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I will die on the hill that is firefox
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u/Oman395 PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
Firefox is the last bastion we have against chromium
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Chromiumunism*
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u/The_Smashor Jan 18 '23
You mean Chrometilism. Chrome's issue are all Capitalism-based.
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u/willthewill79 Jan 18 '23
Popcorn 🍿
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u/cow_mmmman Jan 18 '23
I'll have some of that
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u/drfusterenstein getting there Jan 18 '23
our popcorn compiled from the kernel
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u/malzergski PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
What version?
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u/drfusterenstein getting there Jan 18 '23
Latest lts for stability
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u/KangarooKurt 5600 | 6600M | 32GB 3200MHz Jan 18 '23
I'm in for compiling the beta git version for a bleeding edge experience
Also, some butterfs on top :)
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u/pm0me0yiff Jan 18 '23
Ironically, Firefox is actually the more communist one. Open source software has a lot in common with anarcho-communism.
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u/superiority Jan 18 '23
Chromium (but not Chrome) is open source. That's why all these other browsers can use it as their base.
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u/pl9u6t Jan 18 '23
doesn't it seem odd that these companies sank millions across decades into research and development only to throw it all away for a skin on top of an engine made by the worlds largest advertising firm?
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u/Cptpotatoface Jan 18 '23
Browser engines are expensive to make and time consuming so no wonder everyone just use a open source engine
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u/firehawk400 Jan 18 '23
You will not die alone
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u/Spirit_of_Hogwash Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
Firefox as browser, Edge as PDF reader (i.e. as alternative to adobe reader).
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u/SolarFlame5 Jan 18 '23
SumatraPDF is much nicer to use in my opinion.
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u/Mata34dev Jan 18 '23
Unpopular opinion: I used to love it because it opens instantly and uses almost non resources, but it does not support high refresh rate scrolling
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u/Swaggo420Ballz Jan 18 '23
Just also use Firefox as your PDF reader
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u/Spirit_of_Hogwash Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
I have too many open tabs for that.
That's why I use Edge for pdfs as alternative to adobe reader.
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u/YoRHa2B_ Jan 18 '23
I used to have Google Chrome as my main browser but I switched to Firefox several weeks ago and haven't gone back. Long live Firefox
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u/babygrenade Jan 18 '23
Switching to Firefox on my PC was good but switching on my phone was better.
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u/Mugundank i7 12th gen RTX 3060 Jan 18 '23
Adblockers on mobile I'm in, I've been using firefox since the day i knew there are extension on Mobile.
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u/Im_ready_hbu Jan 18 '23
Same here. Swapped my PC and phone over to Firefox about 3 months ago, and it's been great overall but the huge quality of life upgrade is being able to stream NBA/NFL games on mobile with AdBlock extensions for Firefox 👌
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u/TayAustin Ryzen 5 5600 Radeon RX 6600 16GB DDR4-3000 Jan 18 '23
Kind of a shame they stopped letting you use any desktop extention on the mobile version but at the same time it was to improve stability.
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u/EndlessFluff i5 4690k, 16GB Corsair Dominator, MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X Jan 18 '23
This is why you use a fork. Iceraven or Fennec for example bring back add-ons and other features Mozilla removed from FF for Android.
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u/MasterRedFrost i7-6700K, RX 480 8GB, 32GB DDR4 Jan 18 '23
Please spread the good word to all other chromers. And welcome to the fold!
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u/Neckbeard_Commander Jan 18 '23
I never stopped using Firefox.
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u/jojlo Jan 18 '23
I've been using it since netscape.
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u/Dr_Insano_MD Jan 18 '23
Got me beat. I've been using it since it was just "Mozilla"
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u/Kweefus Jan 18 '23
I only recently learned that it stopped being the popular "techie" browser.
I genuinely didnt realize that people had gotten all about chrome for so long.
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u/just_another_scumbag Jan 18 '23
Firefox was the techie browser because ie6/7/8/9 etc had no or shitty debug tools. Firefox led the way in this. Then Chrome took this idea and made (and continue to make) some incredibly good develop tooling (including IE simulation), so lots of developers switched.
There are a few other reasons such as sticking to standards but they managed to corner the market pretty good for a while.
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u/StillPracticingLife Jan 18 '23
Firefox til I die! gonna get that tattooed on my forehead for it is the truth
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u/Academic_Nectarine94 Jan 18 '23
Yes. I LOVE it. No ads, thumbs down counter for yt. Just as fast, and no Bing trash every 2 seconds. And you can turn off all the news junk too!
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u/Bigbuster153 R7 5800h RTX 3060 32gb ddr4 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
I use Firefox but refuse to recommend it until tab groups become a thing. edit: i have tried a few tab group extensions and find that they all have some kind of fatal flaw that stops me from being able to use them as a good substitute for chome's option. the best substitute for me is currently multi account containers, although I don't like how long it takes to switch between containers and that the tabs have to reload whenever the containers are shown.
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u/Sparon46 Celeron N2807 | Intel HD Graphics | 8GB 1333Mhz Jan 18 '23
As someone who despises tab groups with a passion, I respect your position.
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u/Bigbuster153 R7 5800h RTX 3060 32gb ddr4 Jan 18 '23
Why is that?
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Because the universe doesn't revolve around my preferences.
Due to the relativity of motion, I could make an argument that the universe revolves around me physically, but my preferences do not have so strong of an argument.
More options = more better.
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u/Bigbuster153 R7 5800h RTX 3060 32gb ddr4 Jan 18 '23
I meant to say why don’t you like it?
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u/Sparon46 Celeron N2807 | Intel HD Graphics | 8GB 1333Mhz Jan 18 '23
Because clicking once takes half as long as clicking twice. If you can keep the tabs organized mentally, it is the faster approach.
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u/Bigbuster153 R7 5800h RTX 3060 32gb ddr4 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
In a typical day I keep about 5 tabs open for uni and 3 for entertainment, along with a couple of miscellaneous tabs. All of those tabs don’t fit properly onto my laptop screen, so tab groups condense them for when I’m not using them. It saves screen space and helps me organise my tabs.
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u/Able-Interaction-742 Jan 18 '23
I open a second window and divide my tabs that way. I honestly don't know what tab groups are, but from my limited understanding I'm not a fan either. Sounds messy, but I may be misunderstanding which is totally possible.
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u/FUTURE10S Pentium G3258, RTX 3080 12GB, 32GB RAM Jan 18 '23
Shit, I just scroll through all of them. Fuck organization.
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u/Bergauk i5 4690k|Saphire R9 390 Nitro|32GB DDR3 1866|4TB|500GB SSD Jan 18 '23
8 tabs don't fit on your screen??? Do you have a netbook from 2008?
I regularly have 15-30 tabs open at any given time and people look at my like I'm insane. But it just works.
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u/UnspokenOwl3D Ascending Peasant Jan 18 '23
I never thought about it, but technically the universe around you is unique to you and no one else.
Your observable universe based on possible light that could reach you (spherical radius away) is based generally only around you, from your perspective.
So everyone kind of has their own unique universe, or at least the observable is technically unique for each human. Seems right
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u/Fcktbckt Jan 18 '23
What are tab groups
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u/Sparon46 Celeron N2807 | Intel HD Graphics | 8GB 1333Mhz Jan 18 '23
Literally groups of tabs. So rather than having each tab in its own separate menu slot, there are many tabs contained within one slot.
It can help organize large quantities of tabs, but it also requires 2 clicks instead of 1 to get to the page you want.
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u/Bromm18 Jan 18 '23
Not sure why that would be any better than just bookmarking the url and keeping the bookmark folder organized.
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u/Sparon46 Celeron N2807 | Intel HD Graphics | 8GB 1333Mhz Jan 18 '23
Bookmarks are more long-term. These you wouldn't have to delete an entry after you are done with them.
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u/toumei64 R7 3700X | RTX 2070 Super | 32GB DDR4 3600 Jan 18 '23
I thought this, then I realized that my tab groups are where tabs just go to die after awhile when I forget about them or have moved on
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u/GimpyGeek PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
There's multiple extensions to do that, not sure how good any are, though
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u/bstowers Jan 18 '23
I look at them every year or so hoping someone made a nice one, but I never like any of them and so continue to not switch back to Firefox.
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u/OnlysayswhatIwant Jan 18 '23
I switched to Firefox recently assuming that all the functions I'm used to would at least have extensions available to patch up those areas where Firefox didn't have them by default. Very few of them do, turns out. The biggest one I miss is opening tabs muted by default.
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u/Nomnom_Chicken 5800X3D/6800XT/32 GB/Windows 11/3440x1440@165 Hz Jan 18 '23
Going to Firefox from Opera wasn't exactly fun, Firefox lacks surprisingly lot of stuff I took for granted, apparently. It also feels a lot clunkier to use, but guess that's the way Firefox just is. I still don't see Firefox on a pedestal like many others here seem to; too much hype for what it really is. Decent browser, but not as good as people make it out to be, at least not in my experience.
Adblock so far has worked similarly as it did with Opera, but that may change whenever the big change in Chromium happens.
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u/deathschemist EVGA GTX 960, AMD fx-6300, 16GB DDR3 Jan 18 '23
Oh aye Firefox isn't perfect, but it's either that or chromium at this point
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u/Ruby437 Jan 18 '23
Tab groups are a poor solution for chromes lack of support for trees. With Firefox you can grab treestyletab and build a whole hierarchy of tabs.
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u/Synergiance Jan 18 '23
Funny story. Firefox used to have tab group support a long time ago, but it got removed I guess due to lack of usage.
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u/ilikepizza1275 i7-3770 | RX 6400 | 24GB DDR3-1600 Jan 18 '23
I use Firefox for everything except at school since we only have the choice between Chrome and Edge.
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u/MusicHearted Core i7 8700k-ASUS GTX 1080 Turbo-16gb DDR4-2666 Jan 18 '23
A great alternative to Chrome is still no match for Firefox.
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u/Individual_Hearing_3 Jan 18 '23
I love edge, it downloads Firefox
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u/flexsealed1711 PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
"There's no reason to download a new web browser. Microsoft recommends using Microsoft Edge for a fast, secure, and modern web experience that can help save you time and money."
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u/swashbuckler2020 Jan 18 '23
i would so leave the creepy-uncle windows ecosystem in favor of linux if they didn't have such a stranglehold on games
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u/Simoxs7 Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
Well I somewhat converted to Linux through the SteamDeck, but I still have a windows Desktop for those few unsupported games and multiplayer games…
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u/pm0me0yiff Jan 18 '23
At this point, Microsoft only has a stranglehold on big multiplayer online games that require invasive anticheat.
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u/Ness_Stan Jan 18 '23
That's disappearing quickly, I give it two years and it'll be gone. Desktop Linux is amazing if you know what to look for. Garuda Linux has an out of the box great gaming distro
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u/Liamjm13 Jan 18 '23
You're using their os and you think they need a browser to get your information?
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u/siddharth904 PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
Microsoft makes you pay for a spyware and/or malware OS to make you save money
How generous
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u/Eolo_Windsleigh Jan 18 '23
winget install firefox
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u/Ruvaakdein PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
Please don't make poor edge even more useless, I already feel bad about it.
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u/Brotorious420 Jan 17 '23
Nice try, Microsoft
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u/rxforyour7 Jan 18 '23
OP's real name is Soft... Michael Soft
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u/hautdoge Jan 18 '23
Mike Rowsoft
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u/Penziplays Ryzen 2700X | Aorus RTX 2070 | 16 GB 3000 mhz | X470 Gaming 7 Jan 18 '23
Michaelsoft Binbows ;)
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u/Gonokhakus Jan 18 '23
"great alternative to Chrome" Bich you're built on Chromium
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u/Ammysnatcher 9600K@4.8GHz@1.35v|RTX2060|16GB 3200MHz|Asus Prime Z390 Jan 17 '23
I use edge for work and it’s fine. Microsoft just needs to chill and understand that pc users don’t like when they’re intrusive
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u/mcieslinski Laptop - Ryzen 5900HX | RTX 3080 | 32 GB RAM Jan 18 '23
Or when they drop shopping plugins (and other "features") into your browser that pop up automatically and bother you about things.
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u/PezzoGuy Jan 18 '23
I know it's all down to preference but those shopping plugins have been useful enough times that I keep them around, for what it's worth.
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u/TechGoat Jan 18 '23
It is true. It's like a built in honey. I don't tend to use browser extensions unless they're absolutely essential, so having shopping built in, in my tertiary browser (I'm Firefox first, Brave second, Edge third) is useful. I normally open a shopping page from Firefox into edge once before actually buying something, just to see what the deal-checking function of Edge finds for coupons.
It's not seamless, but I don't mind the extra 30 seconds of work that it takes, to keep my preferred browser unsullied by tracking extensions.
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u/Qudix R7 3700X | MSi 980Ti Jan 18 '23
Pretty much. One reason I switched to Firefox was because they wouldn't stop asking me to "update my settings" an accept Bing as my lord and savior.
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u/Jerrymemes101 Jan 18 '23
I also you it for work but that's only because I can get like 5 dollars a month for free.
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u/anevilsnail22 Jan 18 '23
I like Edge, but the bullshit they throw in is really annoying. Not being able to switchy your new tab page from what is effectively a giant set of advertisements from Microsoft is really annoying. A lot of the articles they link that aren't literally just advertisements are also annoying culture war things meant to make people angry for clicks.
And if you ever reset, then you're searching with Bing until you set all your search engines again, because it of course doesn't sync that feature. OH, and Edge is constantly running in the background by default if you don't go in and disable that option, IIRC.
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u/DominusDraco PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
What? You can turn that off, its the cog on the top right of the new tab page, just change the layout, and turn off promoted links and content.
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Use Firefox.
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u/laterondamenjay Desktop Jan 17 '23
The response to any web browser related post on this sub should always be “use Firefox” lol
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u/GrandJuif R9 5950x, RX 6900 XT, 64GB 3400MHz Jan 17 '23
Add gravy plus fries for a poutine and I'm in... or you'll be.
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You know edge uses chromium right?
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u/GhengopelALPHA i7 - 32GB DDR5 - RTX 3060 Ti Jan 18 '23
That's what I was about to come here and say, I feel like everyone is overlooking that major fact.
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u/Mathisbuilder75 PC Master Race Jan 18 '23
And yet it is still better and faster than Chrome
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u/rolloutTheTrash Ryzen 7 3700X | 80GB DDR4 | RTX 2070s Jan 18 '23
I mean Edge is Chromium based, like Opera, and many other browsers. The only one not Chromium is Firefox.
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u/Agitated-Quiet-9175 Jan 18 '23
Yall freaking missing the point. That's insane the how low the comprehension is here. Opera/chrome dont get shitfaced like edge is, even though they are practically identical.
People circlejerk about edge because evil Microsoft.
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u/YoungIdiot05 Jan 18 '23
I love my bing boints 😔☝️
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u/OrionRBR 5800x | X470 Gaming Plus | 16GB TridentZ | PCYes RTX 3070 Jan 18 '23
Me who just uses a powerautomate script to farm them.
Gotta love using a Microsoft tool to farm Microsoft points.
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u/Chinis_Flouwa RTX 3060:Ryzen 7 3700x:16gb ddr4 Ram:1tb NVME ssd Jan 18 '23
please teach me your ways
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u/verschee R5 1600AF | GTX 980 Ti Jan 18 '23
Search GitHub for "Bing points" there is a ton of scripts out there, not just using PowerAutomate
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u/Voliker Jan 18 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
I mean - edge is surprisingly ok as a browser to be honest. I often think about switching to it.
It's just a lot about internet explorer image that kills edge competition chances.
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u/vrtigo1 Jan 18 '23
Modern edge is way better since it's Chromium based, it's very, very similar to Chrome.
For business stuff it's extra nice because if you have an Office 365 account it syncs all your bookmarks, history, passwords, etc. to there and integrated seamlessly with your other MS services.
I just wish they would turn off the goddamn "coupon finder" BS. If I want to see coupons, I'll download an add-on.
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u/pallentx Jan 18 '23
Yep, having a separate work and personal profile is really nice.
In settings, go to Privacy, Search and Services. Scroll down to services and you can turn off the shopping stuff and other services.
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u/Icybubba Ryzen 5 3600 | RX 5700 XT | 16GB DDR4-3000 Jan 18 '23
All that kind of stuff can be turned off
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u/TZMarketing Jan 18 '23
I switched over and never looked back. Terrific for work/productivity, a LOT less ram usage
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u/SandwichesANDMilk_ 13600k RTX 3060TI FE 32gb DDR4, collector of old & slow Jan 18 '23
I proudly use firefox and edge. firefox I use as my primary, that's what I do everything on. however, I use edge for schoolwork. Most online school tools don't like firefox from my experience plus the built in shockingly robust math and other schoolwork help features is really nice. I timed all browsers and found firefox was first and edge was close second and uses about the same amount of ram. Both are great browsers, firefox is my favorite but edge works and works well.
as long as it's not google chrome it's fine.
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u/obj_Obj 6650xt│ Linux│KDE Jan 18 '23
Just spoof your user agent and the sites will work fine
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u/UraniumRocker Jan 18 '23
I think edge is alright, I’ve tried different browsers, and they all do the same thing. I honestly can’t tell if one is better than another.
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u/mojamc Jan 18 '23
Edge over chrome. If youre into streaming movies youd know why.
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u/Plumasite Jan 18 '23
The main reason I switched to Edge is because you aren’t limited to 720p on Netflix like you are on other browsers. Edge has its bloat and unnecessary features, but it’s basically just Chrome + built-in higher quality streaming capabilities. And, at least when I switched over to it, it was scoring quite a bit better on benchmark tests than Chrome was.
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u/iurigregorio Ryzen 7 5800x3D : 3060 Ti : 32Gb DDR4 : 144Hz 1080p Jan 18 '23
Use streamio with torrentio plugin, it has everything from 4k to 360p
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 Jan 18 '23
Edge is much better than it used to be. After being forced to use it at work due to policy restrictions, I started to come around to it. It’s similar in performance to chrome due to using chromium now, and the interface has some nice like features.
I still use firefox or chrome when at home for now, but next time I do a reinstall I might just use Edge.
Yea it sucked when it first came out, but now, it’s good.
Is there something I’m missing for why to hate Edge on 2023?
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u/aWh1TeDuD3 i7-8700k | RTX 3070 | 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz Jan 18 '23
Controversial opinion: I actually like Edge. Chromium-based and provides same functionality without requiring separate download.
The only 2 downsides (imo) are: needing to manually turn off the flags that pester you when Bing isn't set as the default search engine for the browser (quick setting change), and Microsoft not giving the option to remove their proprietary browser on their operating systems.
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u/MyestroTS Jan 18 '23
I actually switched to Edge from Chrome because I was having issues with Chrome. Honestly besides the “bing search” everything else is identical and works just as well, if not better. Been using it daily now surprisingly.
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u/JareDamnn Jan 18 '23
You know you can change it to search on google, after I figured that out I was golden
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u/homeape Jan 18 '23
that's part of the issue, actually. it's just another chromium browser. competition in browser engines is good to keep the web open and standardised. webkit and gecko are the only notable competition to chromium
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u/red__dragon Jan 18 '23
And Chrome/chromium's Blink engine is derived from Webkit. Chrome is a KHTML/Webkit family browser along with Safari.
The only real distinction is Mozilla's Gecko engine.
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u/veralisk Jan 17 '23
You've got that backwards, then everything else is a great alternative to chrome
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u/danielsvdas r5 3600 | 1660 | 6,5tb | and a shitty psu Jan 18 '23
I mean, tbh, you kinda need a browser pre installed in your PC so you can download other stuff, that includes a different browser
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u/Lysrac Jan 18 '23
cURL has entered the chat
(Looks up cURL command in browser)
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u/screenslaver5963 CoreI7-11700, GTX 3070, 16gb ram, 4.5tb* storage Jan 18 '23
I wanna see the average user try and use curl
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u/The_Quackle Jan 18 '23
I wonder how many people hate on Edge without knowing why. I dont even remember how many years ago it was that internet explorer was a thing but I vividly remember how awful it was.
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u/jerianbos Jan 18 '23
Most people hate it, just because Microsoft keeps pushing it down people's throats, never skipping an occasion to tell you how big of a mistake you are making for not using the "microsoft recommended browser". They also deliberately ignore your default browser and just open everything they can in edge and they went through great lengths in w11 to make sure people can't use programs like edge deflector anymore. And the uncloseable slideshow telling you about edges latest features every few windows updates is a cherry on top.
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u/bagston Nobara 37 | i3-12100F | B660 DS3H DDR4 | 1050ti MINI Jan 18 '23 •
Firefox + Ublock Origin is undefeated until the dawn of time.