s/4090s that they didn't even rank in the top-60 graphics cards.
This sub is to PC Gaming what the Kardashians are on Instagram - the top 1% completely disconnected from the real world.
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u/Stigona Ryzen 7 3800x | 3070 FTW3 | SFFPC >10L | 1440p 165hz Jan 05 '23
Yeah, it's also content bias of noticing the nice over the average. I can tell you how many McLaren cars I've seen over the last 5 years, but not how many Camry's.
You'll notice the insane $2000 cards and $5000 builds and remember that way better than the $1000 builds with $200 cards.
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u/Shawn_NYC Jan 05 '23
Yep! Nobody posts a picture with 20k upvotes on pcmr of the used 2060 they got for a great deal on ebay lol
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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter Jan 05 '23
PC Gaming is dead if I can't afford literally the cutting edge of graphics
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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Jan 05 '23
Some people here turned me on to the idea of building a rig with a 6700 xt. I feel like that should be adequate to play Stardew Valley.
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u/xtilexx i7-12700 | 16GB DDR5 | 3060 Jan 05 '23
I'm hoping my 3070 plays Runescape well enough
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u/Shawn_NYC Jan 05 '23
Them: I need a 4090 because it's the only card that lets you game at 100fps in 4k!!!
Me: Do you own a 4k monitor?
Them: ... ... >:-(
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u/Leonbacon Jan 05 '23
I think anyone can afford 4090 can definitely afford decent 4K monitor
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u/another-redditor3 Jan 05 '23
dude, atleast get it right.... if i only wanted 100fps at 4k, id still be on my 3090. i grabbed a 4090 because i want 120fps at 4k with rtx on max.
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u/brazilianfreak Jan 05 '23
Selling my kidney to buy a 4090 to play remakes of xbox 360 games on 4k 120 fps in my 1080p 60hz television.
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u/SmashedPotato97 5600G | RTX 3080 | 64GB RAM | 1300W Jan 05 '23
"first build guys what do you think" - proceeds to show the most expensive and high-end computer and setup of all time
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u/dscarmo Jan 05 '23
You can be sure the number of gpus they want to sell is thousands of times more than the number of high upvoted builds in reddit
This is like saying the car market thrives on tuned cars
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u/KingDragonOfficiall Jan 05 '23
This generation was just to make you get a 4090, that's how I see it
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u/C1REX 3950x, x570, 5700xt Jan 05 '23
4090 sold well for a high end but something like 300 000 units it’s still not good enough. GPU sells are in 20y low.
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u/flowermetro Jan 05 '23
I've been holding on to my 1070 for a couple of years. I don't care about super high end graphics. I'm happy playing at 1080p/60fps. I don't gaf about ray tracing.
I've considered getting a new GPU but prices are way too high for what you get. I won't spend $1k to improve on 1080p gaming. I'm waiting for a $500-700 GPU that can play 4K/60 on new games. Maybe the 5060 or 6060 will be able to do that.
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u/Cannasseur___ Jan 06 '23
I looked into building a gaming rig and for something that would be decent and run games at around 1440p at 60FPS I was looking at around more or less $1000, when converted from my local currency.
I just can’t justify that expense when my PS5 does that and cost me $400. Sure my console has other disadvantages compared to that $1000 PC, and the PC has much more overall utility but I’d be using it for gaming, and the PS5 is half that price.
I do think eventually the PC market will plateau as will graphics in general, we aren’t going to go much further than 4K imo so in like 5-10 years maybe we could be looking at rigs that cost around $500 that can do 1440p at 60HZ, barrier to entry is lowering, not low enough for me at the moment even though it’s tempting.
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u/justapcguy Jan 05 '23
Kinda scary where we are heading as consumers for the GPU market.... A monopoly is pretty much occurring with both teams. This is why Intel NEEDS to "step their game" up and compete with the "big boys".
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u/Retardedaspirator I7-9700|RTX 2080 Ti|Z390|32GB DDR4-3200|Pretty bad case Jan 05 '23
They have the occasion to look like saviors, would be pretty good for them to take that chance
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u/DrB00 Jan 05 '23
Wasn't everyone saying this was AMD's chance to be the savior, and well I don't think any further explanation is required lol
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u/Vicaruz Jan 06 '23
What happened with AMD? Last time I was watching this season, it was just as you said, AMD was looking as the good guy. Is he another bad guy now? Who's the good guy? The plot this season makes no sense.
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u/Wheat_Grinder Jan 06 '23
It goes in cycles. None of the teams are the good guys. Some are just desperate enough that they act like it.
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u/CosmicCyrolator Jan 06 '23
One soulless corporation was briefly more appealing than the other, thus making them my friend
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u/Tnunderb01t Jan 05 '23
Yeah, intel ARC right now is actually decent, in that it's only a slight disaster and not a massive one and I expect second gen of ARC to actually be nice.
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I mean its really simple. Stop buying the cards, Its already been happening, the biggest hit is with the 4000 series Nvidia.
Gaming companies only produce games for the most popular type of hardware (hence why most games recommended specs are still 4 core 8 thread from 6 years ago)
They will lose sales, your current stuff will be able to run everything no problem, they suffer, learn and then everything goes back to normal but this will take 2-3 years of losses and all we have done recently is overbuy 3000 series cards giving them their best year ever in terms of proffits.
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u/Reciprocity2209 Jan 05 '23
That “overbuying” of the 3000 series was mostly attributable to miners. This can be seen from the glut of them that appeared on the secondhand market after Ethereum’s transition.
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u/Previous_Tennis Jan 05 '23
People play games on PC perfectly well with a $200 RX6600, or even a GTX 1650, which has the top spot on Steam's Hardware survey. The expensive stuff adds great visual features but game developers want to sell their games so are not designing them for $1000 GPUs-only, or even primarily.
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u/Draiko Jan 05 '23
The expensive GPUs are targeted by devs who want to become proficient with newer and heavier tech. Build a badass game that will run on the 4080 or 4090 now so you can use the same skills, methods, and resources to make multiple badass games for consoles in the future in less time and with more polish.
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u/coolfwip69 Jan 05 '23
Its kinda sad that all industries are headed in this direction. Like no one cares about the consumer or even puts up a front to act like they do anymore. This is happening in a lot more areas than just PC gaming
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u/pcmasterrace32 12600K | RTX 3080 FTW3 ULTRA Jan 05 '23
Alot of this is stemming from a growing collection of consumers who buy brands instead of products.
A lot of low quality products (across a multitude of markets) still sells and consumers eat it up. Walk into any GameStop and its FULL (over 60%) of tacky branded merch along with losers who proudly boast about their collection of this appalling garbage.
Ive even seen guys walk in and buy PS5 controllers, not to use but to COLLECT. This is who the corporations are targeting now. Collectors and losers who buy everything with their favorite brand name on it.
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u/Cunning_Stunts_50 Jan 05 '23
Sort of related, I feel like that's what's happening with magic the gathering as well. Their "30 year anniversary celebration boosters" were $250 a pop. 15 cards and they're non-playable in tournaments and stuff. Basically just official proxy reprints of old rare cards. Like the celebration should have been about the game, not collector bullshit.
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u/LaundryBasketGuy Jan 05 '23
Late stage capitalism is rearing its ugly head.
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u/Kuroiikawa Jan 05 '23
What? Are you trying to imply that extreme profitability is directly at odds with the consumer and worker? Are you saying that a corporation's desire to generate more wealth and capital for shareholders by monetizing everything is creating a worse experience for the people who actually buy products and services?
I don't know, that sounds too radical for me. Maybe you consider how corporations feel when you post hateful messages like that.
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u/CoMMoN_EnEmY01 Jan 05 '23
Yeah I’ll just buy a steam deck
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u/Rumbletastic Jan 05 '23
100% this. Just last night I was marveling how my steam deck was only $500 (for the high-storage versoin). Thing is basically a graphics card with a controller attached, and it performs beautifully and is well worth it. Then, messing with the controls, I realized the joysticks can detect TOUCH (cool feature to allow gyro aiming for shooters but only when finger is touching the joystick).
I feel like there's no way valve isn't taking a loss on it, the hardware is incredible. (but, I suppose most consoles take a loss on hardware that they recover on software).
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u/Celestial-Squid Jan 05 '23
they are taking a loss, but they make it back in customer satisfaction and thus future sales and sales of games on Steam (which they take 30% of all sales)
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u/Blue_Blaze72 Jan 05 '23
Can confirm, went from buying games only when I was going to play them immediately to wishlisting and falling for steam sales. I now have a massive backlog lol.
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u/ImmoralBlueCoral PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
They take the L for the 2 cheaper models, but make a small margin with the 512gb
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u/angryundead Jan 05 '23
It fucking rocks. My desktop went out right around the time mine came in. It’s been fantastically liberating. I am not chained to my desk anymore and I’ve been stomping through games I’ve wanted to play forever. It’s helping a lot to clear my backlog.
I just finished Spider-Man Remastered. I have CP2077, FFXIV, Red Dead Redemption 2, Ace Combat 7, Control, Division, and a ton of other games working well. I’m getting ready to go through Spider-Man: Miles Morales, God of War, Doom Eternal, and Disco Elysium. Other than Doom I’ve never played any of those.
It’s been super liberating to play wherever. Just like my Switch but even better in some respects. I didn’t even cover any of the indy games that work well (Slay the Spire, Vampire Survivors) or any of the emulated games that are just the icing on the cake.
Does it have its downsides? Yes! But as I get older I kind of appreciate the lower resolution screen so everything isn’t as small.
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u/Sigmadelta8 Jan 05 '23
I'm curious how many people actually buy the newest cards. That seems to be their first mistake.
I'll always buy last generation's cards for a steep discount. 6800XT for ~475 is looking pretty nice right about now.
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u/C1REX 3950x, x570, 5700xt Jan 05 '23
Depends of the country. In Europe last gen can be more expensive than the newest cards. It’s silly.
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u/carlbandit i7-6700k 4.5GHz, 2080Ti, 32GB DDR4 3200 CL15 Jan 05 '23
Enough people buy them that they are usually out of stock.
Even if you put some of the stock issues down to scalpers, that just further highlights the demand since there's people willing to pay scalper prices to get their hands on one. Maybe less so with the latest bunch since most are already overpriced, but certainly the last few years.
I bought a 2080Ti shortly after release since I needed a new GPU anyway and it was the best I could get at the time. I usually buy the top available and then use it until it no longer runs at a standard I'm happy with, my GPU before (AMD 7970) I had like 6+ years and only replace with the 2080Ti because I got VR and the 7970 couldn't keep up.
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u/rosspeplow Jan 05 '23
Yep, I was due to upgrade my RTX 2080 this generation, but I refuse to on principle. I can take the family on holiday for the same price.
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u/Atlantikjcx RTX 3060 12gb/ Ryzen 2600x/ 32gb ram 3600mhz Jan 05 '23
I mean tbh the 2080 is in no way a weak card
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u/staxofmax 11900K | 6800XT Jan 05 '23
For real. It's a solid piece of hardware that will let you play at 1440p for years to come. Just dust it and repaste as needed.
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u/The_Best_Dakota Jan 05 '23
I’m still rocking my 1080 and it is awesome. I got a 2060 a year or so ago just for Raytracing Minecraft. I don’t get why people upgrade their cards constantly. I got the 1080 almost 6 years ago and it’s still lovely.
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u/Atlantikjcx RTX 3060 12gb/ Ryzen 2600x/ 32gb ram 3600mhz Jan 05 '23
True my 1060 was working pretty great up until recently when ot was showing signs of dieng then I upgraded to 3060 couldn't be happier great raytracing and more than double the performance
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u/F3AR3DLEGEND Jan 05 '23
My 2070 super is still going strong for everything I play!
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u/AlmanLUL PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
Same, wanted to upgrade my 2060 but after seeing the prices i can wait another few years
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u/XanII Jan 05 '23
I just upgraded to 2060
I can wait another 7-10yrs to upgrade again.
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u/justaboss101 12400F, 3060ti, all the RGB Jan 05 '23
Get a 6750xt, it's great performance and is only around 400$ new.
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u/Tuur0p Jan 05 '23
I'm still not convinced about upgrading from my GTX1070 , these prices are crazy.
My card still works pretty well for most games on 1080p but I would like to buy a 1440p monitor one of these days...
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u/Scrubbing_Bubbles Jan 05 '23
The frick you need to upgrade for?! I am on a 1650 Super and have no problem with any games that I play.
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u/TheThreeBagels R5 5600x, 12GB 3060, 32GB DDR4, Samsung G7 1440p 240hz Jan 05 '23
I wont be upragrading for a while lol. GPU prices just arent what they used to be. soon almost no one is going to be able to play the newest AAA games.
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u/builder397 R5 3600, RX6600, 32 GB RAM@3200Mhz Jan 05 '23
Thatll suck for the AAA games then.
But realistically, AAA game studios generally know what hardware is out there and what people actually HAVE rather than whats technically available, and no sane studio will make system requirements exceed the lowest common denominator of what gamers generally have, if they can at all help it. Because if nobody can run the game, nobody will buy it, and thats generally considered a bad business decision.
And then there is Medal of Honor: Above and Beyond, which when above and beyond in system requirements needing at least a 9700k and a 1070Ti, but still running like a turd on 10700k and 3090 systems. Mind you, this was when Intels 10th gen was still coming out.
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u/Murky-Smoke PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
The fact that you think you need the latest and greatest GPU to play the newest AAA games is telling.
I can play any game at my preferred resolution (1440p) high settings on my 6800, and I'll be able to play any game on my 6800 for years to come.
Get it out of your head that you need the very best the moment it comes out, you'll be better off.
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u/Mosh83 i7 8700k (delidded), Asus 3080 TUF, 16GB RAM Jan 05 '23
Yeah, most often the difference between high and ultra is almost impossible to notice, especially when you factor in movement instead of comparing two static screenshots. Diminishing returns kicks in hard after High.
I am still very happy with my 3080 and reasonable old 8700k.
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u/ubelmann Jan 05 '23
I mean, a 3080 is still (a great and) an expensive GPU and better than what probably 90% of users on Steam have.
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u/Advan0s 5600x | TUF 6800XT | 16GB 3600 CL18 | AW3423DW Jan 05 '23
Or just like don't buy hot new shit the moment it comes out? Last Gen is perfectly fine and cheaper. Maybe they wouldn't do this if things didn't actually sell for those ridiculous prices
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u/KomithEr 5800X | RTX 4080 Jan 05 '23
yeah and everyone already started to buy 30 series months ago, which is what nvidia wanted, getting rid of the old stock first, but in turn that makes the 30 series more and more expensive again, we can't win
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u/Dukisjones Jan 05 '23
This is dumb. You can play any PC game on something other than a $1000 GPU
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u/Iheartbaconz Jan 05 '23
A lot of what people are complaining about is the entire stack of a gen of cards has shifted up price wise. What used to be a $200-300 dollar mid range card is closer to $700 new depending on the brand. Those mid range cards are what usually showed up on hardware surveys as top % of cards.
These companies made so much money shifting the prices sky high to the crypto boom and stimulas money going out. People that were fortunate enough to stil be working early pandemic all had extra cash to burn more than likely splurged, I was one of them.
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u/CoolEthansLLR Jan 05 '23
Seriously. Pretty sure these don't magically make the 3060ti no longer viable, unless theres a Crisis reboot around the corner.
Not everyone needs 4k 120hz.
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u/blackskyel Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Oh, elite gamers are suffering the consequence of their own behaviour. You know, someone had paid a lot of over 1k for a GPU and then you fix that price as right but the same one now complains. Everyone was telling not to buy at that price because you are going to mess with the market, but hey! You had to had the top of the line to brag about it. The same will happen with games between 70 and 90.
Edit: it slips that english is not my mother language
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u/darknetwork Jan 05 '23
I was surprised when people still buy PS5 and GPU from scalper during pandemic. So i guess it's the way now.
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u/MASTODON_ROCKS Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
I would argue crypto miners had a much bigger part in driving GPU prices up than average consumers ever did, The longer we willfully ignore The fact that people were willing to pay those prices because they justified it with the profit of crypto, the more we're normalizing these prices.
Less than 10 years ago you could buy a 70 series card for under $300. Fuck Nvidia, fuck AMD, I'll sit on my current hardware till they bite the bullet and drop their prices back to sanity levels for the average consumer.
Inflation is hitting everyone really hard right now, people have less money to spend on frivolous things like graphics cards because they have to buy food and pay far out the ass for other necessities
Team redgreen are seeing what they can get away with right now
Other computer hardware hasn't been hit by this pricing insanity, there's very little supply chain justification for their current pricing and the real issue at hand is only corporate greed
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u/Rumpullpus Glorious PC Gaming Master Race Jan 05 '23
lol only morons are mining rn the way the market is going.
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u/WalkerIGP i9-10850K | RTX 3070Ti | 3TB M2 | 32GB DDR4 4000 Mhz Jan 05 '23
A good point to make. Somehow other PC parts are not seeing these insane prices, so it is clear GPU companies are just milking consumers.
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u/Anoscetia Jan 05 '23
The same will happen with games between 70 and 90.
Kinda. But I simply ignore any and all games priced over 60 bucks unless they go into sale and are significantly discounted (No, Activision, going from 70 to 50 during a sale isn't enough, especially after 5+ years of a game being out).
The last game I bought at full price was over a full year ago, and I even regret it, though it was "only" 50. From here on out, I exclusively buy in sales.
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u/KookyBone Jan 05 '23
Only SOME people bought it - let's say 10% - i personally don't know one person who bought a GPU over 400€ and is stuck with it since years... So about 80-90% are still waiting and if you believe recent news articles the GPU market is now the worst since over 10 years... Normally prices would fall - BUT Nvidia seems to artificially limit the stock so the prices stay high! Don't fall for it... Just wait, the time will come they have to come back to reality
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u/builder397 R5 3600, RX6600, 32 GB RAM@3200Mhz Jan 05 '23
I mean, it makes sense. The ones with the most disposable income WILL go for the high tier cards and will buy the newest gen much more often than people with less disposable income. Its a smooth gradient, too. People with 80 and 70 tier cards wont by new as much as 90 tier people, and then there is people like me who are in the 60 tier and I just recently jumped from a 1060 3GB to a RX 6600 because it was discounted to 269€ (and frankly I felt a little scammed by that 3GB version). I know, its a jump of "just" 2 1/2 gens, but before that I had a GTX 570, and before that a 9800 GT eco, so you can guess how long I normally sit on GPUs.
So it makes sense that Nvidia and AMD milk the shit out of their upper segment, and only later trickle out the budget cards. Its still a dick move though, but AMD at least isnt quite as insane and drops prices on older generations.
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u/RGBtard Ryzen Jan 05 '23
I mean, it makes sense. The ones with the most disposable income WILL go for the high tier cards and will buy the newest gen much more often than people with less disposable incom
Steam survey proves your claim as true.
The best selling card before christmas was the GTX 1650 according to Steam.
xx60 and lower class cards have a combined market share of ~50 percent.
xx80 and higher class cards have a combined market share of ~5 percent.
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u/serose04 Jan 05 '23
I'm not afraid at all.
GPUs are expensive > people don't buy them or buy lower tier models > devs makes less HW intense games, because people don't have HW to run high demand games > need for new GPUs drops > with lower demand comes lower prices
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u/listenheredammit EVGA 3080 FTW3 ULTRA [ I7-13700k Jan 05 '23
Just eyeballing my Evga 3080 like a kid on Christmas. So glad I got my baby before this shit show.
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u/BlindSquantch Ryzen 5900X + AMD Radeon 6950 XT Jan 05 '23
Was sad when they announced the 7000 series 5 months after I got my 6950XT, but I’m not very sad anymore. Hopefully the next Gen of launches learn from these mistakes or the refresh models that will launch sometime late this year fix the issues these have. I won’t be upgrading till I see something come out without a glaring defect at launch. It’s almost like they didn’t test any of the product before release.
Edit: not that I need to upgrade anytime soon, just a general statement.
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u/No-Artichoke-6333 Jan 05 '23
This is why I ended up just buying a PS5. somehow that was the best deal lol
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u/zeehkaev Jan 05 '23
For me at least who really plays and emulates a plethora of old stuff, and well let's just say I enjoy jack sparrow life style, a console is still a no no. (Before you judge me, I live in a third world country and each release games costs half a wage)
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u/relxp 3700X / 3070 FE Jan 05 '23
And TBF the new consoles are very good. Not like the old days when PC was way better.
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u/johnfreemansbrother 11 \ 7700X \ 6800 XT \ IBM Model M keyboard Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Hard agree, and I think this opinion will age well as we transition out of the cross-gen era because the latest consoles (aside from Series S) are well-rounded. Sony and MS did a phenomenal job balancing performance, launch timing, and value this gen, especially compared to last gen. The Xbox One / PS4 were awfully unbalanced in terms of CPU vs. GPU compute performance, and their CPUs in particular were insanely outdated and underpowered before they even launched. The PS5/XB Series consoles launched without truly bleeding edge tech (except for Sony's direct storage and SSD implementation), however, they delivered solidly balanced CPU/GPU combos with performance in line with mid-tier enthusiast hardware circa 2020. I'm hopeful console players (and indirectly, PC gamers) will reap the benefits of the better balance of CPU/GPU in the PS5 and Series X once developers can finally put a bullet between the eyes of XB One/PS4 ports. The Series S's "meh" GPU concerns me somewhat, but developers should be able to scale graphics more readily than core engine features requiring a competent CPU.
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u/ChefCobra Jan 05 '23
I bought myself prebuilt pc with 3070 about half a year ago, before GPUs started to be available. Got a decent machine for the money a specially considering the prices of GPUs back then.
Let me say just this: I upgraded from 1060 on Launch to 3070. It will be a very very long time until I will upgrade again. A specially with prices like this.
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u/ShredGuru 5800X3D/5700XT/Kingston 3000 1TB NVME Gen 4/ 80 Gigs Ram/ Ect... Jan 05 '23
Then there is Valve getting all those gamers to abandon their desktops.
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u/8myself Desktop r5 5600x GTX 1060 6gb 16gb Jan 05 '23
i aint buying shit till my 1060 breaks down
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u/Trenteth Jan 05 '23
Yep which drives console sales. AMD wins. Nvidia is killing their own business.
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u/From-UoM Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Nvidia makes the Switch hardware. Which is going to be 3rd best selling console of all time in a few months
Edit - well nvm. It just surpassed the gameboy and is now the 3rd best selling console of all time
https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-game-boy-worldwide-sales/
Ps2 - 155 million
Nintendo DS - 154 million
Switch - 118.99 million
At this point i wont be suprised if it does become the best selling console of all time.
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u/KookyBone Jan 05 '23
BUT console margins are very slim AND pc-gaming was the main driver for GPU development and still is - so by killing the pc-gaming market with overpriced GPUs it would hurt both
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u/studentoo925 Jan 05 '23
Console margins are pretty slim for CONSOLE manufacturers, but not for component manufacturers. Those guys don't care, they just offer sony/ms bulk prices
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u/xZethx Jan 05 '23
Actually they did loss $38 million on the console deal Link. These deals last for a decade+ so they have gave Xbox/PS a discount on the chips making them unprofitable knowing they'll become cheaper as they age. It is not unusual for a company to loss money on a deal when they know it'll be profitable in the future.
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u/PalpitationNo4375 Jan 05 '23
It might be slim for Sony and Microsoft, but they are still paying AMD and making that difference back and then some with software sales
I'm sure the story is the same for Nintendo and the Tegra chip.
These consoles can sell tens of millions easily. And they don't have much of a choice of who to go to for their chips. Hell up until the Switch the option was pretty much just AMD. If AMD doesn't have to compete to be a customer of Microsoft and Sony, they will walk away with a decent chunk of change. Both those guys have shown time and time again they are happy to lose money on hardware costs
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u/FlashWayneArrow02 3070 | 5 3600 | 16gb@3600MHz Jan 05 '23
Or just… don’t buy the new and hot shit?
Last Gen products are offering similar price to performance. There’s no benefit of going next Gen as of right now, unless you have $850+ weighing your wallet down.
Buying second hand also means no direct revenue to Nvidia and AMD.
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u/damir_h Jan 05 '23
Having bought an rx 6800 recently for 570€, I feel I dodged a bullet here.
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u/AyeSocketFucker Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23
Yeah I think I’m gonna buy a steam deck and buy a pc with a low end gpu for virtualizations and labs. Probably cheaper that way. Just worried about the compatibility for the Steam deck, wanted to play ffxiv online
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u/maxtrix7 Retro Sage Jan 05 '23
Why you need to play with high end graphics, there are so many great games now r/patientgamers is the best place
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u/rasmusdf Jan 05 '23
Who really cares. For $200 you can buy a RX 6600 which is a great card and covers a main stream gamers needs.
R5600 + RX 6600 - and you are ready to go.
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u/MelloIntentions PC Master Race Jan 05 '23
And here I was hoping that Intel entering the market would make those two clowns drop their prices from increased competition!
Maybe one day.
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u/KookyBone Jan 05 '23
A lot of people hoped the same, too - especially after they made the statement that they will price their cards in the price tiers of their slowest running games on LTT... But this surely didn't came true.
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u/PrashanthDoshi Jan 05 '23
yep lol official will have to move to console gaming come ps6
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u/whyyoutube Ryzen 7 5700G | RTX 3070 TI | 16 GB DDR4 @ 3200 MHz Jan 05 '23
Sure, if the supply isn't like the PS5 lol
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u/Moscato359 Jan 05 '23
TSMC raised their prices by 30% in the last 2 years, and removed all volume discounts
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u/C1REX 3950x, x570, 5700xt Jan 05 '23
Shipping costs, energy, materials for coolers. All at all time high. With current economic situation I don’t see old prices coming back. Heck, even consoles went up in price. I’ve never seen it before.
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u/Proseroth 5600X, Sapphire RX 7900XTX, Win10 Jan 05 '23
AMD and Nvidia secretly pushing Console business