r/pcmasterrace • u/adkio 10870k | 4060ti | 1.25TB nVME • Jan 22 '23
i can smell the despair Meme/Macro
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u/alsenan |5950X|3090|64GB@3200MHz|Neo G9 Jan 22 '23
All of you are pissed at edge, while you should be pissed that they installed TikTok.
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u/GiorgioShadows Jan 22 '23
Did they get tik tok installed on all the windows PCs now?
That's a no no for me
Better remove that from your PC as fast as you can
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u/voidsrus 2920x/2080 Jan 22 '23
mine came with it. my last pc had it auto installed at some point
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u/Modest_Ubermensch Linux Jan 23 '23
Sure it wasn't the manufacturer? I doubt MS cares one way or another is tiktok is installed on a base OS install.
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u/Cube00 Jan 23 '23
It's part of windows as a placeholder tile in the start menu, along with Candy Crush and Disney+
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u/DanTheMan827 13700K, 6900XT, 32GB RAM, 2TB WD Black, 8TB HDD, all the FPS! Jan 23 '23
It’s not installed until you open it.
The only thing “installed” is a shortcut more-less
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u/Khao8 ಠ⌣ಠ Jan 23 '23
They still are a garbage company for installing shortcuts like these
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u/sadGlacies Jan 22 '23
Iirc its not really installed, those are just powershell commands to install the apps. After you run them they actually install it. Still sucks tho, windows is already too bloated without that.
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u/Frikandelneuker PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
Dear diary
Today I learned what iirc means
If I Recall Correctly
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u/CrazyWS Jan 22 '23
You made me check, prick lol
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u/TheSigma3 Ryzen 5 3600 | MSI B450I | RTX 3080 FE | Jan 22 '23
It was in my start menu when I upgraded to 11. Along with shit like ESPN news
Oh and then Microsoft Edge shortcut that appears on my desktop every few days
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u/Firevee Jan 22 '23
Right click -> properties -> hide icon
Doesn't respawn If it's just hidden.
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u/TheSigma3 Ryzen 5 3600 | MSI B450I | RTX 3080 FE | Jan 22 '23
Eh I just switched it all off in regedit
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u/ApokalypseCow Jan 23 '23
Here are the instructions how for everyone else.
I did this yesterday, as well as uninstalled Edge... the old ways using the installer and some flags doesn't work anymore, gotta use a tool like Revo Uninstaller to get rid of it since the last couple weeks.
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u/chocotripchip Jan 22 '23
It's not a joke, it was installed on my fresh windows 11 installation last week
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u/Pure_Television725 Jan 23 '23
It's actually a problem for IT folks who provision government computers, since it's banned on all government equipment. Any time you create a new local account on Windows 10/11 Pro, it adds all that bloat ware and spyware back. (It doesn't do that for Enterprise, as far as I know.)
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u/Rubes2525 Jan 23 '23
Honestly, Edge is just better IE, which was default on Windows for literally decades. All those other crapware apps and ad popups enabled by default are 1000x worse than Edge.
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u/VanGarrett Jan 23 '23
I really miss the days when Microsoft made an OS that didn't nag you to use their stuff, and just presented you with everything you needed in the most intuitive way they could figure out. Windows 95 didn't care if you used Internet Explorer or Netscape. It didn't try to hide the Network Adapter settings from you. The Control Panel wasn't written in fucking HTML. You sure as hell weren't concerned that there was going to be an advertisement on the Start menu.
Microsoft can do better than they've been doing. They need to dust off all of that Ergonomics research they did back in the 90s, and get back to what gave them the near monopoly they've enjoyed for the last 20+ years.
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u/LuckyLuke220303 Jan 23 '23
I hate how Windows as become ad riddled bloatware. my father paid over 100€ for my license, you'd think in return you'd get a somewhat decent product.
The latest asshole move they pulled was to just put an egde icon on my desktop (I'm wandering if this is illegal under EU monopoly/competition laws).
Anyway, Im definitely switching to Linux as soon as Rainbow 6 adds support.
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u/PapaMikeyTV Garuda Linux | 2070 SUPER Jan 23 '23
Hey you should post on this. > ubisoft forum post for linux support < be the 1000th comment
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u/KittyKatty278 Intel Core i5-1135g7 8GB RAM IGPU 1080p OLED +1050p LCD Jan 23 '23
Anyway, Im definitely switching to Linux as soon as Rainbow 6 adds support.
The only reason I still use Windows is because of Game Support. If Linux just supported all the same Games as Windows I'd probably have already switched.
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u/yes19991 M1 Mac mini Jan 23 '23
I was going to bring up Sticky Keys as a nag from old Windows, but I think modern versions still have it, with the same 90s dialog box.
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u/SeaOfCum R73700x@4.3ghz/3070/16gb3200/750w Jan 22 '23
I used Firefox before it was cool 😤
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u/ddeths_ R5 5600x | GTX 1660 Jan 22 '23
i used it before it was cool and stopped before it was cool 😤
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u/LEEVI_2007_2 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 | GeForce GTX 1660 OC 6GB Jan 22 '23
i used firefox before it was cool, stopped before it was cool and started using it again now that its cool 😤
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u/Fineus Jan 22 '23
This is the way.
Firefox was the shit back in Winamp's day, then it got kinda bloated and slow so Chrome became the one.
Then in the background it's quietly gotten good again and - thanks to Chrome's privacy nonsense - it's ready to be that ugly duckling that is actually pretty hot now.
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u/SmooveTits Jan 22 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
I used Firefox when it was $14.99 at Best Buy, came in an actual box with a disk in it and was called Netscape Navigator.
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u/RockleyBob 5900x | 3080 ti | 32 gb | G3223Q Jan 22 '23
I did too, lol. But there seems to have been a massive shift in sentiment towards it recently and I couldn't be happier about that.
It wasn't that long ago that every mention of Firefox was met with a slew of people nitpicking over it.
Really glad to see it become the 'cool' option. We should absolutely be supporting organizations like Mozilla, and more user share for them means that a non-profit will have more say when new specs are discussed.
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u/ApokalypseCow Jan 23 '23
I've been a FF user since the early 2000s, never switched away from it to Chrome like so many did, I just wish I could recapture the old TabMixPlus customization I used to have.
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u/5t3v321 Jan 22 '23
Bro please trust me bro it runs on chromium now bro trust me you will like it bro just one bing search come on try it bro its already installed bro come on please just use edge bro please
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u/xANDREWx12x 5800X | 3080 | 32GB RAM Jan 22 '23
Fine, one Bing search on Edge.
Oh sick bro, that's hella tight, I swear you won't regret it bro. What do you wanna search?
"Firefox install"
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u/Elon61 11700k / 1080 ti / 64gb Jan 22 '23
Just wait until Bing includes chatGPT…
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u/Drakayne PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
If it's a good implementation, i will consider using it
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u/DanTheMan827 13700K, 6900XT, 32GB RAM, 2TB WD Black, 8TB HDD, all the FPS! Jan 23 '23
You don’t even need to search for Firefox anymore…
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u/SneakySnk Laptop Jan 23 '23
wait does windows has a packet manager now?
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u/DanTheMan827 13700K, 6900XT, 32GB RAM, 2TB WD Black, 8TB HDD, all the FPS! Jan 23 '23
Yes, yes it does
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u/GL1TCH3D 7950X - X670E-Pro - 3080ti - 64GB RAM - 6TB NVMe Jan 23 '23
Just wait until Microsoft reskins edge under the name “Ferifox” and direct all searches on bing to their own renamed browser
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u/DudeValenzetti Arch BTW; Ryzen 7 2700X, Sapphire RX Vega 64, 16GB@3200MHz DDR4 Jan 22 '23
it runs on chromium now
that's one more reason not to use it, I'm not paying into monopolies
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u/antonius22 Jan 23 '23
I will say this. Bing is really good at finding porn and piracy links.
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u/yes19991 M1 Mac mini Jan 23 '23
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u/Seth_Gecko Jan 22 '23
I don't get it. I've had zero issues with Edge. It's easy to change the default search to google...
What exactly is everyone's issue(s) with edge?
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u/Pure_Television725 Jan 23 '23
It's Chromium based, which creates a monopoly for Google. Firefox is the only mainstream browser that might compete and it's losing badly.
Also Microsoft's marketing attempts to push people towards Edge and Bing to gather and sell their personal data comes off as desperate and disgusting and honestly pisses me off.
Windows is already extremely invasive of privacy, and the way they word things is misleading and should be illegal. For example, when you start Edge for the first time on a PC, there's a box that's automatically ticked, "Make Microsoft Edge more useful to you." But if you click on the link to explain what that means, you're giving them permission to harvest a disgusting amount of personal information about you. It's the subterfuge that's got me fed up more than anything.
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u/Thebestamiba Ryzen 9 5950x | 5700xt Jan 23 '23
I can only speak for myself, so mine are what follows.
- It's pushed onto you and they try to keep it as default.
- You know their company does not respect your privacy
- They don't implement anything to respect your privacy
- You cannot fully remove it
- It's another Chrome browser
- Immediate distrust of anything from a megacorp like them.
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u/wackywavingarmgumby PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
It's pushed onto you and they try to keep it as default.
Not-so-fun fact: web links from inside the Windows Settings app are hard-coded to launch Edge and ignore your preferred browser.
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u/riesendulli Jan 23 '23
Which triggers browser updates and puts a new shortcut on your desktop if you should’ve deleted it beforehand
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u/brit_motown Jan 23 '23
This is my main problem with it then it sits in memory hogging resources when you think you have closed it .what it's doing there is anyone's guess
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u/forresthopkinsa Proxmox Jan 23 '23
This is the result of a long-term guerilla marketing campaign happening on this sub
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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
It's like we all forgot how to manually type in a search engines website
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u/ArtDoes Jan 22 '23
Not going to use software that repeatedly reinstalls itself. Microsoft literally got sued for a similar issue and just paid the fees instead of addressing the issue of being monopolistic. I removed edge immediately after I saw them add it to my desktop and install new edge software without me even restarting my computer and it re-re-installed the next day. It's very tiresome having to jump through hoops to use what I paid for the way I want to and then repeatedly get encouraged to use their software instead of a competitor.
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u/LuckyLuke220303 Jan 23 '23
if you're fed up with this shit, the only solution in the long run is to switch to Linux or Mac.
For now, you can disable that it always adds the icon to you're desktop. for me, I had to press Windows+R, type msconfig and disable every service, that has Microsoft edge in its name.
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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
I get that Microsoft is pushing edge but...
What is actually bad about it? You're already using windows so the "they're watching me" / telemetry argument is out the window.
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u/Jaibamon Jan 23 '23
It's not a bad browser. Actually is a really good one, and the best one for installing PWAs like Reddit or YouTube.
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Jan 23 '23
I use Edge with Google as my search engine. I really don’t get the hate. It’s not Internet Explorer. I think a lot of people upvoting memes like this never really bothered using Edge.
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u/FrozenPizza07 Laptop Jan 23 '23
And to be honest I think it is the lightest browser. For me it has the lowest cpu usage compared to firefox, chrome and opera, makes it good when playing games that throttles my cpu
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u/Thebombuknow RTX 3060ti FE | 32GB RAM | i7-7700 Jan 23 '23
Yeah, as far as CPU and RAM usage go, it's actually the best browser there is. It's the main thing that's made me consider using it, it has excellent performance.
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u/Jess_S13 Jan 23 '23
I use it for work because you can have your AD profile signed in so I can access work functions remotely. It's a totally decent browser other than on every install you have to turn off all the features you dislike because they default to on. I on personal systems have used Firefox forever and don't see me leaving it anytime soon but unlike IE Edge its perfectly fine.
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u/Gonji89 AMD Ryzen 5 2600X // AMD Radeon RX580 8Gb Jan 23 '23
I’ve used it for about three years now. If I’m going to have all of my passwords saved in my browser I’m gonna do it in the one connected with my OS. I even use the Microsoft Authenticator on my phone. Who actually gives a shit if Microsoft sees me go to transgirl-on-girl subreddits or read about the subjective effects of various psychedelic substances? I don’t.
That being said… I just use TOR, DuckDuckGo, and a VPN for looking at stuff I want to keep private.
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u/KFCNyanCat AMD FX-8320 3.5Ghz|AMD Radeon R7-250|8GB RAM|Steam: Kfcnyancat Jan 23 '23
If you ask me it's no worse than Chrome, it's a fork of that, but Chrome is bad too.
I think a lot of it is just lingering "Microsoft browser bad" from the IE days.
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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
Chrome is bad because Google scrapes so much data.
Chromium in of itself isn't bad. It's just a browser.
So what does Microsoft do with edge that makes it so bad?
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u/anapoe Jan 23 '23
It's got better side tabs support than anything else I've used, which is 80% of what matters for me. I'm still salty about Chrome removing side tabs.
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u/HG2321 Jan 23 '23
Yeah, I think a lot of it is just a hangover from the bad old days of Internet Explorer, people use that here as yet another way to karma farm from those who've never actually used Edge.
With my latest PC I decided why not, I'll give Edge a shot because of how much it was pushing me. Yeah, that's kinda shitty, I know, but whatever. It's totally fine, had no issues with it at all.
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u/SilkyTaint Jan 22 '23
I just made the edge icon "hidden". I'm hoping it doesn't come back.
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u/1Crimson1 PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
It keeps coming back after Windows updates.
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u/SilkyTaint Jan 22 '23
Sad
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u/1Crimson1 PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
Yup, Windows users don't really get a choice out of the box. You literally have to jump through hoops via group policy, powershell commands, and registry tweaks to get the desired results. Even then, I've seen Windows updates override these settings.
At my old job, the only way to get these settings to stick was to completely disable Windows updates in group policy and use a third party Windows update manager so that I had some degree of control on what gets updates.
Ultimately it's too much of a pain in the ass to deal with on a regular basis. None of my personal PCs run Windows because of this lack of user consideration for control over THEIR machines. Fuck Microsoft.
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u/Flat-Nectarine-8746 | RTX 3080 Ti | i7 13700K | 32Gb DDR5 Jan 22 '23
I mean the new edge is way better than chrome I can’t complain.
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u/im_not_called_steve Jan 22 '23
While I will admit it's better than chrome I refuse to use it out of spite for Microsoft trying to force me to
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u/TigreBSO Desktop Jan 22 '23
This isn't an excuse for it to act like a virus.
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u/JesusFromMexic PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
Like a virus? What do you mean exactly?
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u/VortexDestroyer99 R5 5500 | A2000 | 32GB 3600mhz Jan 22 '23
Windows added it back to everyone’s computer last update, kinda annoying tbh.
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u/Lunatic3k 5900X | RTX3080 12G | 32 GB Jan 22 '23
And not just once, it popped up on mine 3 or 4 times this week.
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u/Alexlam24 PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
It keeps appearing on my desktop everytime I turn my computer on even if I remove it
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u/byscuit i9 10850K RTX 2070s Jan 22 '23
It was never gone dude. They literally just regenerated the desktop icon during a Windows update... Edge is necessary for the OS, it's the backup/default HTML handler
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u/naufalap 5600, 6600, 16 ram Jan 22 '23
but restoring desktop shortcut is never necessary
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u/werther595 Gigabyte A7 K1: 5800H, 3060 (130W), Headphones Jan 22 '23
And even if you set something else as your default browser, search bar results still launch in Edge
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u/cromblepallet Jan 22 '23
Yup. Even gave it its own extension (.edge) that you can't change the default on
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u/Solocle Jan 22 '23
There are applications you can install that handle the special protocol and forward it to your default browser.
Far more work than it should be, though.
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u/TigreBSO Desktop Jan 22 '23
It just pops into your pc without your permission and it's hard to get rid of it once it does
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u/WVPhinfan Jan 22 '23
I dunno I switched to edge and like it more
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u/hockeymass http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197964284808 Jan 22 '23
I don’t have a problem with Edge as a browser, I have a problem with Chromium as an engine and I also have a problem with Windows popping an Edge shortcut onto my desktop every time I reboot my computer unless I do a registry edit to stop it.
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u/OctoFloofy Desktop Jan 23 '23
Thats so odd, that doesn't happen to me. Why is it different for everyone?
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u/Polyarmourous Jan 22 '23
After alternating Chrome and Edge usage for a while I noticed how much smoother Edge was, switched and never looked back. Microsoft is much better at making applications than Google this shouldn't even be an argument.
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u/kleiner_weigold01 Laptop Jan 22 '23
It is a good browser. I mean, if you compare it to internet explorer it is great. But ads are so annoying and this is way more important for me than the slight increase in speed.
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Jan 22 '23
? Wut.
Just get an ad blocker. You can install chrome addons in edge.
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u/Zipa7 PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
Just get an ad blocker. You can install chrome addons in edge.
The issue with that is Google is changing the way extensions work in Chromium which Edge and every other browser that isn't Firefox uses. Said change is going to severely limit Ad blockers like uBlock Origin from functioning fully like they do currently.
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u/k1ll3rM GTX 980, I7 6700k, 16 GB DDR4 3600 MHz Jan 22 '23
Vivaldi said they're going to do their best to keep supporting it with their version of chromium
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u/PrinceZuzu09 Jan 22 '23
Bruh, wtf is with you guys? These are all trash search engines. Just use netscape navigator, it’s the superior browser
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u/HeartyMapple Jan 22 '23
Ah the weekly reminder of “Firefox good, edge bad”
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u/Dreamerlax R7 5800X/RTX 3060 Ti/16GB RAM Jan 23 '23
Yep.
Here's a hot take here but Firefox evangelists are pretty annoying.
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u/aurichio Hackintosh Jan 23 '23
same with Linux users, I use Linux regularly but goddamn the user base likes to be the vegans of the internet, same with Firefox users.
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u/mrw1986 Specs/Imgur here Jan 22 '23
Controversial opinion, but Edge runs significantly smoother for me with less RAM/CPU usage than Firefox. This is across 10 different PCs of varying configurations so it definitely isn't a one-off scenario.
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u/Flamefang92 Jan 22 '23
Probably because it’s optimized better. I started using Edge as a secondary browser and it’s clearly less resource intensive than both Chrome and Firefox. There are plenty of things to dislike about Microsoft, but Edge isn’t one of them.
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u/Sisyphus4242 Jan 22 '23
I mean...sure, but with the average rigs people are rocking on this sub, are those resources being used really an issue?
If I want a lite browser because of resource concerns I'll go with Opera GX and set hard limits on usage
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u/OnyxDesigns R7 5700X| Sapphire RX 6700XT | 32GB RAM Jan 22 '23
I mean I have a relatively good PC and Edge runs noticeably better/faster than Firefox. I really want to like FF but it's just too slow :(
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u/goose_pls Ryzen 5 5600 / RTX 3060 Jan 22 '23
"Hey, grandma. Do you want this ESPN and TikTok app left on your start menu?"
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u/NetSurfer156 Windows for games, MacOS for work Jan 22 '23
TBH I disagree. I do think Firefox is a superior browser yes, but Edge is by no means bad. IMO if you want a Chromium browser that’s light on resources and speedy, it’s the best one around
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u/ValorantDanishblunt Jan 23 '23
While firefox is my main browser since way before it was cool (2006), I honeslty think edge is one of the best chromium based browsers out there, it's lightweight and fast. I prefer it over chrome big time.
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u/WebMaka PCs and SBCs evurwhurr! Jan 22 '23
Edge comes in handy for using as an alternate browser for cases where you may want to access a single site with more than one user account without having to play the logout-login game. Leave your main browser set to log into your main account, and Edge logged into an alt.
I like to use Edge to log into my Google work account for remote access to the pics on my work phone (which is a Pixel), while Firefox logs into my personal account.
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u/AreYouABadfishToo_ Jan 22 '23
I use containers in Firefox to log into different accounts on the same website
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u/yflhx Jan 22 '23
Let me introduce you to Firefox Containers! It's official Mozilla addon, and does exactly what you need.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/
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u/TrainsAreForTreedom Jan 23 '23
you can have multiple Google accounts on one instance and switch by changing the u/0 in the url to u/1
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u/Mario-OrganHarvester Jan 22 '23
Im not gonna sugarcoat it
setup --uninstall --force-uninstall --system-level
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Am I the only one who gets sick of all these fanboyish "fIReFoX iS bEsT" posts? We don't have any adults here?
Firefox is not the best, take it and get over it! In fact, no browser is the best. Most of you most likely don't even have half the skills and years of IT experience I do yet you scream "Firefox!!!".
I'm fine with Edge and I've tried many browsers before. I have Adguard installed on the side in my PC and mobile and I need nothing else.
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u/Decryptables PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
But… but.. I need to have a sense of superiority in what browser I use to make up for my otherwise dull and meaningless life that I spend on the internet!
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u/ImSpeedRacing Ryzen 7 5800x | 32gb | 3080 Ti Jan 23 '23
I actually enjoy using edge. I have no issues with it at all.
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u/thatcrazydogbosco 5800X3D | X570 Aorus Master | RTX 4090 TUF OC | AW3423DWF Jan 22 '23
I really like Firefox for desktop, but Firefox on mobile falls short in my opinion.
No pull to refresh Not a fan of tab management UI not friendly
I want to commit to Firefox but I have a hard time as I want to use it both on my PC and on my Android phone. Just can't stand the mobile app.
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Jan 22 '23
Btw, I thought adblockers were supposed to be useless in 2023 after Chrome’s update? I’m still using uBlock Origin and it’s working fine.
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u/Lorkenz Win11 | i9-9900K | RTX 3080ti | 32GB 3600mhz Jan 23 '23
Everything was postponed yet again to a "date to be determined" aka 2024 probably. Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/chrome-delays-plan-to-limit-ad-blockers-new-timeline-coming-in-march/
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u/Zipa7 PC Master Race Jan 22 '23
Microsoft can get back to me about using Edge when they actually attempt to go against Google fucking over extensions with manifest v3.
Until then it's Firefox all the way.
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u/mikee8989 Jan 22 '23
The other day edge literally wouldn't let me download Librewolf under the guise of "protecting my security" or something. You know they really don't want us using a truely secure browser.
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u/DLMorrigan Jan 22 '23
I just got revo uninstaller and somehow it was able to get rid of not just edge. But also game bar, Xbox integration, get help, and like 10 other Microsoft apps I was irritated at. Please give it a try
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u/EJohns1004 Jan 22 '23
The sad thing is that I know for a fact that Edge is not THAT BAD, but there's no way in hell that I would ever use it.
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u/tonycandance Jan 23 '23
Edge is unironically the best chromium based browser for windows and it’s not even close
Firefox still better tho
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u/ponieslovekittens Jan 23 '23
I've actually been using Edge for the past month or two after a windows resinstall.
It hasn't annoyed me enough to install something else.
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u/saibot_Ra Jan 23 '23
I swear all these edge update posts are a Net designed for msoft to be able to see what the newest work-around is, then they can circumvent it...
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u/AlphaFPS1 PC Master Race Jan 23 '23
Ngl been using edge for almost 2 years now with literally no complaints. I actually really prefer it over other browsers.
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u/Kataroku Jan 23 '23
Microsoft product lifecycle:
- Wait for users to get comfortable with using said product.
- Let interns mess with the UI and remove the features and options you use on a daily basis.
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u/NayutaxKai Jan 23 '23
Not only that, they've resorted to putting the shortcut on my desktop every time.
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u/ShoeGod420 Jan 23 '23
I have edge, chrome and Firefox and honestly edge is the fastest out of the 3 but I still don't use it. Firefox all the way ✊
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u/Bluey634 Jan 23 '23
Edge is like a wooden pickaxe: It’s the thing that let you obtain a better version
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u/RandonBrando Jan 22 '23
The way it pleads with you as you download and install any other browser is almost breakup level