r/sports Cornell Oct 07 '22

Denver receiver KJ Hamler slamming his helmet into the ground after QB Russell Wilson overlooks him being wide-open on the game's final play Football

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u/cre0223 Oct 07 '22

Russ looks lost in this offense

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

I think we were just blind and everyone knew Russ was on the decline and swindled his way into 250 million

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u/TravasaurusRex Oct 07 '22

This is what I believe. I was baffled seeing the excitement in Denver when they received Russ for that contract.

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

I was

I didn't see the decline people were talking about, considering he had probably his best year in 2020.

I don't think he declined, I think it's Hackett being the play caller. Only way to find out is let someone else do it.

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u/WoodDRebal Seattle Seahawks Oct 07 '22

Something happened vs the Cardinals to Russ in 2020, one hit just didn't seem right. It completely detailed his MVP season to the point Pete ended the Let Russ Cook campaign and started running the ball again. Us in Washington knew he wasn't playing right. Struggled to see the field, through more picks in his career. We hoped the offseason would be enough to get himself right and calibrated. 2021 was a slow start and we wanted to see him pick it up a little more play with some urgency. He got hurt, came back way before he was ready, and failed to show any improvements until the last game of the season. Something we didn't think was a big deal but was mentioned pretty frequently was the death of his mental coach. Apparently he was a super good friend of Russ, and kept him level headed, helped him stay focused, get over a bad game. it was a bigger deal than we could have expected

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u/thousand7734 Oct 07 '22

I'm no NFL expert but it looks like this play was designed so that the slot receiver rubbed the corner on Hamler to get him separation, which is exactly what happened and Wilson didn't even look.

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u/who519 Oct 07 '22

As you can see from the video above it's not the play call, he just completely ignored the goal of the play. It was a pick route designed to go to Hamler. It wasn't the play call that had him blindly heave a ball up in the air earlier in the game either. He just isn't playing well. He was behind and late to almost every receiver the entire night. Blame Hackett all you want, he didn't have these issues with Rodgers.

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

Sure, there's some blame on Russ but its like 75% playcall as the issue. I mean, Hackett had to hire a game manager because he's had issue lol

It was a bad throw that resulted in a pick in the end zone but why are they calling a passing play?? Run the ball, you either get a first down to end the game, if not kick a fg to go up by 6. Indy never came close to scoring a TD all game

he didn't have these issues with Rodgers.

That's because it's Rodgers.. lol and quite frankly, he didn't do shit in Buffalo or Jacksonville - besides the AFC championship appearance

The same shit happened with Adam Gase. Got OC behind Manning for two years in Denver and completely shit the bed as a Head Coach

So it would be easy to look good if you got behind a top 5 QB of all time lol

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u/who519 Oct 07 '22

Are you kidding? He turned Blake Bortles into a viable NFL QB...BLAKE BORTLES...As soon as he was fired, the jags fell to pieces.

Were you watching a different game than me? Wilson consistently made bad throws, and when he wasn't making bad throws he was making horrendous throws. With the exception of a few flashes in previous games. He has stunk up the stadium consistently. The coach can't throw the passes for you.

I think a lot of fans are hoping it is Hackett because they know Wilson's contract, but the sad truth is, it is him man. Defense is kicking ass, running game is solid and the receivers despite some key drops are pretty damn good too. Wilson is playing like shit.

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 08 '22

Are you kidding? He turned Blake Bortles into a viable NFL QB...BLAKE BORTLES...

That '17 Jags team was powered by the run game and the defense. Bortles didn't do or needed to do much and quite frankly it was his worst full season statistically. So no lol

As soon as he was fired, the jags fell to pieces.

uh, no again. He was fired after their 11th game (3-8) in '18 because they went back to 2016 kind of trash.

I think a lot of fans are hoping it is Hackett because they know Wilson's contract, but the sad truth is, it is him man. Defense is kicking ass, running game is solid and the receivers despite some key drops are pretty damn good too. Wilson is playing like shit.

I would bet my life's savings it's on Hackett a lot more than it is on Wilson. Ya he made some bad throws but just look at Hackett's passing rankings as OC. TERRIBLE, even his first year in Green Bay was average.

The only reason he has this HC job, like I said already, is because he got put behind Rodgers, the same shit with Adam Gase when he was behind Manning for 2 years lol

So, Hackett needs to give up play calling this week. 10 days to do it and be ready for the Chargers on Monday Night.

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u/JoeyBird9 Oct 07 '22

Ehh it’s more people only saw Russ in prime time and shit and didn’t have the whole picture of his style

He’s not good as a volume passer just isn’t cut out for it he looks at the field top to bottom instead of bottom to top which yeah it can lead to a lot of chuck plays but even more sacks and set backs

Their is a reason why geno is throwing more than Russ did

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u/udubdavid Oct 07 '22

I think Russ could be a good QB under the right offense. The problem is that Russ thinks he's Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in the sense that he can be successful by commanding the offense himself. He's obviously not at their level.

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u/maxwellcawfeehaus Oct 07 '22

Agree! Russ hasn’t looked good for a couple years now.

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u/cre0223 Oct 07 '22

I hope you ate wrong bit i haven't seen anything to convince otherwise

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u/Cheftyler1980 Oct 07 '22

As a Chiefs fan, married to a Broncos fan, I was very confused by the choice (as was my wife). I thought with Horse Face having been removed from any real football responsibility that maybe the team would suck less.

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

I mean I got it. He wanted out after 2020 season (a career year all around), got injured during last season and didn't want to play fully for these reasons BUT who knows now.

I do believe majority of the blame is on Hackett. He had to hire a game manager ffs lol So now he just needs to give the play calling to someone else. That way we can narrow down the issue

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u/maggotshero Oct 07 '22

I think it's more Russ than a LOT of Denver fans want to believe. Hackett sucks, but I think it's more 60/40 than 75/25

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u/ArcticFox59 Oct 07 '22

Was the general consensus that Denver won this trade or it was at least even-stevens?

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u/MiningElf Oct 07 '22

The mascot in the background is the best part of the video.

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u/Tone90210_ Oct 07 '22

Let's RIDE 😂

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u/PeterJAwesome Oct 07 '22

Get used to it broncos fans … Russ is too short for that sort of quick slant action.

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u/MotokoBlaugrana Oct 07 '22

I SAW THE GUY WIDE OPEN! All the way from Colombia! (I don't even watch american football, I catch it by accident, I had never seen an extra time in one of those games so I stayed to watch).

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u/RedDotOrFeather Oct 07 '22

Parcero-vision

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u/FightIslandNative Oct 07 '22

I like this story

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u/thegooddoctor84 Atlanta Braves Oct 07 '22

Not sure who is worse, Russ at QB or the Broncos head coach.

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u/Jigga94 Oct 07 '22

Por que no los dos

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

It could but only one way to find out, let someone else call the plays instead of Hackett. If Russ plays better, then you got your answer

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u/Alfakennyone Denver Broncos Oct 07 '22

Only way to find out, let someone else playcall. If Russ plays better, then you got your answer

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u/TwoDrinkDave Oct 07 '22

Can they both be the worst?

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u/zeez1011 Oct 07 '22

I assume anyone who started him reacted the same way.

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u/Stratiform Oct 07 '22

Yup. Literally slammed both of my fists into the couch. The Chihuahua woke up and came to snuggle me to see what was wrong. I'm like, sorry pup. My fantasy QB is worse at throwing the ball than you are (she sometimes plays fetch with herself, cutest thing...).

Anyway, let me look at my bench. Oh hey, Tua. Sigh. Get well soon!

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u/cti0323 Oct 07 '22

I really am starting to get concerned it Russ was a system QB. It’s early and that can very easily change with familiarity, but man he has not looked the same without Pete.

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u/FightIslandNative Oct 07 '22

Considering how good Geno looks right now this theory may be accurate

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u/Zealousideal-Ad-7357 Oct 07 '22

I’ll be honest- I’m just a Friday morning QB over here, but Hamler wasn’t that open… he was briefly open for a split second while Russ made his primary read on the opposite side of the field. By the time Hamler was waving, he wasn’t really open.

I’m also not really defending Russ, he’s looked like shit, but so have the Broncs receivers to a lesser extent.

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u/RenoGuy76 Oct 07 '22

Another Friday morning QB here…

A split second is often all that is given and QBs need to take advantage. And really, this is far more than a split second. Looks as if he had two reads on the right and ignored the left side entirely.

Guy was WIDE open for ten yards!!

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u/DSOTMAnimals Oct 07 '22

Yea, in the NFL this is wide open. This a throw every QB should be able to read and make. This is on Russ.

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u/utrangerbob Oct 07 '22

Dude didn't even look right at all. His 1st read got locked up making the cut and he just stared it down the whole time. Plenty of time in that pocket.

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u/Zealousideal-Ad-7357 Oct 07 '22

This offense is a full on mess, but ya- Russ is short- this is just one play, but I’ve seen his preference for windows he can see through to make throws… and he did that here. It’s also kinda shit play design to have the RB break for a route to the side that he did… it clogged up an opportunity for a bit of a ‘touch throw’ to Hamler once he was at/over the goal line… but then again- you don’t know how the backers are gonna react. I still contend that Hamler’s only really WIDE open for the 2 & 3 strides before the goal line… but Russ had already moved on… not like he stared it down and missed it.

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u/Hunt_James Oct 07 '22

I think the bigger problem is Russell was looking left the entire play and had already committed to who he was going to in his head instead of reading the field.

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u/Nevergonnapost866 Oct 07 '22

It seems like the play is designed to set a pick for Hamler, and it worked and he was open at first read time. I hear people saying Russ ignored where his first read was supposed to be (Hamler) to try to score on Gilmore. Sort of to get back at him for the pick in the Super Bowl when the Hawks should have ran the ball. I can see truth to that after all the Seahawks fans complaining he plays “Russball” and is more concerned about self accolades than team success but that’s just my two sense.

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u/Environmental_Wing61 Oct 07 '22

Are you talking about the interception in the Super Bowl against the Patriots? That was Malcolm Butler not Gilmore.

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u/Nevergonnapost866 Oct 07 '22

I was from a comment I read in here and my bad recall. I was mistaken when I said that, thanks for clearing it up.

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u/Zealousideal-Ad-7357 Oct 07 '22

I mean- you’re not wrong about the pick play, but he Kamler’s only really ‘open’ before the end zone and even then, it looks like Russ quickly reads it first and may have decided that d-end was blocking that slants’ line. He then locked in left. I think it’s near impossible to say on this particular play that he clearly missed it, however, I do agree that over his full body of work this year… it’s been 💩

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u/Zealousideal-Ad-7357 Oct 07 '22

It’s tough to tell with these broadcast media angles, cuz they don’t show the full picture going on. After watching several more times, It does look like Hamler was the primary read, but the quick slant may not have been open based on lineman positioning, since that’s a low angle throw. He actually appears to be more open in the end zone than I initially thought, but again, with the zoomed in camera, it’s hard to tell. Given where they are on the field, almost all the throws for the routes run (no back corner flag/fade routes) need to be low-angle throws that have clear lines. There’s not much opportunity to dime one in there.

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u/LudwigBuiltzmann Oct 08 '22

Being open before the end zone was fine. This was on a 4th and 1. You don't NEED a touchdown, you just need 1 yard. Hamler could have easily got that based off what we see here and given them 4 more chances to try to score.

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u/Rick_e_bobby Oct 07 '22

I don’t think he is used to the mile high air yet, must be affecting his brain

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u/MasterAce16 Oct 07 '22

Russ looks overdone, don't think we should have let him cook for so long...

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u/Pengui6668 Oct 07 '22

Russ is fucking WASHED.

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u/dirtybird131 Oct 07 '22

Bro that's the same play he got picked off on in the SB, dude had such incredible PTSD he couldn't even look to his right on this play call

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u/StealieErrl Oct 07 '22

Let Russ Cook

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u/motobecane666 Oct 07 '22

Honestly looks like it would have gotten intercepted

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u/Cactuszach Oct 07 '22

I know we’re only starting the 5th week of the season, and I hate to say it, but both Rus and Aaron Rogers look washed. Brady hasn’t been fantastic either.

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u/NHDraven Oct 07 '22

He's going through a divorce. Big distraction.

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u/CerberusC24 Oct 07 '22

That's literally his own fault though. He should have just stayed retired

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u/NHDraven Oct 07 '22

Nobody said it isn't his fault. He didn't want to stop playing. They both drew lines in the sand and didn't want to compromise. Football has been that guy's whole life though, I'm not sure what she expected.

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u/LiquorTsunami Oct 07 '22

in real time he was open for like 3/10 of a second...

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u/skindarklikemytint Oct 07 '22

That’s really all you need

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u/LiquorTsunami Oct 08 '22

yes but if you glance to the other side for less than half a second you miss the opportunity. It's a reasonable miss right? Not like he was jumping up and down in the far corner wide wide open

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u/candyman9777 Green Bay Packers Oct 09 '22

nah the play clearly meant to go to him. He should have been the first read, but Russ never even looked at him

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u/hauntedsaint Oct 07 '22

Russ sux Geno is top G

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u/VadersScorchedPenis Oct 07 '22

His eyes were following Sutton the whole time. Not sure if he’s done this all the time but he did that most of the game. He followed the one receiver he wanted to throw it to most of the game.

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u/BruntLIVEz Oct 08 '22

Jerry Rice would never do this, he’s not in college. You are NOT priority.

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u/Sooperballz Buffalo Bills Oct 08 '22

Could of hit him twice.

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u/Swuttament Oct 07 '22

KJ Hamler is the biggest unknown diva in the NFL

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u/Jigga94 Oct 07 '22

He'd be more well known if his QB had eyes and could hit him for the GW TD