Don’t make me laugh

[u/Aggravating_Ad_3962]

[u/Devilnutz2651]

What the fuck are they smoking over at Nvidia?

[u/TuxidoFrog → u/Devilnutz2651]

No idea but whatever it is they roll it in $100 bills.

[u/SyCoTiM → u/TuxidoFrog]

Those bills will run out quick if they keep overpricing these GPUs.

[u/Icy-Magician1089 → u/[deleted]]

When they do people go for the weaker nivida option.

The Rx 6600 is very close to a 3060 and yet people buy the rtx 3050 for more money than the Rx 6600.

[u/Blinkdawg15 → u/Icy-Magician1089]

Some people literally just block any mention of AMD selling GPUs from their brain. They flatly do not consider AMD an option. Because "AMD bad."

[u/morbyxxx → u/Blinkdawg15]

I recently had that view. I tried amd years back even for processors, buggy to poor. I was convinced recently to use ryzen and i like it. Next gpu upgrade wont be nvidea.

[u/Druark → u/Blinkdawg15]

To be fair, its not just stubbornness for many people. AMD GPUs, drivers and supporting software historically have been bad. It's recently started turning around but most people won't risk another bad experience with such an expensive product as a GPU.

[u/HawksNStuff → u/Druark]

Let's not pretend their GPU business has caught up to their CPU lines. They aren't pushing Nvidia, as long as Nvidia has the clear cut best top of the line card, people will carry that perception down the line, true or not.

Someone needs to push them up top. AMD cpus we're pretty good in the mid to low range well before Ryzen. Nobody cared because Intel ruled everything at the top. It wasn't until Ryzen challenged the I7 and I9 that they took serious market share.

[u/NWiHeretic → u/[deleted]]

As long as people keep bitching but continue buying and using Nvidia cards, nothing will change.

[u/Nekzar → u/[deleted]]

How is AMD not challenging them? I just bought a 6700 XT because it's such an obvious better deal than anything Nvidia offers.

[u/Brief_Research9440 → u/Nekzar]

Yup same here, for 1080p i couldnt pass on the 6700xt either. Nvidias tax was way too much and after a week i gotta say im rly pleased with the 6700xt. Cya in 2 years crazy gpu market!

[u/yourgentderk → u/Brief_Research9440]

We said that two years ago too

[u/FartOfTheFurious → u/yourgentderk]

And we'll say it again 2 years later

^{crying in a corner}

[u/Urbs97 → u/Brief_Research9440]

Wasn't sure if I would regret getting the 6750 XT some months ago. Thankfully I don't.

[u/Oscarcharliezulu → u/Urbs97]

Good purchase - right now the rx6600xt and up are all the best value on the market.

[u/Friendly-Ad-570 → u/Brief_Research9440]

I’m looking at getting a 6650 xt am I really goi to notice not springing for the 6700xt

[u/Pimpinabox → u/Friendly-Ad-570]

Depends on what prices you're looking at as well as what your setup and use case is tbh. If they're close in price, just go for the 6700xt, even at 80 bucks more it's well worth it if you have the extra money. If they're more than 120 apart, or you only play esports/indie titles on 1080p then don't bother. It's not like the 6650xt is a slouch, it's just not as nice. Also if you meant the 6700 (non xt) their performance is much closer together and I wouldn't pay much more for the 6700.

[u/tman152 → u/Nekzar]

In the gaming space AMD is somewhat competitive, but in the creative space Nvidia is practically a monopoly.

I was considering an AMD card for my new build, but when I found out that most of Adobe’s gpu accelerated features work better and faster in CUDA than they do in OpenCL and that most of the AI art generating projects are also more likely to be made with Nvidia GPUs in mind, I had to rule AMD out of my purchasing decision.

[u/JSoi → u/Nekzar]

Agreed. The 7900 XTX is 300€ cheaper than RTX 4080 and 1000€ cheaper than RTX 4090. Seems like a no-brainer to me, even though RT performance is not as good on AMD.

[u/dnap123 → u/JSoi]

I have a 3070TI and I can say, ray tracing performance isnt even good on nvidia... If you're cool with FPS below 30 then yea have a great time. But I will prob wait another gen or 2 before I buy back into this ray tracing shenanegans

[u/Spicy_Kimchi69 → u/dnap123]

Yup. People buying cards because of rt right now are fools. The 4090 struggles on the first unreal 5 game fortnite with max settings on everything. The next games coming in that engine are going to be more intensive. People should be looking at the games they actually play and see which card performs better since there are games that favor one over the other. It’ll be next gen or the gen after before rt doesn’t pull down to bullshit fps for however much the card is. Imagine paying $1600+ to get under 60fps on fortnite bc you want rt or whatever it gets on that two year old game cyberpunk.

[u/Carr0t → u/dnap123]

This was/is my feeling too. My 970 was getting seriously long in the tooth, but I just couldn't afford/justify any of the new cards. Until I can turn RT on and easily see a really noticeable difference in-motion at >60fps it's not something I'm likely to enable, I'd just prefer higher res/faster refresh. So I object to the extra cost for RT even though raster perf is improved too.

Luckily a mate with more free cash just upgraded to a 4080 and gave me his old 1080Ti, so that should keep me going for a bit.

[u/[deleted] → u/JSoi]

[account superficially suppressed with no recourse by /r/Romania mods & Reddit admins]

[u/robertodylant → u/[deleted]]

Coming from someone who has only ever owned Nvidia cards, and currently has a 3080. AMD is looking better and better if they can keep pace with Nvidia's rasterization performance.

Ray Tracing looks amazing but it's definitely not something I enable very often, if at all.

[u/RubyReign → u/[deleted]]

Bro... quit regurgitating shit you see on here. AMD is very competitive. Look at this chart. Actually look at it, read the numbers. The difference between some of these direct competitors LITTERALLY 2-8 FPS at 4k and the 7900 was never meant to be a 4090 competitor soo??

Think about that...2 to 8 FPS difference at 4k..with a major price difference. How is that not competitive? If your just afraid to buy AMD or you prefer Nvidia just say that but don't delude yourself with the "AMD isn't Competitive" garbage.

[u/woodleaguer → u/[deleted]]

What are you talking about, the 6750XT is €400 and is better than an rtx 3070. That alone is already a better value prop than this bullshit 4060ti

[u/UdatManav → u/SyCoTiM]

It’s all the bills we give them m8 they get so many every year

[u/justapcguy → u/Devilnutz2651]

At the end of the day.... Nvidia got spoiled during the mining boom. They were probably surprised by how much money they were making, and probably thought, let the "gravy train" continue.

[u/tattoedblues → u/justapcguy]

It’s the same in every industry. They found out how much they can gouge us for rent, cars, food and luxury items. They’ll be goddamned if they reduce prices

[u/342throwaway243 → u/tattoedblues]

I think that's why the fed has decided they are just going to have to send us into a recession to fix things

[u/Effective-Shoe-648 → u/342throwaway243]

Let it come. I'm getting burned out from all the expert solutions that feels more like putting band-aids on a failing dike. Everything's gouged, nothing is affordable anymore. Companies need to go into red to stop raking their massive profits.

[u/thepulloutmethod → u/Effective-Shoe-648]

I don't disagree with you, but a recession comes with "real world" problems that should not be trivialized. I'm not talking about not being able to afford luxury goods. I'm talking about homelessness, unemployment, crime, delayed retirement, delayed medical procedures, poor education, etc.etc.

[u/FloppyDingo24 → u/thepulloutmethod]

We literally have all of those problems now. Horribly too. Not just a little. A lot.

[u/CheshireC4t → u/FloppyDingo24]

Yeah, and they would get many many times worse under a recession...

[u/SosowacGuy → u/Effective-Shoe-648]

Problem is the rich only get richer in recessions too

[u/Effective-Shoe-648 → u/SosowacGuy]

I have no hopes that the wealth redistribution will happen pacifically. I don't want a recession but at this point I think we are all just waiting for things to get worse before they get better.

[u/Playwithme408 → u/342throwaway243]

Exactly

[u/mattbag1 → u/tattoedblues]

And I think that’s why we are starting to see the lay offs unfortunately

[u/DataMeister1 → u/tattoedblues]

I wonder if they had metrics on how many normal consumers actually purchased GPUs at those inflated prices.

Perhaps it was all blended together and in reality the consumer market was only purchasing about a 10th of their normal sales (i.e. only the rich gamers) and the miners bought all the rest.

Now with very few miners buying upgrades the high priced cards are only selling to that relatively small percentage of rich gamers wanting to upgrade.

[u/Sexyvette07 → u/justapcguy]

That's exactly what happened. Someone said that Nvidia was even bragging about it at one of their investor conferences.

[u/phatrice → u/justapcguy]

They are still getting spoiled, now by AI. The whole ChatGPT stuff runs on super expensive Nvidia stuff and so far all tied to Nvidia stuff due to dependency on SDKs etc.

[u/testical_ → u/Devilnutz2651]

https://preview.redd.it/cyiyuo9k0dda1.jpeg?width=1479&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=07ccb74c7ec04bf69af91cb1a81983f845d877d2

[u/Honda_TypeR → u/Devilnutz2651]

What they are smoking is insane levels of pandemic/crypto boom success.

https://www.investopedia.com/biggest-companies-in-the-world-by-market-cap-5212784

Last year they were 8th largest company in the world now based on market cap. At one brief window in 2021 they were at rank 5 in the world (thanks to crypto boom). While just for a point of comparison, Intel (is rank 112) and AMD (is rank 122) just for perspective just how out of whack this tech hardware company became compared to them.

As of 2023 they are slowly dropping down the ranks https://companiesmarketcap.com/

Look at their 2021 market cap, especially compared to all the rest of their history before it. Insane right? https://companiesmarketcap.com/nvidia/marketcap/

Also no surprise their revenue is higher than it has ever been the last 2 years too. https://companiesmarketcap.com/nvidia/revenue/

This is why they got so fuckin spoiled rotten. They won the lotto a few years straight and now expect to be handed all this cash like they deserve more of it.

It's insane how far they rose up the ranks throughout the pandemic, but now they think the only way to maintain that status is price gouge (that will only drive their sales down further). Unless there is another crypto boom that uses their cards they just need to get used to the good ole days. Sadly, I think it's gonna take a few-several years for the video card market to fully correct itself again. Especially since prices have been jumped up since RTX cards came out a few gens back and prices have not stopped climbing yet.

[u/FartsMusically → u/Honda_TypeR]

My next card will be amd. I don't like monopolies and I'm an older gamer. I'm usually buying hardware for modern features and support anyway, not framerates.

Doom 2, TF2 and GameCube games look just as good as good on a 6650xt as they do a 4070.

[u/ALittleFishNamedOzil → u/FartsMusically]

They definitely will and you can almost buy two 6650xt for the price of one 4070, that extra cost is basically the rest of the computer

[u/Powered_by_bots → u/Devilnutz2651]

AI Meth

[u/seipher2234 → u/Powered_by_bots]

Snowcrash

[u/CoreRipper → u/Devilnutz2651]

I've never smoked and I rarely drink...but I have to say, I have to get me whatever they're taking. Must be something really good. Because they aren't just out to lunch with their pricing, they're out of this universe. With all the issues with 40 series, they still ask the question, "Why aren't people buying our stuff?" Its a puzzle, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in an enigma.

[u/Ok_World_8819 → u/Devilnutz2651]

DLSS Ultra Performance cocaine and frame generation flavored e-cigars.

[u/The-Foo]

RTX3070 performance… for the price of an RTX3070.

[u/belacscole → u/The-Foo]

*Tested using DLSS 3.0

[u/Mekky3D → u/belacscole]

In a handful of very specific games.

[u/Xenon-Hacks → u/Mekky3D]

Localized entirely within your kitchen!?

[u/kyle123real → u/Mekky3D]

using an I5 5th gen

[u/DDman70 → u/kyle123real]

Actually?

[u/LongJumpingBalls → u/belacscole]

Dlss 3.0 unlocked with the RT upgrade pack.

[u/Magnetic_Reaper → u/The-Foo]

Just wait for the rtx5050. 4060ti performance for under 500.

[u/LilFunyunz → u/Magnetic_Reaper]

I swear that's actually their plan, LOOK ITS THE SAME PERFORMANCE PER DOLLAR YOU ARENT GETTING RIPPED OFF lmao

[u/gbushprogs → u/Magnetic_Reaper]

Under 500 in 2022 dollars. That'll be an easy $650.

[u/postvolta → u/The-Foo]

These were my exact thoughts, like my 3070 was £469 like 2 years ago what the fuck are you talking about nvidia

[u/kohour → u/postvolta]

B-but fake AI sludge frames? You want them right? Your fps number will be bigger!

[u/Morrorbrr → u/kohour]

*on very few games

[u/DataMeister1 → u/The-Foo]

But you get a bigger number. So that's something.

[u/Iirkola → u/DataMeister1]

I wonder how much would it cost me to repaint the card and make it say RTX 5090ti, probably far less

[u/adkio → u/DataMeister1]

30+70 =40 + 60

[u/LB-- → u/DataMeister1]

Well, does it also have AV1 decode/encode support?

[u/not_old_redditor → u/The-Foo]

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

[u/The-Foo → u/not_old_redditor]

[u/lippoper → u/The-Foo]

I laughed out loud. Thank you 😂

[u/GrahamPhisher]

I'd be expecting it offer 3080 performance, 3060 TI to 3070 is only a small bump in performance.

[u/rbnsky → u/GrahamPhisher]

doesnt the 4070ti deliver pretty much 3080 performance?

[u/kingwhocares → u/rbnsky]

22%~ improvement in performance for 15% increase in price over the 3080 (less if you take away 10GB VRAM limiting factors for certain games). Normally, this is generational level improvement and not 2 node shrink (from Samsung 8nm to TSMC refined 5nm).

[u/Tehu-Tehu → u/rbnsky]

more like 3090, sometimes even 3090ti

[u/NorthenLeigonare → u/Tehu-Tehu]

Too many numbers!!!!

[u/GrahamPhisher → u/rbnsky]

I know nothing about the 40 series, but if that's true, that's pretty lame. Do the 40 series produce less heat or demand less power? (That's something I'd actually pay for.)

[u/SHiNeyey → u/GrahamPhisher]

I have a 4080, and it uses way less power than a 3090ti.

[u/[deleted] → u/rbnsky]

no, its on par with a 3090ti

[u/Old_Mill → u/[deleted]]

It's debatable. Depends on what you're talking about.

[u/TheyDidLizFilthy → u/[deleted]]

is this true?

[u/freakingwilly]

Remember kids, $499 is less than $500!

I'd rather buy a 3070 instead... come on EVGA B-Stock!

[u/FatFunkey → u/freakingwilly]

The irony being a 3070 FE was $499

[u/KniteMonkey → u/FatFunkey]

I felt stupid lucky securing a 3070 FE.... 1.5 years after launch LOL

[u/DarkLord55_ → u/KniteMonkey]

https://preview.redd.it/kgs1ldk8adda1.jpeg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=b38626faa2cdd7c9796f436c73ac77ba53b0890c

Just got mine recently

[u/KniteMonkey → u/DarkLord55_]

Nice, its a gorgeous card, and hilariously small. I am amused how much smaller it is than my outgoing Gigabyte 2070 Super. At the same time... it doesn't feel like much of an upgrade from my old 2070 Super but I really just wanted an FE card.

My favorite thing about it.... it is so small and light and I secured it in a way that I have REVERSE GPU sage LOL.

[u/TheBeijingKing → u/KniteMonkey]

Yeah that was me too. I have really enjoyed the card over the years and it’s one of those things where I got it at retail price and I felt like I got away with robbery. I haven’t been able to justify a new one because of it.

[u/lordskeng → u/TheBeijingKing]

Ditto. Managed to snag a $500 Asus Dual OC 3070 in the UK and paid pretty low import costs. They were retailing for the equivalent of $1000 in the UK at that time. For a short window during lockdown, I felt there could be a god.

[u/Evil_Rogers → u/FatFunkey]

That sounds so glorious haha. I'll take two please XD

[u/Ok_World_8819 → u/freakingwilly]

More insane is that the 3060Ti was on par with a 2080 Super. Just shows how bad things have gotten

[u/Mimical → u/Ok_World_8819]

TBH the 30 series was utterly bananas. The 3060 is a freaking beast of a card (even if we ignore the ti) and the 3080 had such an insane performance per dollar value at 1440p/4k that was a unicorn product for the high end performance crowd. Most people called it years ago but Nvidia learned their lesson, they will never release a card that has 80-90% the performance of the flagship GPU at like 60% the price.

[u/boringestnickname → u/Mimical]

The 3000 series was good (I have several of the cards), but they still weren't cheap. Compared to the 2000 series, sure, but that was overpriced as hell.

I mean, it's like living in a world full of Nigel Tufnals. It doesn't matter that the numbering goes to 11. The top card is still the top card. They were $500 or less for ages.

The issue here is marketing and market placement. Even selling a graphics card for around the price of a console is insane, but now we're inching in on god damn used car prices. It's pure insanity.

Some of this is nVIDIA trying to mix business and gaming cards into the same product, but when the price/performance ratio is so overtly skewed at the top end, and the performance is so underwhelming, how are they even remotely thinking this is going to work?

It boggles the mind.

There is no sanity in this space anymore.

[u/Danishmeat → u/Mimical]

The 30 series was slightly above average, but it looked amazing compared to Turing

[u/Tank_7 → u/freakingwilly]

That's what I did, just went ahead and got a EVGA 3070 not too soon after their announcement to pull out.

[u/boostedbastid]

The 3060 TI has nearly 3070 performance for $400... 🤔

[u/Ok_World_8819 → u/boostedbastid]

Literally such a terrible move. NVIDIA is doing some heavy crack if they think a 4060Ti should be on the level of a 3070. Back in 2020 the 3060Ti was on par with a 2080 Super and was well ahead of the 2070 Super.

[u/Legend5V → u/Ok_World_8819]

And what kind of jump is

4070 Ti = 3090/3090 Ti

4070 = 3080 Ti

4060 Ti = 3070??

[u/tukatu0 → u/Legend5V]

In reality the 4070 will be at or a bit below 3080. 3080ti is still 4070ti territory, about 10-13% less.

The 4070ti has 7680 shader units. With the 4070 expected to have 5888. Its not absolute of course but it means the uplift from 4070 to 4070ti should be around 30% regardless. Or 23% less perf from 4070ti ~> 4070.

[u/I_am_Shayde → u/Legend5V]

Its not even a jump anymore. A mere hop.

[u/seanc6441 → u/I_am_Shayde]

Or a skip. As in skip this generation.

[u/Danishmeat → u/Legend5V]

The 3080ti is only like 5% slower than 4070ti. A 4070 will be 3080 performance

[u/AdmiralSkippy → u/Ok_World_8819]

I don't understand how all the TI units are coming out already. Don't they normally do a regular series, then a year later release the TI versions?

[u/MumrikDK → u/AdmiralSkippy]

I think your perception there is the marketing strategy. "Ti, so it's the upgraded version!"

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Nvidia at some point decided on a new name for mid-gen upgrades.

[u/AdmiralSkippy → u/MumrikDK]

Probably something stupid like EX.

[u/techno156 → u/AdmiralSkippy]

NVidia 3060 Ti PRO

[u/MetalingusMike → u/techno156]

RTXXL 5060 Ti PRO MAX.

[u/Pixels222 → u/MetalingusMike]

512gb edition

[u/feartehsquirtle → u/Pixels222]

and Knuckle$

[u/Compgeak → u/MumrikDK]

I hated the super naming scheme but it would kinda make sense for a gen refresh at this point.

[u/CrunchyRanch → u/AdmiralSkippy]

Their just old 12gb 4080's stripped down

[u/Reasonabledwarf → u/AdmiralSkippy]

I can't think of many component manufacturers who have stuck with a naming scheme that actually means anything except "we want these products to be priced this way and perceived this way, so that's what the name is and you'll have to deal with it."

[u/ComeScoglio]

I'm laughing already, come, join the popcorn club.

Heeey, 'member when a midrange system used to cost 750-1000 USD? Yeeess, we 'member

[u/BoxAhFox → u/ComeScoglio]

My midrange is $600, i member

[u/ComeScoglio → u/BoxAhFox]

Mmm 'member berries. When did you build your midranger? 'Member Chewbacca again?

[u/BoxAhFox → u/ComeScoglio]

4months ago, we member these things

[u/Hubert_LeGrange → u/BoxAhFox]

I member my 1080ti back in 2017 costing me £720. The good ol' days. (Thought it was pricey then! At least it is still chugging along)

[u/DataMeister1 → u/Hubert_LeGrange]

My 970 cost $350.

[u/BigFartRelease → u/DataMeister1]

Don't forget that in the 1000 series, released only a year later, the 1060 cost $100 less for better performance, because innovation didn't come at a premium.

[u/innociv → u/BigFartRelease]

It was near impossible to find a 1060 for under $300 for the first year...

So really only $50 cheaper on a new gen wasn't a big leap unless you're talking about the 3GB.

[u/Hiawoofa → u/Hubert_LeGrange]

I paid around $600-$700 for my 1080Ti back then. It still holds up. Definitely the last high end GPU that had a good value proposition. $1200+ for a GPU that isn't Titan-class is just stupid. But Nvidia has to find their price ceiling because consumers keep buying the cards.

I made a post about this during the pandemic, but they're price gouging. Pure and simple. It is only greed and corporate need to increase profits.

The price increase started way before the pandemic/supply chain had impact so that isn't the reason (even though they claimed miners were a contributing factor), and inflation isn't 200% last I checked so that isn't it. They're going to push prices until they see sales drop enough. But that will be their ceiling. Prices aren't going to come back down, they're just going to level off eventually.

[u/Ooshbala → u/ComeScoglio]

I'm looking to build right now and the lowest I've been able to price what I would consider mid range, one step above the next gen consoles is 1,300.

[u/Rowan_Bird → u/ComeScoglio]

Top end GPUs were like $349 iirc

[u/_MilkThistle → u/Rowan_Bird]

I bought my 770 for ~$329

Edit: removed "ti"

[u/P_ZERO_ → u/_MilkThistle]

That’s cheap for a card that doesn’t exist

[u/_MilkThistle → u/P_ZERO_]

Oops! My bad. I was thinking of my 1080ti while talking about my 770

[u/P_ZERO_ → u/_MilkThistle]

No worries just messing with you. I assumed you meant 780 ti anyway.

[u/tabascodinosaur → u/ComeScoglio]

Still does. You can do 6700XT + 12600K comfortably in that ballpark and that's quite fast. Just because the high end is expanding doesn't mean the midrange is in a bad place. The low end is what's suffering right now, but midrange is great at the current time.

[u/Michistar71 → u/tabascodinosaur]

True i dont know what the ppl arr crying about. Amd gave us the 6700xt that is enough or even overkill for most ppls needs as gpu. But all complain about the prices... 4k is not for mainstream and 1440p is great with a gpu for about 400-500 that was the 1070 aswell so ...

[u/TomatoMasterRace]

wow rtx 3070 performance for...

​

the msrp of a rtx 3070!

[u/gwumpybutt → u/TomatoMasterRace]

How are the laptops? The improvements are oft smaller (heat).

My 1660ti laptop's got issues. I ordered a 3070 laptop (45% off). Anyone got a reason to wait? Are the CPUs good?

[u/dustojnikhummer → u/gwumpybutt]

I ordered a 3070 laptop (45% off)

I really hope you bought Lenovo

[u/Feeling-Common5020]

But RTX 3070 already gives a RTX3070 performance for less than $500.

[u/ZeroTheTyrant → u/Feeling-Common5020]

Try telling that to Nvidia.

[u/Special_Direction_71]

Smh you can get a 3070 for 350$ on the used market

[u/KlutzyAd5729 → u/Special_Direction_71]

Got mine for $299

[u/Special_Direction_71 → u/KlutzyAd5729]

Love to see it!!

[u/KlutzyAd5729 → u/Special_Direction_71]

Not rven the best deal I got lol, i got 32gb of 3600 ram for $7

[u/stalechips → u/KlutzyAd5729]

Jokes on you. I download my RAM for free.

[u/kyle123real → u/stalechips]

illegally PIRATING ram?! 😠

[u/DDman70 → u/kyle123real]

Do you use adblock? Cause that's pirating too /s

[u/DragonDai → u/Special_Direction_71]

I got a brand new 3070 for 450 from Walmart...this isn't the deal nVidea thinks it is.

[u/DeeVect]

Wasn't the 3070 msrp $499?

[u/TheBoeingKid → u/DeeVect]

Yup, over 2 years ago as well. This should be $350 AFTER adjusting for inflation AND Nvidia's corporate greed

[u/RandomGuy622170 → u/TheBoeingKid]

Funny enough, that's exactly what the 2060 went for. Then the 3060 crept up to $400, and now we're staring at $500. For a class of card that was initially in the $200-250 range.

[u/ferdzs0 → u/RandomGuy622170]

And the 20 series already increased its price because of RTX, for little performance gains.

The only cards in the RTX series that are not huge money grabs are the early 30 series releases, because they haven’t yet accounted for the whole crypto nonsense that was taking over.

[u/MedicalSchoolStudent]

So they are going to sell a rebadged 3070 for the same price 2 years later?

[u/Immediate-Win-3043 → u/MedicalSchoolStudent]

And claim 2x performance to boot!

[u/rowdy_1c]

It took me 10 seconds to find an RTX 3070 for $300 on craigslist

[u/Jorge6574]

What the fuck is up with NVIDIA

[u/Saneless → u/Jorge6574]

Gr€€d

[u/dindinnn]

You dumb fuckers better not buy a xx60 card for 500 bucks

[u/Pleb-SoBayed]

Remember folks this is american pricing. In australia itll cost like 800-1200 aud

[u/Ewanar → u/Pleb-SoBayed]

The commonwealth pricing runs strong here in Canada too.

I always salivate for a brief second before doing the currency conversion, then return to crying.

[u/EthoAdz → u/Pleb-SoBayed]

"If spending that much money, may as well get the 4090!"

Worst advice ever. I just checked local Australian prices and the 4090 is $3500+

What a joke.

[u/shermX]

So... its a 6700XT with better raytracing for a 100$ premium?

Sounds greeeeeeeat!

[u/pixelkingliam → u/shermX]

obviously worth it! Raytracing is used super often by gamers and is a major selling point ! /s

[u/Michistar71 → u/pixelkingliam]

Yeah about 15 % use rt xD BIG selling point still for many idiots out there.

[u/Epicurus1 → u/shermX]

Will it even have 12gb of Vram like a 6700?

[u/MeggaMortY → u/Epicurus1]

It's nVidia you're talking about. Of course no. Instead, it will come with two potatos strapped on one side!

[u/SameDonkey1360]

Isn’t the 3070 $500 msrp

[u/Immediate-Win-3043 → u/SameDonkey1360]

Yes and the 3060ti is 399 and the 3070 is only ~10% faster

Therefore the new 4060 ti will be $10 per percent improvement. Lol what even.

[u/IncomingZangarang]

Ideally it would offer better than 3070 Ti/almost 3080 performance or so. The 3060 Ti was as fast as the 2080 Super with less TDP. With used 3070s around $330-350, this would be a hard sell. We’re lacking in the budget category for new gen. A 60 class card shouldn’t be near $500

[u/DataMeister1 → u/IncomingZangarang]

Maybe Nvidia is going to start filling out the '20 '30' and '40 models with actual gaming GPUs that work better than an integrated GPU.

[u/HexFire03 → u/DataMeister1]

I've built many budget rigs and 30 class GPUs will regularly out perform integrated graphics even if they are dogshit

[u/Apprehensive-Read989]

MSRP of $499? So it will actually sell for $550 to $650. What a rip off.

[u/kinglokilord]

We already have a 4060ti.

I think Nvidia called it the "4070ti".

[u/RandomGuy622170]

Calling bullshit. But even if it is remotely true, all it means is that we've literally gone nowhere in price/performance with NVIDIA.

[u/Magnetic_Reaper → u/RandomGuy622170]

But Jensen Huang literally said that that is what was happening.

[u/H0esAintLoyal → u/Magnetic_Reaper]

He can go choke on these cards

[u/onlyslightlybiased → u/RandomGuy622170]

Either there's going to be hilarious gaps in Nvidia pricing or this is true unfortunately, 4070 will realistically come in $599-$699, while offering 3080 performance. At best we'd probably see the 4060ti at $449 with 3070 performance at this rate.

Honestly, the sooner amd just starts printing NAVI 33 cards, the better

[u/Erasmus_Tycho]

"for less than $500" oh wow! Thank you Nvidia!

[u/B0swell_D0ddler]

What the fuck? If I wanted that I'd just get the 3070.

[u/EatingMySistersPussy]

"For less than 500$"

4060 Ti 4GB 499$

4060 Ti 8GB 599$

[u/All0uttaBubblegum]

Why are the ‘Ti’ variants the launch SKU’s? The new 4070Ti should’ve been a regular 4070. The gap between it and the 4080 is massive

[u/tryingto-blendin → u/All0uttaBubblegum]

NVIDIA has been doing it backwards lately, launching the more expensive GPU’s first and then offering the budget options later. Probably to try and get some FOMO and leveraging peoples impatience. In my opinion they’re also trying to leverage the inflated market.

[u/Pancake_Mix_00]

Laughing in $500 6800XT

[u/TrainerBubbly2497]

Well the 4070ti was a giant failure so can't get my hopes up

[u/Elon-Vietch]

What other kind of performance would you expect out of a 4060? Anything worse then a 3070 would just be pointless.

[u/RandomGuy622170 → u/Elon-Vietch]

There was a time when next gen midrange cards got you the performance of the last generation's flagship, or pretty damn close to it. Most recent example would be the 2060 FE. At $350 MSRP, it exceeded the 1070 Ti (priced at $400+) and got within spitting distance of the 1080, which went for $500+ at the time. That's how you make progress at the midrange, and that's what ppl are reasonably expecting with a 4060. That it allegedly only matches a base 3070, at the same price point no less, means it's decidedly a failure.

[u/praemialaudi → u/RandomGuy622170]

3070 was pretty close to a 2080ti as well. Nvidia claimed it was faster, as do most aggregate benchmarks, but it's basically neck and neck...

[u/velocity37 → u/RandomGuy622170]

the 1080, which went for $500+ at the time

Worth noting that the 1080 had some sales that got it to around $400. I paid $420 in April 2017 and apparently the next month Newegg had a deal for $390.

Which maybe is a way of saying, there was a time when graphics cards went on sale for less than MSRP.

[u/Aid2Fade]

DOA

[u/Yamama77]

Say what you will about the 40 series but they sure make the shelfs on shops look good and full.

[u/ihatelag01]

3070 is what, 10-15% better on average than the 3060 Ti?

So they're saying they're not even trying with the 60 series and (possibly) lower this time around. The logic this generation really is "Get a 4090 or fuck off".

[u/Atecep]

So a 3070 for the price of a 3070.

[u/Aggravating_Ad_3962]

$500 dollars is going to turn in $1500 real quick

[u/KoeiNL]

Let's make that $250-300 and I might be interested. Otherwise just call it a 4070, because that is what it is.

[u/Bredtaking]

My 3060ti also offers 3070 performance for less than 500 bucks. What kind of bullshit is going on nvidia?

[u/SaltedRouge]

Performance of a 3070*

*dlss 3.0 on performance mode and RT off compared to stock 3070

[u/Th3Docter]

This feels is similar to what they said about the 4070ti and the 3090 lol

[u/rmpumper]

3060Ti already offered close to 3070 performance for $400 two years ago (if you were able to get one directly from nvidia).

[u/Swanesang]

Lol. “Our latest generation of gpus will give you the performance of a 3070 for the price of the 3070. please buy it.”

[u/DrDyngbeng]

I'll keep using my 3060 ti until it knows how to do it's own taxes, thank you very much. I sold my entire family on the black market for that card.

[u/thewizerd]

Not surprised , that's what we call progression Nvidia?

[u/bimopradana]

Goodluck with those DDLS 3 gimmick 🤘

[u/Kratos_6038]

Nvidia in a few years...1050ti level performance for $1000

[u/Mental_Medium3988]

I got 3070 level performance for under $500 with this one weird trick, gpu manufacturers hate it.

[u/Cpt_Soban]

4060

3070 performance

.... What... Just buy a 3070 then?

[u/HaroldF155]

Why are they selling GPUs based on performance like what miners would do

[u/tablepennywad]

Oh look! I can wait 3 years for advancements to pay the same price for same performance!